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He did? Lol guess I missed that.....Geeze that's a harsh critique. Personally I saw one of the best quarterbacked games in recent memory by a Browns QB.....But we have some harsh critics in this place.

D got a lot of rest today...I think the we had like 36 or 39 minutes so D can't blame the O for 3-n-outs. 180+ running yards will put a hurting on your pride but I think Ravens always run well on us.

If Joe sent that then that gives credence to Josh being the man in the huddle...Hey if everyone is behind Josh then so be it...the verizon commericals with his brother were even funnier today...

Or opened up a hole for a running back ... lol ..

The throw to Taylor on the comeback was too high, would've been big play. Missed Travis over the middle. One throw to Hartline would've been better, it could have been a big play. I could go on.

Not being a "critic", just being real. I gave Josh the credit he deserved, just pointing the fact he left some plays out there. Plays that would have not made the game such a thriller.

A Browns franchise single game passing record 457 yards?

I saw the entire game and I would have never guessed that.

Graham, Sipe, Ryan, Kosar... & McCown?

I hope Manziel took notes.

It's sort of like with all the great running backs we've had over the years James Harrison has our single game record.

Jerome Harrison iirc

Travis Coons hits them!
Even after a Double Announcer Jinx on one kick!
("3 for 3 today." answered by "Hasn't missed all season.")
Coons is 11/11!
(Next Ratbird FG try their kicker pulls one after being lauded for being AFC Special Teams Player of the Week.)

McCown sets a single game Browns Record w/ 457 passing yards and a running TD!
McCown becomes the first QB in Browns history w/ three straight 300+ yard games.

We WIN AWAY!

I look at the good side on Win Day.

I'm definitely a glass is half empty kinda guy, and there's a lot that can be gripped about but it just feels so good to get a win, especially there and especially against those guys that I'm going to put away my keyboard for the week and just enjoy it.

Yup.
True.

[Cartoon sound/image outtake]: "boogataboogataboogataboogata"



Better than all of them.
Shocked the helloutta me, too.



Also this: First Browns QB to log 3 consecutive 300+ passing yards games. Ever.

Massive numbers for a Cleveland QB- of any era.

This "Journeyman" is starting to grow on me. I'm actually OK with the idea of seeing more from him. I want our #2 QB to do well if/when he plays for us, but if our #1 can gut out a divisional win like this, I believe he's more than earned a 'longer leash' than some other fans may have granted him.

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The 'visuals' never really looked as pretty as the numbers might suggest, did it?
A "statsfan" sees those numbers, and sees the illegitimate lovechild of Dan Marino and Joe Montana in his head.

I saw a vet QB who took what the D gave him, played inside himself and the game plan, and made big plays when he needed to.
I saw a team that rallied around itself. Teams don't do that unless they believe in the one guy who touches the ball on every (potential) point-scoring snap.

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Lots of this game was ugly... but it's always been the kind of 'ugly' that led to a heartbreaking Browns loss. Today, our QB did enough to give Ravens fans a taste of the medicine we've been forced (all too often) to taste.

Real Life is unpredictable.


Outrageous numbers from a Browns QB in an early, clutch divisional game. We've seen worse, as fans.... in games like these.

My point:

At 2-3, it's still way too early to throw in the towel on the season... or this quarterback.

.02

People talking about the record, REMEMBER THE NUMBERS OF MODERN DAY NFL PASSERS ARE INFLATED.

You are barely allowed to touch a WR or QB in today's NFL making it much easier to pile up stats.

It's kinda like how for stats they always say "In the Super Bowl era" or "since 1982", etc. There really should be a new one for "since 2005" (I think it was 2005 when the no touch rules went into effect, might've been a bit earlier).

So while McCown's 457 yards is still super impressive, going 300 x 3 really isn't that big a deal. It's more pathetic that nobody else has done it since 99 :-P.

Not taking away from his achievement, just seems dumb to compare him to Sipe, Ryan, Kosar, Graham when they were playing with completely different rules.

