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I did not. And the announcer seemed to agree with me.

Do you give Gilbert any more time to improve or do you cut your losses after this year?

You weren't asking me but I would give him another year. I don't think his contract is an issue, plus we will see what we do in FA and the draft. I think he might be a bust but one more season wouldn't hurt us much.

Bro.............that should have been a pass interference call. No doubt about it.

Yep. He got away with one.

I was just happy he was close to his man. I considered that a success.

Willing to cut him if we acquire better. Can do it later after FA, draft, etc.

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Charles Gaines is back isn't he? Probably knocking the rust off, getting back into football shape - then perhaps? I don't think Gilbert gets axed, although I think he rightfully likely deserves to be as this season, he's doing nothing but riding the bottom pits of the depth chart.

Farmer drafted Gilber. I doubt he gets cut until Farmer gets the axe.

Time is running out for Justin Gilbert to prove his worth to Cleveland Browns: Tom Reed analysis

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Tom Reed, Cleveland.com on November 20, 2015 at 6:00 AM, updated November 20, 2015 at 6:10 AM

BEREA, Ohio – His reticence was obvious from the moment the Browns introduced him to the media and fans in May of 2014.

Cornerback Justin Gilbert, seated on a dais alongside Johnny Manziel, said little during a 30-minute news conference and admittedly was grateful his fellow first-round draft pick commanded all the attention.

"I told (Manziel) walking in it's a good thing he's here with me now because that takes all the pressure off me," he said that day.

Nineteen months later, Gilbert could not be further removed from the spotlight and still remain on the roster.

He's played 31 defensive snaps in 2015, buried on the depth chart of a 2-8 team desperate for help in the secondary. Almost nothing makes sense about Gilbert's time with the organization, including his latest healthy scratch on Sunday, a week after playing a season-high 23 snaps against the Bengals.

Coach Mike Pettine said there were no off-field incidents to keep him out of the lineup in Pittsburgh. After finally getting a chance to play, he apparently had a dreadful week of practice, raising questions about his desire to improve.

Position coach Jeff Hafley said Wednesday it's not a matter of "effort," but of "consistency."

"Be consistent in practice with his technique," Hafley said when asked what's required of Gilbert to earn playing time over the last six games. "Be consistent in the meeting room. Come out every day and compete. Show us and his teammates that he deserves to be out there on the field."

The Browns' futility at the top of the draft board over the past four years is well documented. It's the primary reason why the club continues to flounder at the bottom of the AFC North.

But Phil Taylor showed his potential before injuries derailed his time in Berea. Trent Richardson rushed for 950 yards and 11 touchdowns as a rookie. Bumbling Brandon Weeden won five times and threw 23 touchdowns in as many games. Barkevious Mingo offered a few flashes and had a serviceable second season. Danny Shelton plays regularly if not effectively and, for all his problems, Manziel is improving enough to be named starter for the last six weeks.

That's nobody's idea of quality production from four first-round picks – and yet it far exceeds what Gilbert has supplied. He's provided a few decent kick returns and one spectacular interception for a touchdown against the Colts last season. The rest of his time has been marred by bewildering episodes and behavior. There's been:

• a penchant for being late to meetings last season;

• an admission from Pettine the corner dealt with a "personal issue" during his rookie season;

• the tortured two days of joint practices with the Bills in August in which he was beaten repeatedly before suffering a hip flexor;

• his struggles in preseason games including one against the Redskins in which he thought he played "flawless" except for one blown coverage;

• the road-rage incident prior to the season opener which resulted in him putting his car in a ditch.

Gilbert seems like a distant and conflicted young man and it's hard to tell what he needs more – a swift kick or a hug. The guess here is the Browns have tried both with little success.

"He had a rocky first year to say the least," Browns general manager Ray Farmer said recently. "As he has progressed, he's gotten better this year. Like I said, guys progress at different points in time, and as he continues to grow, he'll get better."

How Gilbert "has gotten better" is not evident to many observers. Farmer's one revealing comment regarding his troubled draft pick came when asked if he's surprised the corner continues to languish at the bottom of the depth chart.

"Yes. Candidly, yes," he said. "At the end of the day you want guys to play and you want them to play right away, you want to put them in there, you want them to go to Hall of Fame and the Pro Bowl."

