DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mike Pettine: There's no rift in Browns' locker room

Then again, you blindly trust the people evaluating the players. I don't. They have made one dumb move after another, especially in regards to the offensive skill positions.

No, I don't *blindly* trust them, but what other option is there.... they should listen willy-nilly to the whims of the fans? lol, THAT would be insanity.

If you don't trust them to evaluate correctly with what they see off the game field, why would it matter in any way for him to get on the game field? Clearly they'd get that wrong, too... so it's all a moo, circular argument.

Don't you know armchair front office people, and armchair coaches know more than the pro's. I mean if all these armchair QB's can out play Aaron Rodgers in real life I am sure they can be better than the GM's and Coaches

I can agree with this with a but.

Yes they are "PRO'S" or at least we hope they are. And your right we shouldn't judge who plays, but can we fairly judge the results of their decisions?

When you judge the RESULTS of their decisions of course you second guess them because the results are lets say lacking. Is that fair?

You can put me down as an arm chair guy, or anyone else as arm chair, but its hard not to say or agree arm chair or not that most if not all of us could do as well as these so called "PRO'S" we got they have pretty much screwed the pooch on nearly everything they have produced to date.

So are the arm chair folks wrong? It sure don't look that way IMO.

Sure! We have the benefit of hindsight...

That's a great point but then again at least in my case I knew what was coming.

Call it a crystal ball if you like (who cares) but when the top brass of your football team says they will minimize the QB spot you know their clueless.

BTW how is that working out?

Or perhaps because they know what they have...or have not.

Again a great point..

Who exactly created that situation BTW?

Multiple events created (or ignored) by multiple people over multiple years. A complex issue...

The NFL. For allowing our team to be ripped from us.

You have been great up until now.

These guys have had multiple opportunities to address the QB issue and have passed on those opportunities. For instance the guy that throttled our defense last weekend.

Hell they PAID someone to evaluate the QB class a year ago and then passed on their recommendation for JF. We have had 4 years worth of 1st round picks in the past 2 years and have 1 starter to show for it and you try to excuse that as if its someone else's fault.

No dude the suspects your looking for are right in front of you, don't ignore it, its to obvious to ignore.

Exactly.. if you don't have a stud QB you better have something else to go with.. Perhaps they knew that..

Sorry but the same clueless people buying the same used car. Frustration on my part towards the members of this board best describes MO when attempting to get fans to see what is right in front of their faces here. SMH

When does the obvious hit home???

Around here NEVER.

Most of you I feel sorry for I truly do. This off season most of you were all cheery and gung hoe now that the reality of what you have watched happen right in front of your faces has hit home, you still ignore it.

We have had plenty of chances to address the QB spot over the course of the 2 past off seasons, what we haven't had was someone who knows how to sort through what's good and bad and nail it.

But to state they had NO chance and ignore what you and they know is ignorance on a level I cannot now nor will I ever endorse or ignore, especially when its so damned obvious.

Do you feel better about yourself when you call me stupid?

When you start out calling people clueless, I immediately tune everything else you say out.

Tell me again, how is it clueless to day, if you don't have a stud QB you better have something else?

j/c

i'm losing my sense of passion for the Browns, which is a sad thing to admit. Sure I'll watch games and log into DTers, but the apathy is setting in. All of the "rifts" and poor decisions since 99 are taking a toll.

If anything, I think the biggest rift is the one between all of us and the actual Browns franchise.

I can definitely see where that would and should strike a cord with you. You may not be their leader but your right up there on the list.

I won't go to the extent to call them clueless, but I would call it blindly optimistic. When people blow the call at drafting a QB with two far better candidates left on the board, they failed at addressing the QB position. That's quite obvious while some posters even go so far as o try to get people to quit mentioning it.

When it was stated plainly by your coaching staff that the goal is to run the ball and stop the run during the off season, yet they have failed miserably at it thus far, that's a clear failure.

When the HC and owner approve of having an all rookie coaching staff, (including your HC), there's obviously nobody around with the experience to right a rudderless ship.

Now I can't say for sure at this stage whether the GM is drafting poor talent overall, or if the coaching staff is so inexperienced it simply lacks the experience to develop young talent, but something is seriously wrong here. They did a swing and a miss on the QB issue, can't accomplish their expressed goals in running the ball or stopping the run and the team looks like it's actually taking a step backwards from last year.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend my eyes are fooling me.

I truly believe that if this team started winning and getting good press, this board would be empty.

Typical,, You can't answer a question, so you turn to insulting.

you still didn't answer this simple question

Tell me again, how is it clueless to say, if you don't have a stud QB you better have something else?

And you fail (as usual) to see that they and they alone created the situation. Yes they must look else where for and answer because they blew it.

Trying to say its hard to nail down and its the cumulative effect of many things is ignorant and or clueless to the reality of their failures and that failure belongs to them ALONE.

In other words their in the mess their in as a result of their inability to make good choices.

This regime has had more resources then any group since our return, more draft picks more cap space, and they where handed better talent on their arrival then anyone to date and yet we still suck. You fail to address that FACT. In favor of playing stupid, but your NOT playing.

Exactly Pitt. It's not a forgone conclusion that they won't turn it around but it don't look good.

I have to admit I knew this was about to happen and still I find myself getting angry I just can't take it anymore and I sure as hell am sick and tired of people telling me how great these guys are when all indicators point to them sucking.

I get the part that sometimes you just have to believe in something because you know its right but I just don't get that feeling with this group just to to many blunders.