By my count he had 7 incomplete passes. 6 of his completions were a little off. If they had been pin point accurate then the receiver could have run for an additional YAC of guessing 64 yards. Combined this would have been conservatively 2 more touchdowns and the game wouldn't have been so close. Margin of victory would have been 38 instead of 24.

Oops, my bad, that was my review of Tom Brady and the Patriots game. I'll re-watch the Browns game and get back to you on my McCown evaluation.

How crucial was that 2 point conversion to go up by 3 at the end of regulation? Otherwise we probably lose. The football gods were with us. Hope this win turns us around. 1-0 in the div is all I need to hear right now.

I'm talking about you and others get on Thomas after he spoke up for McCown. It was a lowlight of Manziel apologetics. To blindly defend someone who has done nothing but burn bridges and being lazy since being drafted against someone who hasn't missed a snap since being drafted playing through multiple injuries. The agenda was clear as day, but at that point it got more than ugly.

Glad we're past that now. Let's move on to the postgame talk:

Postitives:

- the Offense is working without much talent, kudos to Flip. I was very skeptical of the hire, but he's the only coach stepping up.

- the kicking duo of Coons and Lee might be the best we've seen in a while

- the much criticized OL was a big part of this win. The Ravens rushed a lot and they gave McCown enough time picking up blitz after blitz. Didn't focus on the TE and FB blocking, but I would guess that improved too.

Negatives:

- still much of the same: Shelton is just a terrible NT, I'm sorry to so blunt about it, he's even worse than I expected. How many 10+ yd runs stright up the gut? Then the frustration got to him with two stupid penalties, although the first one ("throwing the ball") was a joke imho. Forsett and Allen combined for 179yds on 29 runs. It's a trend and it's ugly. Thankfully the Ravens were stupid enough to pass more than run, for whatever reason. For once, they found a way to lose with numerous penalties, missed FG and questionable play calling leading most of the game, while we hung around and eventually won.

- how can you not call TO when the Ravens were close to a TD late in the 4th? TO management at the end of both halves was just terrible. Going into halftime with two TO and ball in Ravens territory? Oh my...

- the Browns have no playmakers. On both sides, but especially on offense. I know many think Benji is one, but he isn't. He's a very good gadget/decoy speed WR, but he's not a go to guy, much less in the Redzone. At one point he had six passes thrown his way with only one catch. He gives up EVERY god damn contested ball in 1on1 situations. Drives me nuts. He has to be open in space to make catches. Flip is doing an excellent job getting him in those situations, but long term, this team needs a go to guy. It won't be Benji and it can't be Barnidge.

- hey, remember when the entire board was excited with Crowell/West at RB, while I screamed it's one of our biggest needs? Guess how that played out. We have no plus runner. It's a real problem. We can't hope McCown/Barnidge go vintage every sunday, that won't happen, not long enough. Duke is an excellent receiver and change of pace RB, but no workhorse. Crowell just isn't consistent enough, leaving a lot of yds on the field. Meanwhile, Devonta Freeman keeps breaking my heart in Atlanta. Just as a reminder: smart Farmer traded up for West with Freeman available. There's some hope with Turbin, we will see


To summarize, this win was oh so sweet because we destroyed the Ravens season on their turf, but the reasons we won this game are not part of any upside or future. The young, high investment players still stunk up for the most part and that clouds the future.

Ravens were screwed when Doom got hurt. They had to blitz in order to generate a pass rush for the rest of the game. They also had no running game once Forsett was hurt.

Well that's a cockeyed way to look at it. I say they need improvement because they do. end of story.

So they still need improvement, but we're not allowed to talk about what needs to be improved. Got it.

OK Morning after an OT WIN over the Ratbirds.

Time to get constructive.
we suck, we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck, Farmer, we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck, Defense, we suck,we suck,we suck,we suck, Play Johnny, we suck,
Have a Nice Day!
Signed
Browns Fan

I'm not sure what that rant was all about...

j/c:

Awesome game yesterday. To be honest, at 14-3 at the end of the 1st quarter I thought the game was already out of reach. Kudos to the team for creeping back into it and finding a way to win-- that type of ending is usually a game we're not supposed to win.

