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Saw a team string together another game of constant flags and penalties. We gotta be the most undisciplined team in the NFL, it's game after game.

Saw a glimpse of what Duke can be. He stuffed their good linebacker in the whole and stood him up on a pass protection assignment, loved it.

Defense secondary is so horrible.

Offensive play calling that I saw is heavily questionable, mainly the entire first half. At this stage, I don't like Flip and his game calling.

I saw an opposing offense make adjustments and just shred us up. Pathetic factoring all the linemen and starting WRs they had hurt.

I'll just wrap it up now, I saw a team I'm beginning to just not even want to watch come GameDay. With all the holes and issues, I see no way for them to turn anything around.

I edited my post to clarify. I thought flip called a bad first half. I'm not even sure how many pass plays it took for him to dial in one running play. Our first series was all passes and a lightning quick 3andout. Can't recall but I don't think he dialed any running plays the second series, which I recall was another 3andout.

I was at the game on sitting on the Browns side of the field. After the first TD O'Neill lit into Orchard (I am not sure why), Whitner, and Gipson.

Is there a better QB under pressure than Rivers?

He had free rushers in his face, on him immediately, twice ..... and he threw perfect passes .. one for a TD, and the other, IIRC, also for a TD.

The defense on that one play, the TD pass to the offensive right against Desir, was just unstoppable, and it should have been a throwaway pass. It was insane. The defense got to Rivers immediately. It was about a second. Desir had good position inside the receiver. The pass was perfectly thrown, perfectly placed, and yet Rivers has no time at all to make that pass. Just amazing.

Someone said that maybe Pettine needs to give some attention to the defense again, and I think that might be the case. The offense is actually playing at a middle of the pack level as far as scoring. However, I also realize that we had a bunch of injuries on defense, with Haden out with ribs ..... K'Waun Williams out with a concussion, Gipson hurt ... man, I wonder if we can talk Jim Leonhard out of retirement?

OLB is a mess right now. Kruger is playing out of position as the cover OLB. He should be rushing the passer regularly. Unfortunately, we are a mess at OLB other than him. Mingo is not playing well. Orchard looks like a rookie OLB, and is lost way too often. Solomon is hurt. Bryant is really a pass rusher, and not an OLB.

I never thought that I would say that the fortunes of our defense would ride on the health of Scott Solomon.

Well, it's time to get this straightened out.

I see a defense that isn't playing the scheme. Yes, we have some sub par players, but the fact that no one ever sets the edge, tells me someone is constantly playing themselves out of position. We often have huge gap in the line that runners run through, even when we send 7 or 8. How is that possible?

The biggest issue I had was, on the first series, didn't we get 9 yards on first down? And then threw it two more times?

You are correct.

I think we only ran the ball something like 8 times the entire first half, I would guess that if we would have ran it some more that there wouldn't have been enough time at the end for San Diego to drive the field for that field goal.

I saw a team desperately in need of linebackers, that's by far our biggest issue at this point on the defensive side of the ball. SD's entire game hinged on big YAC after short throws into the area just beyond the line of scrimmage. It was half of Rivers' yardarge and just backbreakers.

I also saw a kick that was missed at the end, likely because Williams was in so quickly. I don't think that was a miss if he wasn't off sides, so I can't blame him at all.

I saw a good game that we had a chance to win the 4th quarter and for now, that makes me happy. (Not as happy as a win, but not barefoot dancing through a room full of Lego's on the floor depressed either which is nice.)

Or if we ran it less, we might have had time to try to drive down to win the game after their FG.


If "If's" and "but's" were beer and nuts, we'd be having a party.

i saw some dirty home field advantage. like when we had a questionable catch they didnt have a replay. when they had a questionable catch it was replayed.

ive seen that dirty reffing in the past when they refs dont raise their hands for away tds.

our defense needs to go cover 2 or cover 3 if we cant cover anybody. we get one on one and lose on offense. we get one on one on defense and lose. that means find something that work?!?

Mccown looked fine
duke looked like he we a good pickup. we needed to dump him the ball more

"What I saw Game #4"

...But did you see THIS:

'This Has To Be The Spookiest NFL Photo Of The Year'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/spoo...kusaolp00000592

Now presenting, the creepiest NFL moment of the year.

