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Actually the way it went... Farmer was qualified enough to to use a smart phone.

Yes, if I recall we were scared that Miami was going to take him before we made him our GM.

yes he was, basically considered an up and comer who's time had come.

There are NO guarantees.. We could get Bill Pollian in his prime and he could still fail as a GM.

One of the biggest problems with not winning is people (read that as fans) want change. As if change for the sake of change will do anything that would be guaranteed.

Look at Philly. Bring in Kelly, a couple of years of promise and this year, they are struggling with a QB that some on here wanted us to go after.

the Jets bring in Rex Ryan a number of years back, have some damn fine success. Failure starts to happen and he shuffles off to Buffalo where he's having some success now, but for how long is the question.

Change for the sake of change is kinda not worth a lot.

I can see some of the concern over Farmers, but frankly, I like what I see of Pettine and the coaching staff..

Didn't the owner or someone high call Ray, Roy, or some other incorrect name? Miami desperate for a GM at the time and didn't even take the liberty to remember the guys real name? Maybe Dolphins were smarter than some think.

I remember we were worried he might go there.. Rumors and such being what they are. But I don't recall anyone calling him any name other than his.

I don't want firings, I want progress.

We traded from 4 to 9, and then from 9 to 8. If they wanted Mack, they could have drafted him at 4.

Why would you think a team would bounce back if it is filled with the people you described in an earlier post?

Mother of God. You are right. I totally forgot.

This makes Farmer look a lot worse. Although I often say the trade down is not the problem, it's the players taken.

We would all be feeling a lot better about the team if Gilbert and Manziel were at least average.

I think one has to question what was done on the D-line.

We got rid of Reubs, Taylor, Kitchen, and Taylor and replaced them w/Starks, Cooper, Shelton, and Meder.

Thus far, the results have been disappointing.

Rubin and Kitchen are not good players. They are not bad either. They are place holders for when you get more talented players. Starks is the same. Kitchen hasn't been picked up by another team.

Taylor can't play. He is inured.

Meder is a younger, cheaper version of Kitchen.

Shelton is doing his job.

The defensive line is really not the problem. It's the crappy linebackers.

I never liked Taylor, but it was more about where he was drafted.

Personally, I would rather have Reubs, Kitchen, and Winn than either Meder or Cooper. And I know Orchard plays outside, but that guy is pathetic. Was Sheard as bad as he is?

Do you think our defense has improved or regressed? The LBers are the same. The secondary is mostly the same. We replaced Skrine w/Williams. That might be a wash, but as for the rest............I think we have regressed.

I've been pointing out these moves individually for quite some time. They build on one another. We now have some proof as they have played three games.

Not sure how anyone can say that our defensive talent has improved by Farmer's moves this past offseason.

The pass defense was always going to regress. Not many teams finish in the top five in consecutive years. The hope was that run defense would also regress to the mean as teams don't usually finish dead last in run defense in back to back years.

Our pass defense has regressed and our run defense has not improved. That is a major problem.

Dansby is still a positive player, but he is not as good as last year. Armonty Bryant has been very good. Kruger was never good at stopping the run and now he's not getting pressure either. Mingo, Kirksey, Orchard, and Robertson are all sub package players.

I am all for letting Pettine and crew take their lumps and get a new shot next year.

I would tell Farmer to not bother coming back after the suspension is over.

You may have a point here, but do you really think that the talent level has really regressed that much? I'm not quite convinced it has. I'm still very curious as to how much of the poor defensive play is due (if it is) to less direct attention from Pet.

Our pass defense was ALWAYS overrated because teams always can run on us. If you can run on a team, you are going to do it because it will keep the other team's O off the field.

It's such a poor way to quantify the quality of D to look at one (pass) and not the other (run).

People didn't test us AS MUCH through the air because they didn't have to. They got ahead early and maintained their lead by running the ball OR didn't feel they had to pass to catch up because they knew they could gouge us in the run. I will say we did shut down some great WRs though but I've always wondered how good the pass D really would have been if teams had to consistently pass to win games against us.

You always risk losing guys to FA but Sheard, Ward, and Skrine are all better than the guys currently playing their positions... and we haven't upgraded any other positions significantly enough to offset those losses. Plus, Kruger, who I thought played pretty well last year, has been almost invisible so far this year.

Skrine never played as good as Williams has during any three game stretch of his career, ever.

Factoring K'Waun has never played outside corner while Buster did, not sure the point you're trying to make. Outside and inside corners are different. Hence why they love Gaines so much and used their only injured to return, because the kid can play both spots.

JMO, I liked/like both Williams and Buster. I'd select Buster if I had to choose because I know we could slide him to the outside if need be.