McCown played a great game. I think at times he made some poor decisions (second last play of the half) and held the ball too long at times, but overall did EXACTLY what we needed to win the game.

I still think Mack isn't 100%. I liked his very quick reaction to push Mosley of the way on that timed blitz but I still feel like he struggled. I could be overanalyzing this because there was heavy blitzing inside and maybe more blame goes to the guards? But overall I thought the line played very well.

D. Johnson will be a player teams have to game plan for because of what he can do out of the backfield. He'll get a ton of touches moving forward.

Shelton w/ two boneheaded plays. Can't do that, son.

I don't get the defensive struggles. Not that we have a world beating defense last year but it was very good, and the personnel is almost the same. Tramon is a upgrade over Skrine outside. Rubin is gone so that helps. D. Bryant has missed some games but all he does is flash and it is few and far between. Kruger isn't Kruger from 2014. Haden is off to a slow start. Whitner has rebounded the past couple of game but still struggles.

I think Coons had a "Now I know I can do it in this league" game. For a rookie, I think that is huge moving forward.

Benjamin aggravates me with his lack of ability to compete for a ball. Like DJ said, he has to be in open space for him to be successful. It was good to see McCown take advantage of Andrew Hawkins to make a few clutch plays.

Where is the old Barnidge and what have you done with him, Browns? Hahaha.

Oh, and I thought Orchard played a nice game.

Agree with some of your points. Disagree with a few things you wrote too ....

- I think its completely unjustified to say Johnny has done nothing but be lazy and burnt bridges since he arrived. Rookie season - yes. This offseason and all the way through this season - he has been a model citizen, won a game and kept out of the media limelight. I think you're not willing to acknowledge a change in behavior pattern.

- I think the offense has talent. A lot of it. [1] A great pass protecting OL - which is why we threw the ball 51 times. [2] While it's a negative that the receiving care are largely clones of each other - small fast and agile - Hawkins, TB, Gabriel all have talent. Bainbridge is showing himself to be as good or better than Cameron - and I had a high opinion of Cameron ergo Bainbridge must be pretty decent. . . . finally Duke looks as good as any RB I have seen play for the Browns since 1999. Great cut back, great hands. Hope he's durable.

- I think you are confused about Benji - you say he's not a playmaker then you say he's not a go to guy.... those two things are not the same thing at all. TB is a playmaker. He makes something special happen. He is not a go to guy like Miles Austin was, like Jurevicius was .... but he can and does change a game by himself which is what I think of as a playmaker.

So you think word got back to Thomas that fans on dawgtalkers were critical of him?

Hmmm, interesting. This is like a discovered super power. How will I use this in the future? For the betterment of the team or for evil? This is the critical point, when that super power is discovered, when you decide to be a good guy or a villain. I'll have to ponder this.

DJ would have made the same post if the Browns had just finished a 19-0 season. I like to go to other teams boards to get a pulse on what their fans are thinking and how they view their teams. There's a DJ on every board. It takes all kinds to make the world go round, even DJs.

Me either.....lol!

Seriously just for once enjoy yourselves and the Win.
Would you rather have had them lose?
Plenty of time to dissect everything that's wrong.
Plenty of time to promote your/my/our agenda on fixing what's wrong.

LOL!
Hey I need a Pony!
Little Help Guys!

The Johnny comment was made in the context of fans on here criticizing Joe Thomas for speaking up for McCown after Manziel's start. I do acknowledge that he has changed his mindset, although I'm not sure by how much and how much that helps his marginal talent. He obviously still doesn't have the playbook down and it doesn't seem his coaches or teammates have much trust in his abilitites for whatever reason. I have no clue why he's not respected at all, but for Joe Thomas to make that comment after the win yesterday, it means he's pretty far down the gutter in the eyes of the team. I mean, they're not even trying to pull back, he's toast in their eyes. He's seen as a pretender is my guess

Talent, well sure, Gabriel, Hawkins any many others do have NFL talent, maybe I should have written "difference makers". The Offense does have functional talent and a good OL, but they have no go to guy and worse, no real redzone target to win 1on1 situations, which brings us to...

