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I'll take your word for it...

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Here's the deal DC................................

You may be worth 3 mil.
You may only have earned 10% of that through saling weed. Problem is? They take it ALL anyway!


I know a guy who had a trucking business. He had 6 tandem dump trucks running heavy. His wife worked too. Id's say two thirds of their income came honestly.

They lost over a mil.
House,cars,motorcycles,cash and property. EASILY over a mil. It's pretty much a "legalized government raquet". They don't have to prove how you aquired anything. If you are saling weed,they can take it all.

That's one of many reasons I call it "just us" not "justice".

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I don't buy the crap about the government not being able to make money off of weed if it was legal. Just think about how much money they make from taxing alcohol and tobacco products.

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How are you going to tax something that ANYONE can grow in high-grade quality on their own with ease?

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Like I said, people could grow tobacco, brew their own beer, ferment their own wine, etc., but the people that actually do is a very small number. It's just like anyone can grow their own crops. Of course people can do it, but you're over looking the convience factor.

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No, I think you are the one overlooking the convenience factor. A person can grow pot as easily as they can grow tomatoes. Pot would be a commercially sold product, yes...but it wouldn't have much value. Could you see a tomato tax working? No, the majority of people would say 'screw it, I'll grow them myself'. It would still be sold, but a tax would see the revenue descrease much further than with alcohol or tobacco, which is not in the slightest bit convenient or cheap to produce. It's like comparing apples and oranges (both of which are harder to grow than pot ).

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I guess now you can truly call it a "Happy Meal."

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Yep

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Like I said, people could grow tobacco, brew their own beer, ferment their own wine, etc., but the people that actually do is a very small number. It's just like anyone can grow their own crops. Of course people can do it, but you're over looking the convience factor.

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No, I think you are the one overlooking the convenience factor. A person can grow pot as easily as they can grow tomatoes. Pot would be a commercially sold product, yes...but it wouldn't have much value. Could you see a tomato tax working? No, the majority of people would say 'screw it, I'll grow them myself'. It would still be sold, but a tax would see the revenue descrease much further than with alcohol or tobacco, which is not in the slightest bit convenient or cheap to produce. It's like comparing apples and oranges (both of which are harder to grow than pot ).

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Nice argument, phil, but you're just wrong. Sorry.

If pot were legal, there would be a substantial number of farmers that raised it, and sold it. The few users that wanted to grow it themselves would not increase by much at all - after all, you don't just plant it one day, then smoke it the next, do you?

No, if it were legal, it would be sold in stores, and the users, while perhaps growing a few plants here and there, the users would prefer the convenience of getting a quality controlled product at a convenient time (whenever they wanted it) at a fair price.

Plus, making pot legal doesn't mean making it legal to grow it. Here's how it would work: you'd have to be licensed by the fed. gov't. to grow it, and you could only "sale" it (sorry, pit - had to ) to a licensed refiner, if that's what you call it.

Next, it would be available in stores, right next to the alcohol and tobacco, and it would flat out be taxed even higher than the outrageous amount alcohol and tobacco are taxed.

bottom line? More tax revenue for the gov't, less costs in arresting users, prosecuting users, and incarcerating users. More money for the gov't.

While your attempt at proving other wise was honorable, it was wrong - just wrong.

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Next, it would be available in stores, right next to the alcohol and tobacco, and it would flat out be taxed even higher than the outrageous amount alcohol and tobacco are taxed.

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Next, it would be available in stores, right next to the alcohol and tobacco, and it would flat out be taxed even higher than the outrageous amount alcohol and tobacco are taxed.

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If there's an outrageous tax on it, why would I pay that outrageous tax on something I can grow? I mean, growing dope isn't exactly like having a chia pet, but it's not far off...you could grow high grade stuff very easily...the only reason you don't is because it's not legal. If it were legal, everyone would grow or have a friend that grew...it's not like tobacco...I can't plant a tobacco field in my garden or closet.

Of everyone I know who smokes pot on a regular basis, I'd say that 75% of them would begin growth if marijuana were legal. I'd say 25% would go to a store and buy it...but they know someone who knows someone within the 75%...marijuana has thrived as a peer-to-peer business for a long, long time. Once it became legal, why shift? I could pay triple at Rite Aid what the history professor charges me from his garden.

And as far having licensed growers...do you know what the ramifications would be regarding that? Seed laws and such...I wouldn't put it past them to try, but it would be hard for a government that supports the free market so firmly doing something so contradictory...especially when it regards a crop. Take a look at what the people have done in history when the government restricted them from the use of certain seeds.

I think I'm pretty right on.

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I'm glad you think you're pretty right on. Doesn't change the fact that you aren't.

Pot is now illegal. Can't grow it, can't sell it, can't have it, can't use it. Those are the laws.

If the laws were changed - allowing usage, not growing - but usage, from a licensed grower, refiner, and distributor, people wouod abide by it - to the same extent they abide by other laws (meaning some people will break the law no matter what the law is).