The discussion is about losing Buster Skrine and signing Tramon Williams.. not K'waun Williams.

I'm not going to argue how great Tramon Williams is compared to Skrine, I can honestly say I haven't seen it. They signed similar contract values and Skrine is 26 while Williams is 32... so there is that.

Whoops, that's exactly what I get for butting into someone else's discussion.

My bad

Are you saying that you want Farmer to get another draft? This April we will be coming together with another shot at a good number of quality draft picks. I personally do not want Farmer making those picks. I feel really uneasy about the prospect of it.

I'm seeing people want Farmer gone... But what I don't see is names that would replace him...

Is there a Draft guru waiting to arrive that's taking picks in this years Draft that will take us to the Play-offs ?

Denver seems to be built pretty well, we should hire their director of pro personnel. Also, there is this guy who is the assistant to the coaching staff in New England. He wouldn't be a bad hire.

Thanks .. nice to know where to start looking for candidates... will start reading up on them...

Season stats: Jabaal Sheard: 13 pressures, two sack, one QB hit, 10 hurries

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/09/patriots-advanced-stats-jamie-collins-jabaal-sheard-excel-in-pass-rush/

Ahtyba Rubin is really holding down the defensive interior—his 14.8 run stop rate is fifth-best among 4-3 DTs thus far. To provide some context, Mebane finished the year with nine stops, good for a 6.8 run stop rate, 53rd among DTs. This season, Rubin already has eight.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seaha...russell-wilson/

The Jets’ other free agent cornerback is wreaking havoc on offenses

If you want someone to start gushing in the Jets organization, mention Buster Skrine.
The nickel cornerback has become one of the most popular players in the locker room and offices in Jets headquarters thanks to his work ethic and the way he plays.
“Oh, I love Buster, man,” said wide receiver Brandon Marshall. “He’s a stud. I love practicing against him, that’s the main thing. He makes everyone around him better. He only knows one speed. He’s what you call a football player. There’s wide receivers, there’s cornerbacks, there’s quarterbacks, then there’s football players, guys you can just put on the football field and they’re going to make the play, and that’s him.”
The 5-foot-9, 185-pound Skrine does not look intimidating without pads on, with his blond dreadlocks and small frame (for an NFL locker room). But watch him play and you’ll see an aggressive playmaker who is all over the field. Against the Colts on Monday night, Skrine led the team with eight tackles, had a tackle for loss and caused Andrew Luck to throw an interception to Calvin Pryor when he blitzed off the edge.
“Pound for pound, he’s the strongest guy on the team,” defensive coordinator Kacy Rodgers said. “He works hard. When Buster’s in the game, we don’t really worry about him. From our standpoint, this guy is a starter in every aspect. There’s nothing we don’t mind asking him to do. He works hard. He’s tough. He’s professional. We love the guy.”

http://nypost.com/2015/09/24/the-name-that-brings-a-smile-to-anyone-involved-with-the-jets/

we completed downgraded our roster this year. especially on defense.

ugh....

I don't know if this is true. Williams has been playing pretty well. Bryant has been our best linebacker. And my bet is that Shelton is just as good as Rubin.

The players we already had on the roster regressed, specifically Whitner, Kruger, and Haden.

I just wonder if it's Farmer scouting players poorly or Pet coaching them poorly. It's got to be one fo them. Pet had a track record of running a good defense so honestly I think it's Farmer that is screwing up.

The real question is if Farmer is learning from his mistakes and adjusting or is he too full of himself to change?

Shelton is just as good as a injured Rubin you mean?

I would just like to be able to go into next season (not that this one is over) running the same offense and defensive playbooks..

I'm tired of waiting for people to learn new systems to figure out how good they are..

Pick a system (this one) and run it for I dont know.. more than a year.. and it'll be 100 times easier to put people into it..

Especially on offense. Give Manziel all offseason with the same system he has this year so he doesnt have to think about every little thing anymore..

Some people seem to want change for the sake of change, I guess im arguing continuity for the sake of continuity..

We need to get over the idea of a "quick fix" and actually build something.

Good point

I'm with you. Leave the coaches in place. Leave the systems in place. However, I have ZERO faith in Farmer. I honestly don't believe he has a clue when it comes to drafting talent for the NFL.

Firing the GM and not the coach is a horrible idea. You fire the GM you have to fire the coach. The new GM needs to be able to hire his guy.

well farmer did not so.......

And it has worked out so well.

Geez, he's a rookie, has played in Three Games.. Can we give him JUST a little more time please?

yes we can. but right now.......

But Right Now, he's OK,, Not great.. As should be expected...