...Benji, playmaker, yeah, at times, but not a consistent one. He's in a contract year and still doesn't even try to go for a ball with a CB near him. That's not what a complete WR looks like. At best he's a no2 WR for deep routes, but I think his game can easily be taken away with more physicality

Other Quotes from Thomas.

"After the first quarter, we said 'screw it,' we're going to play with three wide receivers ... and throw the ball downfield," said Thomas, who raved about McCown's leadership and how he "gets us into the right things" on offense.

"Now this will give us a real boost," said Thomas. "I know it's one game, but it still means a lot."
Only member left from our last Win at Baltimore.

So now you're trying to paint me as the negative nancy to distract from your pathetic leadership of the Manziel's pitchfork brigade? How pathetic and spineless. I took a shot at you and all Manziel fanboys, because, well after all Joe Thomas DID so too and laughed straight in your face with his comment and was ready to move on then and there, because I truly enjoyed that win, as short as it may last. I won't let this lack of character get away a second time Rish, here's the parade of your patheticness dissing Thomas all through September to justify your mancrush with Johnny:

"And Thomas is too quiet. He doesn't want to be a leader."

"I was glad Jaws came out with some unpopular, positive opinions this week on Manziel (and unfortunately a little negative on Thomas). He needs some backers. Just a few believers."

"I'm tired of cow towing to guys like Thomas. He's never made a difference in the win column. Build your team always with an eye on the future. Always."

"Who gives two craps about Joe Thomas. "

"If you don't start Manziel now, there is no plan. What is the plan for this team? Stop bowing down to guys like Thomas and Hartline. Who gives two craps what these guys think. They are paid to play, not make personnel decisions or worry about the short-term vision of the team. Tell them to shut the hell up and if they don't like it too bad.
If you don't start Manziel now, you have no plan. "

"I don't think he has to at all (discussion about Pettine having to consider his locker). Screw what the veterans think. Make decisions that benefit the long-term future of your team.
45-86 - The Browns record since they drafted Joe Thomas."

"I would trade Thomas to a contender in need of a LT for an additional first. He should play well enough this year to get that in return to the right team. If we go into next year's draft with a good feeling about Manziel and we hit on our high pick, the pick for Thomas, and our high second, we can turn this around quickly.
There is zero to be gained by playing McCown. Pettine and his coaches are in way over their heads. This is as much a learning year for them as it is Manziel.
Let me repeat this...There is ZERO to gain by playing McCown."

"There's just zero point in playing him, though. Why? So Thomas and Hartline don't get mad? So Dansby and Whitner don't get mad? I think it's so silly. You always play your future guy to see what you have. Always.

There has to be something deeper going on, IMO. (inserted to highlight the desperation of conspiracy against his hero is setting in, oh the delusion, lol)"

"I think there is definitely a divide in the locker room over Manziel, but that's the organization's fault, not Manziel's. They need to get behind the guy, tell the vets to shut the eff up, and if they don't like it, hit the bricks. I'm tired of Joe Thomas being our GM and coach."

"I would trade Thomas and Haden, who I believe are both part of the problem. Apparently, after week 1, Thomas made an impassioned plea to the team about playing better. He then proceeded to take his vet day off the next day in practice. Great leadership Thomas. Get picks for those guys. They should be pretty high. "

"Graff is letting a personal dislike for Manziel get in the way of rational thinking.
He doesn't even know he's doing it.
Or he does and doesn't care.
Maybe he's really Joe Thomas."

"Yeah total fire sale by the Bears. Totally smart move.
I wouldn't mind the Browns doing that.
I'd start with Thomas and Haden."

"I think it's been a problem on this team with a lot of players for a long time, including Haden and Thomas. (discussion about vets not being competitive)"

Man, that was more than I expected, I guess I started skimming your posts at one point. You ran a real smear campaign against Thomas, Pettine and McCown. I can understand the last two, because like Manziel, they've done NOTHING for the Browns, so it's mere opinion, but to drag Thomas into this showed the dark side of your agenda.

You could have just let it slide or say that you were simply wrong, now enjoy being the thread's village idiot.

LOL Yeah let's move on now after you brought this up and blew your own horn.