Now, if your friends (and you, I'm guessing) were faced with the legal smoking of pot, would they do it? Yes.

If your friends were faced with the legal smoking of pot, but the illegality of growing it (prison time), would they risk growing it, or would they go to the corner store and buy a few, knowing that was perfectly legal, and risk no jail time?

If you answer that your friends would prefer to grow their own, and face jail time, as opposed to going to the store to legally buy it, then your friends are either stoned out of their mind, or stupid.


And as for the "free market"? Let's see, we're talking about taking a banned substance, a substance that is against current laws, and talking about makine it legal within certain constraints...........golly, I don't see a problem with that - I mean, we do it with cigs, (have to be over 18, and now, in ohio, you can't do it anywhere but outside, or in your personally owned vehicle - and soon enough you won't be able to do it your own home if kids are around) - alcohol - a legal product as long as you are 21 or older, and don't drive....................Golly phil, I don't see the problem with "gov't. limiting a free market" - it happens all the time.

I'd love to see pot legalized, so we could tax the hell out of it. And yeah, the users that don't care would still break the law. The user's that cared would buy it legally, and pay the tax.

Your arguments are getting weaker phil.

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If the laws were changed - allowing usage, not growing - but usage, from a licensed grower, refiner, and distributor, people wouod abide by it - to the same extent they abide by other laws (meaning some people will break the law no matter what the law is).

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I mean, we do it with cigs, (have to be over 18, and now, in ohio, you can't do it anywhere but outside, or in your personally owned vehicle - and soon enough you won't be able to do it your own home if kids are around)

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Your arguments are getting weaker phil.

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If the laws were changed - allowing usage, not growing - but usage, from a licensed grower, refiner, and distributor, people wouod abide by it - to the same extent they abide by other laws (meaning some people will break the law no matter what the law is).

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Arch, you're missing the big picture here...think about what you're suggesting. A government monoply on a crop? On a seed? Are you aware that nations have gone to war over this stuff? What you propose is so against the principles of our nation...a government-control and taxation on a seed that grows from the earth? Our Founding Fathers would have collective heart attacks!

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I mean, we do it with cigs, (have to be over 18, and now, in ohio, you can't do it anywhere but outside, or in your personally owned vehicle - and soon enough you won't be able to do it your own home if kids are around)

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None of that equates to the government telling me I can't grow tobacco in my backyard for non-commercial use.

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Your arguments are getting weaker phil.

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You're suggesting a plan that goes against everything our nation was built on...a plan that, if one were so inclined, could be labelled a communist ideal.

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Yeah, you're right - we should keep the stuff illegal, and throw into jail anyone that has it, grows it, or uses it. To be honest, that's what I believe. I was talking in hypotheticals, but you're right. Having the gov't regulate something would be ludicrous.

And further, you're missing the point. No country has gone to war over pot. None. And our forefathers? A heart attack over pot? No, sir, our forefathers would have a heart attack over welfare, yes. Our forefathers would have a heart attack over the number of people in this country that don't work, yet still get by. Our forefathers would have a heart attack over the country not defending itself, and our forefathers would have a heart attack over the 20 some thousan laws pertaining to selling a simple product like cabbage or lettuce, our forefathers would simply die if they knew what the tax code was (as would anyone else that actually knew what it was), our forefathers would have a heart attack if they knew that politicians would promise everything to everyone, and no one would have to work for it (as the dems do now).

Sorry phil, there's a lot in this country that our forefathers would have a heart attack over, but legalizing pot, and regulating it and taxing it, is not one of them.

And, "communist ideal"????????? Please phil. From you, that is laughable. Look back at your posts........you are socialist in almost every respect. Socialist and appeasing, unless it comes to pot, apparently. Oh, and anti christianity.

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And further, you're missing the point. No country has gone to war over pot. None.

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And our forefathers? A heart attack over pot?

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and our forefathers would have a heart attack over the 20 some thousan laws pertaining to selling a simple product like cabbage or lettuce

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And, "communist ideal"????????? Please phil. From you, that is laughable. Look back at your posts........you are socialist in almost every respect.

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He thinks growing pot is easier than growing tomatos............I've never grown it and never will.

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He thinks growing pot is easier than growing tomatos............I've never grown it and never will.

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Hate to break it to you but it is easy as that . The plant will survive like a ...well...a weed . There are tons of variables but basically it is as easy as putting a seed in the ground and forgetting about it . Hydro is another slightly more complicated method but even that is a cake walk. No way the gov. could regulate it hell it is plentiful EVERYWHERE and it is illegal.

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Kind of targeting the wrong people though don't you think? How many young kids have enough money to buy a bunch of burgers and sodas.

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Kids don't drive to the drive up window But soccer moms sure do, and nobody suspects a thing shhhhhhh

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If there's an outrageous tax on it, why would I pay that outrageous tax on something I can grow?

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