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20+ years ago I was told by a powerful man in his 60's that all that has happened, would happen and why. You know it, I know it, and there ain't a danged thing anybody can do about it.
I thought he was just being paranoid and step by step it is all happening just the way he told me.

This was during the time of the strong middle class when everybody had good paying jobs they thought would never go away. Back when there was a real difference between Republicans and Democrats. Back before everything went to China.
So fine, don't believe me, but believe what you have seen for yourself. It is only going to get worse. I just try to keep it going for my small part of this world.

I wish I never met that man.

I'm pretty sure Victor knows what of what I speak.

Eisenhower warned us about this, but I don't think he seaw quite as far as today. We've got a crazy military-industrial-corporate complex.

Check my post again, I added to it. By the way, I am a Conservative and I feel it is the best way I can make a difference in my corner of this New World Order. Ike warned us, Bush-one warned us but he was one who saw it as a benefit for mankind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU

The conservative base didn't like him.. Him leaving might galvanize the conservative base rather than crumble it...

The last thing they need would be more inmates running the asylum. You can't win much support off of ultra right ideals in today's day and age.

The same could be said for the left, but Bernie Sanders builds steam off of left ideals.

The less the government does just means the less they can screw it up. Shut it down! I won't frown!

so you're willing to let vets miss disability payments and gi bill funding for a shut down?

If you recall the last shutdown, the only things that closed were the EPA (95% of employees furloughed), and veteran memorials. Payments are still made. Everyone that works for the government tend to get a vacation that's backpaid.

To me, it's better to shut down the government than give the president everything he wants because he threatens a veto. People might realize they don't need this bloated government.

Pretty sure that's totally wrong (800k employees were furloughed, 1.3M were required to report to work without payment). The estimated cost of the shutdown (to the US economy) was ~$20 billion. Godman Sach's estimated that it decreased economy growth by 0.3% in a year where it grew ~2% total.

You should maybe read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013



In which case, you're not really saving any money. So why bother to do it in the first place?

j/c

The budget should be a clean bill of its own accord.

Adding in other things to the budget has nothing to do with it. Neither party should be adding riders to a budget bill to try to gain politically from it.

Both parties will lose but the people will know who submarined it with such a rider.

Even if there's a chance to stop the slaughter and harvesting of the body parts of the innocent?
You don't mind your tax dollars paying for that?

The Planed Parenthood topic is SO TOXIC right now ; I think both side would be doing themselves a favor and set it aside for another day ; IE Debate and discussion , No ?

you know that's wrong, right?

Yep, brain fart. Up yours 40.

I'm with you on Sanders. Term limits ARE also necessary.

Good thing you could "recall" it better.

I know I generalized, but really, how much did the federal government shut down affect you? It didn't touch me one bit.

Boehner is getting forced out because he couldn't keep promises made to the people. If veteran services don't get paid, that's because vets have been determined as expendable by the federal government. They should shut down other parts of the government instead. The obummer administration decided to close parks and veteran memorials, most of which have little staffing.

i didn't get paid.

you realize that right? i had bills to pay. that affected a lot of us. so yes, it affected us soldiers quite a bit.

maybe you should just stop. you don't know what you're talking about.

You should reread what I wrote again. You didn't get paid because they determined you and other vets to be expendable or non-essential. I'd bet you GAO workers still get paid. During the Clinton admin, my wife was a government worker, and she got a 4 week vacation with back pay. To top the foolishness off, everyone that got furloughed was able to apply for government assistance, like food stamps, unemployment, and welfare.

You should be mad at the fed for determining you and other vets to be non-essential.

At some point we have to stop holding people hostage. From the federal government to state and local governments you see it all the time...

"If we don't get everything we want, we will have to fire 20% of the police force."

"If you delay to fight our trillions in spending, vets will suffer."

"If you won't pass this gigantic spending bill, we will have to lay off teachers."

This tactic has become all too common, create a giant spending bill, then attach some highly charged emotional consequences to it such that anybody who opposes it looks like a heartless douche-bag... this is no way to achieve any measure of fiscal responsibility. It's extortion and it's not working for the people.

sorry, but i'm not willing to see a paycheck go because the congress wants to shut down the government for planned parenthood.

abortion is already legal. planned parenthood only performs 3% of it's operations on abortions, which have already proven to not cost tax payers anything unless it's rape or incest.

so it's not holding anybody hostage, it's me and other vets or active duty soldiers losing money over BS.

then maybe they should negotiate some kind of agreement everybody can live with... like our government is supposed to... instead of going with the aforementioned hostage situation where some deserving group is going to have to suffer if you don't give in to all of our demands.

negotiate with what?

it's legal. abortion is legal. it doesn't matter anybody's feelings, or wants. it's legal.

the fact that the GOP is willing to shut down the government on stuff like this is pathetic. i wouldn't negotiate a damn thing.

I agree. And so does Boehner.


Visibly exasperated, Boehner said his top accomplishments as speaker – including the first major entitlement reform in decades, and deficit reduction – “all were voted against by my most conservative members because it wasn’t good enough. Really? This is the part I really don’t understand.
“Our founders didn’t want some parliamentary system where if you won the majority you got to do whatever you wanted,” he added. “They wanted this long, slow process. And so change comes slowly. And obviously too slowly for some.”
Asked if his critics on the right are unrealistic, Boehner exclaimed, “Absolutely they’re unrealistic!”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/john-boehner-gop-false-prophets-214120#ixzz3n3eat1CE

What about congress passing a real budget instead of this continuing resolution crap? Do your job, pass a budget or shut it all down until you do. Kicking the can down the road is good for no one.

Negotiate with anything.... reduce spending. Dude, it shows up on my FB wall almost every week.

"Republicans won't vote to increase spending on the environment, they hate the planet"

"Republicans won't vote to increase teacher pay, they hate teachers."

"Republicans won't vote to increase welfare payments, they hate poor people and black people."

"Republicans won't vote to increase spending on healthcare, they want people to die in the streets."

If you keep voting to increase spending on everything you might one day end up with a $20 trillion debt... oh wait....

My point is not about the fetus part sellers at Planned Parenthood, my point is about government in general... if you won't vote to spend a fortune on everything, then you are heartless... who cares where the money is coming from right?

So you don't believe the budget should be a clean bill? I mean do you actually believe that shutting down planned parenthood is not simply a political ploy being attached to the budget bill?

I'm not saying both parties don't pull stunts like this, because they do. But are you actually a proponent of threatening to close the government by adding a rider to the budget that threatens to close the government over planned parenthood?

Funding for PP is part of the budget, isn't it?

There's a difference in making a caveat that if you don't ban funding spending on a certain part of the budget you're going to close down the government.

You're holding the government up for ransom.

I have no problem with people wishing to stop funding for planned parenthood. That's a part of their beliefs and I feel they have every right to fight it in a political manner. But when you try to hold up the entire budget of our nation upon personal beliefs, which are currently legal in the U.S., then I think you have taken things too far.

You're willing to injure the lives of our veterans, elderly and many others in our country over the issue of planned parenthood. But people will make it sound okay because of their belief system.

If the House and Senate pass a budget that defunds PP, and the President either vetoes it, or refuses to sign it, then who is stalling the government?

The government can easily pass an emergency bill to allow for certain funding to go on without missing a beat. They do so all the time.

Yes, they kick the can down the road often.