If you followed the posts, I took a shot and moved on talking about the game, but Rish then first asked me to refresh his memory, at which point I still held back, then proceeded a pointless personal attack. I let the same pattern slide a weeks or two ago, because I believed he's better than that. Guess I was wrong, so now I refreshed his memory at his request

McCown has 1 win this year. Who has the other?

Ok Ok... Still no need to drum the Manziel hate agenda any longer.

We couldn't run the ball, we couldn't stop the run, Tucker misses a FG(which could have sealed our fate), we have a pretty good kicker, Barnidge making me forget about that other TE that was hurt all the time, finally, some things went our way and it was really great beating that team!!!

Manziel hate? This is exactly what pisses so many people off about him and his lunatics. The world revolves around him. There were at least half a dozen heroes that won that game for the Browns, yet everything gets graded around him. If we lose "put in Johnny", we win "Manziel hate".

Sure, Joe Thomas and his comment didn't help, but it needed to be said to shut those clowns up. McCown is the QB, he soundly won the job in TC and he has proven it those past three games. McCown had two consecutive games without a TO and broke multiple Browns franchise records delivering the ball to a boatload of players and not only chucking it deep to Benji.

This is not Manziel-hate, it's McCown respect. He has proven to be the better QB, simple as that. Pettine and Joe Thomas have been proven right. They've shown to have a backbone. The Manzielians are on the other side of pretty much all of that and are the only one's "hating".

I wonder if other NFL fan bases like to bang on each other as much as this one. People have opinions; they come here to air them - why does there always need to be this "airing of the grievances" when events unfold that might tend to undermine someone's previously stated opinion? So they were wrong ... big effing whips - who cares?

I was one of the guys, along with Rish, who came on here last week to say that I thought they should play Manziel. Nobody who has read anything I posted before and since the 2014 draft would ever accuse me of being a Manziel fanboy. I didn't want him, I don't want him, I don't think he's NFL-grade. But I've also come to realize that there will be no peace among Browns' fans until those who DO want him and DO think he can play get their day in court ... get to see him get a fair trial. I'm okay with that and with letting the chips fall where they may. If I'm wrong, so-effing-what, I never claimed infallibility and I don't have any notions about my elevated status here (LOL) being so threatened that I need to make this any kind of agenda. I just really don't understand why we all can't come here and freely exchange opinions without all the personal attacks. Its just football, peeps.

Joe Thomas's tweet was pretty childish. Fans support this crap fest like no other and have been rewarded with nothing but disappointment. They have the right to call for whoever they want.

He obviously still has an axe to grind with Johnny. Funny however Johnny has stayed out of the media, and here is Joe Thomas trying to drag him into it lol.

I realize that we still have a lot of work to do for this team moving forward, but it was great to get a win. Against the Ravens. In their house. While breaking records.

Usually these things are stats we hear about the other team.

- McCown is the first QB in Browns history to throw for over 300 yard in 3 consecutive games.

-McCown threw for 457 yards. Most yards ever in Browns history.

-Barnidge is the first TE since Ozzie Newsome to have a TD in three consecutive games.

-And Ozzie had to watch it happen to his team, at home, against his former team....

You seriously can't make this stuff up!! I'll agree with some of the "negative" posts here, but I'm with Arch. I'll enjoy this till next week.

Only a few complaints. The D keeps giving up large chunks of yardage. They had plays of 22, 32, and 48 yards. Granted, our offense had some of those too, but I only counted those plays over 20 yards. There were plenty more plays in the 10-20 yard range.

What the hell happened to outside containment? Why is our defense still being burned on the outside in week 5. That should be fixed by now.

I'm lucky to still see the end of my nose, but my eyesight is still better than some of these refs.

Still need a run game. I am still unsure if the OL is unable to keep holes open, or if the backs see them too late. Week 5 and it still needs to be fixed.

Other than that: Take that you dirty, filth filled city, team stealers!!!! Your team is named for a poem written by a man in NY, who's only famous actions in baltiwhore were marrying his cousin and dying of rabies from your, still to this day, rat infested city!!!!