During Sunday's Cleveland Browns-San Diego Chargers game, the scoreboard graphic at one point had these eight types of numbers perfectly aligned: On 3rd and 13 during a 13-13 game, in the 3rd quarter, there was 13:13 left to go and 3 seconds left on the play clock, as a Reddit user named goregyle noticed.

If you're the kind of person who makes a wish at 11:11, then perhaps use this moment to try wishing some bad luck on someone. People don't seem to like the number 13.

But the CBS graphic guys must've been practicing a bit of witchcraft here, right? Or maybe something else is going on -- check out Browns quarterback Josh McCown and his No. 13 jersey at the very top right corner of the screenshot.

Yup, this is definitely some NFL black magic. Harness it as needed.

What I saw was not a team of destiny.

Okay, maybe if you call coming apart at the seams as destiny.

A damper on committing to the run? Flip has ZERO intention of EVER committing to the run. You have to WANT to run the ball. Tossing a run in here or there as an after thought just to keep the D honest is NOT going to generate a run game. And that's his great plan. Throw 10 times run it once, throw 10 times, run it once. I think there were no more than 2 or 3 times yesterday when we ran the ball twice in a row. I don't recall us running it three times in a row the entire game....Crowell should be getting at LEAST 20 carries a game. Duke should get 8-10. EVERY game. If the run isn't working early, KEEP AT IT. If we're down 20? So what? Keep running the ball. THAT is committing to the run. Something we aren't going to do this year. Becaue Flip is PASS HAPPY.

Throwing the ball 45+ times a game IS holding us back EO. Putting it ALL on McCown is holding us back! It puts our defense back on the field really fast. It gives our opponents more chances....

If I hear these idiots mention running the ball one more fracking time I'll explode. Guess what Flip, we all KNOW that running the ball is not in your game plan. Period. So shut the hell up and just do what you're doing. Throw every down and LOSE. Just stop lying to us about how you want to play great defense and run the ball. You don't and you can't.

Next year we'll have a new staff and perhaps they will understand that running the ball keeps your defense off the field and keeps the other guys offense off the field. Perhaps the next guys will know that just becuae you have trouble running early doesn't mean you GIVE UP ON IT.

Meanwhile, down in Georgia, Shanahan has the Falcons lighting up the league. His running back scored THREE rushing touchdowns yesterday. I'll bet we don't score 3 rushing touchdowns in the next MONTH. We scored 16 rushing touchdowns last year. I'll bet we don't score more than 6 this entire season.


I saw was a pitiful excuse for a defense. Oneil sucks. We ended up with TWO sacks against a team missing 3/5ths of their offensive line. Left Tackle, Left Guard and Center. ALL gone and not only did we lose to them, we could only manage TWO sacks. So here is the deal Mr. Oneil. You are a piss poor coordinator. Do us all a favor and resign! Your defense can't stop the run, can't stop the pass, and can't get to the QB. Period. If I was the owner you wouldn't have been allowed on the plane returning home.

Penalties are COACHING related. A couple guys in the game thread yesterday said they went to a number of Pettines practices in camp and they were the softest since the return. Even softer than Romeo's camp cupcake.... we are seeing the results. A poorly coached, poorly motivated team that can't keep from shooting themselves in the foot while lighting their own heads on fire.....

I'm not calling for Pettines head yet, but if we lose to the Ravens? Fire his ass in the locker room after the game. The Ravens game is a MUST win. Otherwise it's time to reboot again. Because this is some of the worst football I've seen out of this team and THAT is saying something.

It is my belief that Shanahan was the only reason we won 7 games last year and if these guys don't wake the hell up and start lighting a FIRE under this team they aren't going to be around long. 5-11 may be too much to ask of this staff.


Peace

did you know we had the ball almost 10 minutes more than the chargers? both teams had about the same amount of snaps and ran the ball about the same amount of times.

It's designed that way. For some reason we are running a base 4-3 defense this season. Unfortunately, we have zero 4-3 defensive ends. The only one we DID have we let walk in FA. He's playing for the Patriots now.....

This defense is in horrible shape. But that's what happens when you waste a top ten pick on Mingo. A guy that was SUPPOSED to be an ELITE PASS RUSHER. Turns out he couldn't sack the QB if his life depended on it. Then we wasted a top ten pick on Gilbert. A corner that is SO pathetic BADEMOSI plays ahead of him. Ouch!

