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How is having Josh McCownn (Josh McCown) throw the ball 49, 41, and 51 times reducing the emphasis on the QB? Even if the offense is simplified, no one can say they expected that. And even if there is one crazy person who says they expected that, that person didn't think McCown would be averaging 384 yards in games he didn't leave after the first drive.

IT'S JOSHUA FOOTBALL!!

Easy, defenses are loading the box leaving one-on-one coverage. Any NFL QB can beat one-on-one. Offense must prove they can beat teams passing. Once defense start playing the pass run game comes into play. Can Josh continue doing as well throwing recognizing who is double teamed?

Wouldn't it be Joshy (Joshie?) Football?

ARE they loading the box? Or do we just assume that because we can't run the ball?

Well that just sounds silly..

Josh takes a lot of hits against defenses that are average at best. I think you add in the fact he is also suffering a bit of an ankle injury and may not be able to escape pressure as well this week and there is a significant worry about him coming out of this game in one piece. The Broncos D can get after it.

I honestly don't know if this is true or not.

Pro Football Focus discontinued their premium subscription service, so I have know way of finding out.

Can anyone confirm or dispute this?

Yes! I paid close attention last Sunday. Ravens used 8 guys. Barnidge or a running back go unchecked. It is why they were open.



If you noticed, most times defense, last two games, always had a free man coming at McCown. Josh finds the open guy in time.

Wasn't Mosley on Barnidge for most of the game?

If by "on" him.. You mean "getting schooled by" then yes..

Not being disrespectful but do the math. Seven or Eight in the box leaves 3-4 in coverage. Browns having five OL, QB, 2 receivers, running back, and TE. Pick your position you want the extra guy.

Peyton destroys teams who overload attempting to get pressure. Josh, on a lesser scale, is doing the same. His knowledge on defenses is allowing him to do well.

I am over exaggerating on any NFL QB. I don't think Manziel pulls it off at least not consistently.

I can't say for sure every play. I saw Hill covering Barnidge a few times. Mosley, if I'm not mistaken, was trying to cover Duke on his TD catch.

It was difficult because TV coverage didn't always show. Every time the camera shot widen I saw 23 or 33 down low.

Are you saying there are seven or eight players rushing the QB or that there are seven or eight people in the box to stop the run?

Normally teams stack the box for the run, but not all those players are blitzing. If it is a pass play many of those players will drop back into coverage.

To me, Raves rushed four every time emphasizing gap containment stopping the run. It looked no different then any other defense playing against Cleveland. OL, for the most part, are picking it up.

I get confused whether it is the ROLB or LOLB. The OLB on Josh's right, last two games, comes in untouched. Browns. for whatever reason, is leaving this guy unaccountable.

Funny, DL got the sacks while safeties got QB hits.

Right. So if the other team is only rushing four players, that is leaving seven players in coverage to cover our five eligible receivers.

I believe four attempting pressure with 3 or 4 concentrating closing the gaps. You rarely see anyone falling backing into coverage. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by blitzing. My interpretation is seeing someone at the snap of the ball making a direct move toward the QB. Ravens' DL uses a mix of one and three technique. Emphasis is containment guessing what gap is free.

true that.

I recall them stunting their DL multiple times as well..

First, there is a big difference between 7 and 8.. second, having them in the box doesn't mean they all rush, they are still free to pick up backs and TEs releasing on a pass play.

That's why it is felt the way to get out of that is you have to be successful over the top because that's where the mismatch is created, on the outside, in the one on one with no safety help.

If you have success throwing underneath, bubble screens, crossing routes, etc... that is still not going to force a team out of loading the box.

or, if your OLine can have success blocking their standard rush, then you can pull a guy or two out of the box with drags and seam routes with your slot & TE.... not all of that will be covered by DB's. If they stay zone and don't shadow those routes, then those guys sit down in a soft part of the zone and make a catch. Enough of that and the defense has to start to react, and then you're the one dictating things.

Boy would that be nice

I never thought we would be discussing these things with Josh McCown as our QB.

O ye of little faith...

But of great logic.

Sometimes emotions make logic...illogical!

This is not one of those cases.