Gilbert's regression reflects poorly on many within the organization.

Should the Browns have known about possible "personal" issues before drafting him? Perhaps. But an Oklahoma State observer said Thursday he's spoken to OSU assistant coaches who are stunned by Gilbert's off-field woes.

Performance problems, however, are another matter. Several scouts have told cleveland.com they had serious misgivings about his lack of technique. They believed Gilbert relied too much on his size (6-foot, 202 pounds) and athleticism.

The corner is hardly the first high pick to enter the league with questions concerning his coverage abilities. The draft is often about projections, but as one analyst said: "(He's the) easiest bust I've ever called. Hopefully, the light bulb comes on with him."

The Browns thought they could correct the technical mistakes, but nearly two years into his pro development Gilbert remains a source of frustration. Pettine's defensive scheme is dependent on corners who can play press-man coverage and Gilbert has not shown an ability to do it.

Browns veteran Tramon Williams said the scheme is "mentally demanding" on corners, and it makes you wonder if Gilbert just doesn't trust his technique enough to play the right way. The fact the Browns dressed and played sixth-round pick Charles Gaines – he was making his NFL regular-season debut -- ahead of Gilbert in Pittsburgh illustrates how far the second-year pro has fallen in the eyes of coaches.

Gaines and almost every other corner had poor outings against the Steelers, who threw for 400 yards and drew an additional 140 yards in pass-interference penalties. Ineffective play and key injuries in the secondary are among the biggest reasons for the Browns' lost season.

The unit thrived a year ago despite minimal contributions from Gilbert. The Browns needed him to take a step this season with the extended absence of Joe Haden (concussion) and free-agent loss of Buster Skrine. Gilbert's lack of progress is killing the secondary.

"If a guy is practicing the best and he shows it, you have to go with that guy," said Hafley, who's routinely played Pierre Desir and special-teams ace Johnson Bademosi ahead of Gilbert. "There is no magic to this game. It is not a fairy tale where you have a bad week of practice and then you play a guy and he goes in and plays great. It doesn't happen. We have to keep working to get him better."

Gilbert has six weeks to prove his worth to the franchise. The coaching staff needs to give him more opportunities and a chance to play through his mistakes. The Browns aren't contending for anything except the No. 1 overall pick. Besides, how much worse can it get following their performance against the Steelers?

But Gilbert must want it for himself. He needs to commit to what coaches are teaching before he's out of the league.

It's time to embrace the responsibility and spotlight that comes with being a high draft choice instead of shrinking from them.

Seer any trades for him? What might he be worth. Play him to get value up if we can perhaps.

Just bad. Trade him if you can.

Unless Farmer moves on and becomes GM of another NFL team, we won't find anyone dumb enough to trade for Gilbert.

Lol!

Yeah, I really do not see the least bit of trade value for a high first round selection who is going into his second year and only sees the field when there are multiple injuries at corner.

I don't think we would get a seventh rounder for him. Training camp cut next August is my guess, unless he turns his game around.
Which he won't.

As of this moment, I also don't think anyone be willing to give us a 7th rounder. I mean, why would they? The most successful accolade is he broke the 20 yard line on a few kick off returns.

Because Farmer is brain dead this should qualify as hiring the handicapped. I think the NFL should give us a mulligan for the Gilbert pick.

Man... just put Gilbert out there and let him learn... at this point in the season, what will it cost us?

Sometimes you just gotta give guys the time to compete!!! Lets see what he has!

What Gilber said during camp pretty much tells the entire story.

When asked if he was planning on competing for a starting job, he said, "we'll see."

From the mouths of babes as they say...

On the upside, if we cut him, he'd only cost us less than Bowe.


YEAR ........BASE SALARY......SIGNING BONUS......CAP HIT........DEAD CAP
2014 .........$420,000............$1,913,364.........$2,333,364.....$12,833,502
2015 .........$1,003,341........$1,913,364.........$2,916,705.....$10,500,138
2016 .........$1,586,682........$1,913,364..........$3,500,046......$7,583,433
2017 .........$2,170,023........$1,913,364.........$4,083,387.......$4,083,387
2018 Free Agent Year
2019 UFA

What's that say about a guy if he can't get on the field for a 2 and 8 team?