Had we run the ball that number could easily have been even more in our favor. The Chargers are not a good team to judge by. They were hurting BAD. We should have destroyed them. Had we been playing a good team like say the Patriots.... and Brady would have blown us off the field. But hey, if Browns fans like throwing the ball every down, so be it. Lets cut every running back, play shotgun every down and let the great and glorious McCown lead us to the Super Bowl by throwing the ball on every play. That will work especially well come late Nov. and Dec. I can't wait to see our pass every down offense when the Sky of November turns gloomy....

I agree. Late in the game we started to run a bit more, and as soon as the defense started to look tired to me, he went back to the pass.

You don't give Rivers time with the ball. He is good enough to make you pay, and sometimes quickly.

True, but when you are playing one of the top passing teams in the league you run the ball to shorten the game and to keep them from getting as many chances to score.

I saw a team that reminds me of Johnny Manziel last year --- talking about doing one thing (Team says it will run the ball - JM said he was going to work hard and do all the right things to be a better player) .... when in fact the team continues to actually pass first and way more often than it ever has any interest in running - Just like Johnny thought he could party and live his old college lifestyle. . . . . . what they say and what they do are two different things.

At least with the team I am not as angry about their pass happy preferences **as long as the passing game is working**.

I saw a team and I can't decide if the offense and defense SCHEME sucks so badly that it makes the team look woeful - or if its the talent. . . . I watch some teams (take San Diego and their OL play at the weekend) - they take a bunch of guys virtually off the street, throw them together and their SCHEME is solid enough that they survived. Actually against a poor schemed defense like the Browns, they looked like seasoned veterans and pro-bowlers. . . . I understand that they were playing the Browns front 7 and we look bad - but the Chargers OL played well regardless of who they were playing... if the situation was reversed and the Browns had misfits in to play a poor defense (gee just think of how awful we looked after Mack went down last year, initially and certainly at moments for the rest of the season) then OUR OL would be beating ourselves on some plays and getting in our OWN way. . . . that didn't happen for the Chargers and it has to be the SCHEME.

I saw that Josh McCown can play as well as I thought he could play. He's probably better than I hoped (just like Johnny has elevated his game above my expectations this year).

I saw a Bowe drop a pass - and I think he might be the single biggest black mark against Farmer --- his contract and level of play makes me start to second guess much more of Farmer's choices. Whereas I gave him a pass on Gilbert and JMM, Whereas I think its way to early to label Shelton and Erving busts (certainly when I am starting think the schemes are just bad), while I was ok thinking Farmer learned a lesson with txtgate - I am now on a knife edge of saying it is all one pattern that is symptomatic of a single issue: Farmer might truly suck donkey b@lls.

I saw why Duke Johnson could be such an electric player. I love his quickness, seemingly his understanding of the flow of the game/reading the blocks etc. Great hands. Hope he can stay healthy, he and Crow would be a tremendous combo for the next 2-3-4 years.

I saw an Offensive Coordinator willing to be creative with his formations and I liked some/much of what I saw ..... but it comes back to being able to start by doing the basics well. If the only success you have is when you are running something special, then I think you are in trouble.

I think I saw a continued issue with the soft camp = players out hustled, prepared .... less desire?

I saw a HC who looked royally pissed - but who seems to be struggling for how a head coach can vent or get frustrated with players or coaching staff and still lead ... to me it looks like he is less effective because of a desire to stay calm and balanced???

It's Tuesday so I am already telling myself we can beat the Ravens .... Haden and Williams back on defense and I will start the game expecting a win !!

that is a very good point.

decent QB play always makes me happy and more forgiving. not that i think for a minute it is going to last.

I understand - and I prefer a HC who doesn't throw players under the bus, and isn't the Rex Ryan rah-rah guy .... but it just seems to me he is struggling to find the right game day level of emotion.

Reading his post game comments - I can see he thinks he the performance is disappointing. As you say, hopefully out of the spotlight he is being more direct with the players and coaches (and Pettine specifically mentioned players and coaches ...).

Here's hoping.

Anyone got any info on when Williams, Haden and Bryant will be back? They are big for us.