Yes we can fairly judge the results of their decisions? However it takes time to make a fair assessment. 11 games into last season and everybody loved Pet. He was a great Coach. 8 games later many people are getting all over him and ave a different opinion of him as a Coach. Why do so many people feel the need to jump the gun about him after 11 games, then jump the gun in the opposite direction after 8 more games? Let this play out and give people time (GM's Coachhes, and players.) Then you can fairly judge the results.

Now for Screwing the pooch on nearly everything so far. Thats also way to early to judge. Has Farmer made some good moves AND some bad moves IMO yes. Has Pet made some good AND bad moves? Once again IMO yes. But OMG people they have only been in charge for 19 freaking games. Give them enough time to get a fair assessment and don't rush to judgement. Farmer and Pet could end up bring great or being bums, but give it time to play out instead of making knee jerk reactions.

You are intimating that our current issues (or lack of success to date) is strictly on the shoulders of PetFarm? Utter nonsense...

I don't know but I will be sure to let you know IF I ever do call you stupid Vers

First 3 years as a head Coach 12-30 Chuck Noll, 20-28 Bill Belichick, Bill Walsh was 8-24 in his first 2 seasons. Tom Landry was 18-46 in his first 5 years as a head Coach. Am I saying Pet and Ray will go onto the same success as these guys NO I can hope they do. Many of the posters around here would have been calling for the GM and the Coaches head on a platter If Noll, Belichick, Landry, or Walsh with the Browns for 2 or even 3 years. SMH

How many of those coaches had a suspended GM, GM?

I'm all for keeping Pettine in place but Farmer is a head scratcher. How do you rise to the level of a GM and not know the rules that govern your position? You know, simple one's like, Thou Shall Not Text to the Sidelines During Games? Or Thou Shall Not Guarantee All Monies to Aging Vets Before They've Played a Down.

This is where I scratch my head. Farmer and Pettine just starting their second year. I agree these guys were handed the best scenario since this club returned. It still wasn't good. Team was capable winning five games. Farmer and Pettine, in their first year, won seven. People beat it down saying the schedule was soft. Are we saying the previous guys, winning a max of five, played hard schedules? Therefore, it is justifiable.

It is stated these guys are falling short making way to many mistakes. How many people, in any business, do you know who are mistake free, better yet minimal, their rookie year? What were you expecting? If Haslam sacks these guys after two years, then it is on him hiring rookies. Just as the players, he must let his FO staff develop. Otherwise, it is no different then the 20 GM/HC combinations this organization saw last 16 years.

There isn't a GM and/or HC who walks in turning a sub par franchise into playoff contenders in a year. There was nothing concrete standing in Berea when Farmer took over. It all is being built from the ground up. You know this to be true. Past several regimes Mangini, Holmgren, and Banner all restructured the front office. FO hasn't even stabilized. How does one expect the pieces below to be a well oiled machine?

who else then?

Haslam.

His decision hire up and comers not keep experience. To me, youth/first timers are spread throughout the organization. I expect Haslam foreseen rough sailing. Otherwise, success at Flying J was done by someone else.

My belief Haslam wants to build a nucleus untainted by outsides influences. FO's are competing just like the players. Haslam thinks he can build something better. Hiring other's cast-offs is not a statement.

That's easy....

We have almost zero to show for the 2013 NFL draft. I use 'almost' because of A. Bryant but even he has been injured and inconsistent. We overly invested $80M ($25M guaranteed) in D. Bryant and Kruger and we've struggled to get the the QB and stop the run since they've been signed. The regime before that missed on two QB targets, one of which in the first round. We switched defenses three times in five years thus making drafted talent essentially wasteful, at least on the defensive end. Heck, even the approach of our 34 from Horton to O'Neill changed. I could go on, but that right there just scratches the surface.

Well said! Thanks Memphis...

the Jets have a new coach...new QB. and have shown more progress than than Browns have in 2015.

Yeah, no blame at all should be placed on the current regime.

ZERO!!!

And where do you come up with that? I clearly stated a cumulative effect of multiple regimes...

Read the flow of the conversation before you write nonsense like this.

Utter nonsense are you serious dude?

Who let Hoyer go for Train Wreck McCown?

McCown is and has been nothing but a loser for his entire 12 year career. But somehow these folks their going to change all that. Smart or dumb, or just dumb folks who think their smarter but their really not.

They mishandled the QB position so badly last year they did a complete about face this year, which is a good thing and a bad thing at the same time. It says we learned but yeah we blew it last year and we know it.

But it doesn't end there they also drafted multiple player high in the draft that don't -play because they suck have mental problems and abuse problems. So this year they go all character guys but we already lost out on the picks. Do I forgive them? Hell no I don't there as you say the Pro's (don't make me laugh) dude there amateurs learning on the fan bases dime and time.

I knew last year they were mishandling the QB situation and said so repeatedly and then bam it blows up in their faces. They learned but hell man their suppose to be pro's their suppose to be able to handle this stuff and they haven't yet shown they can.

Me for my part I'll give them or any one a chance to show who and what they are. I don't expect perfection I'm not that unrealistic, but one blunder on top of another topped off with them sharing their thought process (minimize the QB spot) and I think we have a couple of idiots running things.

I can wait but I expect zero from this group. But then again I remind myself that the plan was/is has been to tank the season for a top pick QB in next years draft then I tone down a bit, but I hate what they have done. But who don't hate zero?

Yes, I am. And I'll give you one (there's more but...) prime example - Mingo.'Nuff said...

Yet in two FA periods and two NFL drafts under this regime, he's still on the field.

Nouff said?