In all fairness, he looked like a good pick at the time, but man, what a disappointment.

Play him at Nosetackle till he gets hurt or retires.

Same with Bowe.

Call Indy.

'Justin Gilbert of the Cleveland Browns Described as Aloof and a Loner that Angers His Teammates'

http://thebiglead.com/2015/11/30/justin-...-his-teammates/

By: Jason Lisk

Johnny Manziel makes all the headlines for the 2014 NFL Draftees for the Cleveland Browns, but according to Kevin Jones of Cleve Scene, 8th overall pick Justin Gilbert’s tenure has been just as big a disaster.

Gilbert was selected after the Browns traded up one spot with the Minnesota Vikings. The player taken by Minnesota after getting that extra pick from Cleveland? Anthony Barr, now tearing up the league (sorry, Browns fans).

According to Jones, the problems with Gilbert stem from his personality and lack of caring about other members of team or playing football.

Among the troubling details, the article claims that key members of the organization didn’t even vet Gilbert and meet with him prior to the selection. “But what’s troubling about the matter is that Gilbert’s personality problems are apparent to anyone who’s been around him for longer than a day,” says Jones.

Gilbert, who has started only two games at cornerback since being drafted, is described as aloof, withdrawn, and having a false sense of entitlement that “rubs people the wrong way.” Last year, he missed a mandatory team bus, had to be located 90 minutes later, and then according to the story, a teammate had to be restrained because “Gilbert stood there smiling, eating candy.”

Among the other allegations leveled against Gilbert are that he is often a loner at the team facility, that he pushed away veterans like Joe Haden that tried to mentor him, and that he is never asked to participate in community events because of his personality.

Why are the Browns a bad organization? Because Johnny Manziel looks like the best of their two picks from the 2014 draft, emblematic of their inability to get impact players. Gilbert looks like one of the biggest draft busts of the last decade.

There won't be much outrage over Gibler, though. They will all continue to blast Manziel.

Btw----------did anyone notice that Gilber got concussed by a kicker? LOL.........I yi yi yi.

So, you're saying, that there was something up there to injure? Good to know.

Scouting department blows. How can we not access immaturity? How can they not access drive and will to want to be great? Sometimes the kid's attitude weighs in more than the talent.

We are such a joke.

i think you and others are severely forgetting how easy it is to fake that.

in the military we called it "false motivation". they knew we hated what we did, but we had to fake it in order to please the top dogs.

All I need to know:

Childish, per usual. But guys, you're not allowed to say Three Stooges.

No it's not. See, he's allowed to do the exact things he rails against. In his mind, anyway.......without getting called on it.

I'm just going to complete the trifecta of people he has blocked.

You are correct. And these guys, especially the top guys, they have agents and handlers telling them what they will be asked, how to respond, how to dress, how to sit, etc...

I once heard a former GM say that he didn't even take the 15 minutes at the combine seriously because everybody is so well schooled. He waited to get them to the facility for the whole day, then you at least had a chance to catch them off-guard and get some information.

But as far as judging things like work ethic and desire to be great.. .there you have to rely on your friends at the college level, friends that have worked with him and watched him, heck back to his HS coach.. you learn far more from those guys than you do from the guy himself.

I've interviewed for jobs before that I didn't really want but I needed a job.. I knew all of the right things to say, how to sound excited, how to paint myself as the best thing ever.. it's really not that hard.

Not trying to be offensive, but did you and Swish miss the part where the Browns did not even meet w/Gilber before they drafted him?

Gilbert is a bust. But the excuses just keep on coming in.

Gilbert is what he is. A young player who lacks the heart and desire to become good.
he got his huge pay day.
He's happy and content.
Gilbert is a bust.He proved just how inept this front office is when it comes to judging talent and character.
there is a reason why teams like the Packers,Broncos and Bengals go to the playoffs
and team like the Browns are laughed by the masses.
Drafting.

Gilber has been a bigger bust and had a worse attitude than Johnny, yet all the posters who rip on JM 10+ times a day never say boo-peep about Gilber.

Wonder what their real motivation is?