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The facts I can see:
- A couple had an argument in public.
- Police were called.
- Police didn't charge anyone for driving under the influence - did not charge anyone for reckless driving or for domestic violence. So whatever fracas there was, was minor.
Now because its Johnny and he has a history - people want to assume the worst.
JMO Speeding past cars on the shoulder, forcably keeping a woman in a vehicle she wants to exit and pushing her face into the vehicle's window, to say nothing of day drinking 3 months after getting out of substance abuse rehab is the worst. Man I know I'm biased against this guy, but you must be related to him to try and blow this off as no big deal... No - I didn't want anything to do with JFF before the draft. I thought he was a joke last season. But I think he has made genuine effort to turn his life around. I prefer not to judge people when I don't have many facts. As to your comments - what speed were the other cars going? What speed was JM's car going? You prefer a person to allow a person to jump out of a moving vehicle than to restrain them? . . . I have not seen any report about JM pushing his girlfriends face into the window. . . I can't comment to that, but if that is the very worst of the incident then I hope Johnny learns a lesson and moves on. I certainly don't think it's grounds to cut him or worse. Did you not read the OP? According to the report, a witness called police after seeing Manziel's white Nissan use the shoulder of the road to pass her at a high speed.
The witness told police the couple was arguing and Crowley attempted to exit the vehicle while they were on the road.
In the report, both Manziel and Crowley admitted they were having an argument and Crowley threw a wallet out of the window.
The report stated the couple then stopped the car in an Avon neighborhood and continued arguing. That's when a second witness called police.
Minutes later, police stopped Manziel's car on Nagle Road where he said both he and Crowley had been drinking in downtown Cleveland earlier that day.
In the report, Crowley told police Manziel pushed her head into a window. She wanted her cell phone because she was concerned about her safety and said she just wanted to return to Texas.
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Here comes all the hypocrites from the media.
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Women ain't worth it, Johnny. So it's her fault? Have you read about her? She is a party animal. She is not a good influence. All I can say is thank god she lives in Texas.
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Good Riddance Johnny!
And even Josh Gordon too just for kicks!
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Well..
lets see how Pettine and Farmer respond.
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You know what they say... what goes up, must always come down. Just, and I mean JUST when you start to get some decent, to even good, vibes towards this kid, boom.
What more is there to say?
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Folks around here are kinda judgmental about a VERY YOUNG couple having an argument .. No charges were filed .. Give the kid a break ..
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one question I'd have: what the heck is he doing drinking at 2pm on a Monday you do realize he works weekends, right? 
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Not a great police report if you're a Manziel fan.
Drinking, observed "beating" by a witness in another car, and even Paul Kruger made an appearance LOL
he's done IMO
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You know what they say... what goes up, must always come down. Just, and I mean JUST when you start to get some decent, to even good, vibes towards this kid, boom.
What more is there to say? That he's human, with all the attendant foibles?
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 That is the funniest thing I ever saw
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Not a great police report if you're a Manziel fan.
Drinking, observed "beating" by a witness in another car, and even Paul Kruger made an appearance LOL
he's done IMO the only time he'll be sacking the QB this year i guess.
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Not a great police report if you're a Manziel fan.
Drinking, observed "beating" by a witness in another car, and even Paul Kruger made an appearance LOL
he's done IMO We must have read different reports... Didn't see anything about beating... Sounds more like trying to prevent your drunk girlfriend from getting out of the car on a highway The three biggest things that concern me... Speeding and driving on side of road, drinking in middle of day after going to rehab... Though sounds like he had a couple of drinks at lunch which wouldn't be a big deal if he didn't go to rehab.. And continuing to have a relationship with someone who appears to really like to drink... From what I read I don't see any intention to hurt his girlfriend... But there's still a lot of disappointment in that report
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Not a great police report if you're a Manziel fan.
Drinking, observed "beating" by a witness in another car, and even Paul Kruger made an appearance LOL
he's done IMO I thought the witness said he was keeping her from exiting from a moving vehicle. I don't get the "beating" comment. Sounds to me like she was trashed and they were arguing in the car. I don't know about you, but sounds to me like she was the one out of line, not Johnny. Many will make this a big deal, when it isn't. Him even having a couple of drinks, is not good though. When you go to rehab, returning to the thing that got you there is not good. That being said, I personnally know of some bad drunks, that cleaned up, but then only drank lightly, and are fine.
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to me this is a non issue, he said he drank earlier in the day and it sounds like his GF was still drunk and tried to get out of the car while still moving, Manziel grabbed he to keep her from doing something stupid. If anything, he just needs to distance himself from this ho and watch who he associates with. I guess she has a huge party girl rep. Not the kind of girl he should be around.
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The police report says this: "During the ride back, she did state that Mr. Manziel pushed her head against the glass of the car 5 minutes prior to getting into Avon and in an interview with Ptl. Layne she stated that Mr. Manziel did hit her a couple times in the car."
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At the end of the report... Jackie admits he kept her from jumping out of the car..
I would say.. he just saved a life...
Until the facts are out.. I'm going to shrug it off...
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Until the facts are out.. I'm going to shrug it off... We have as much information as we are going to get.
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The police report says this: "During the ride back, she did state that Mr. Manziel pushed her head against the glass of the car 5 minutes prior to getting into Avon and in an interview with Ptl. Layne she stated that Mr. Manziel did hit her a couple times in the car." This is strange. Obviously if Manziel hit his girlfriend, he should be in some serious trouble. But why were they allowed to drive off together if she accused him of hitting her? Normally wouldn't he just be detained as a precaution? Manziel is making poor choices (again) by even having this woman in his life.
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We have as much information as we are going to get. Then it isn't an issue... Again in the report .. she could have had someone come get her or walk away... and she chose to go with him... and they drove off.. I bet they are having a very steamy moment making up... as the board is discussing this... lol
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The police report says this: "During the ride back, she did state that Mr. Manziel pushed her head against the glass of the car 5 minutes prior to getting into Avon and in an interview with Ptl. Layne she stated that Mr. Manziel did hit her a couple times in the car." It also states that besides saying that, her story changed. The witness seems to have seen what Johnny described to the police. You can use that quote to further an agenda, but it seems to me that it is not fact.
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He and GF have drinks while out, GF over does it, they argue and she tries to exit car while on road moving, he grabs and restrains her, they pull over and continue argument, cops come and determine nobody drunk enough for disorderly, JFF not drunk enough for DUI or to keep from driving away, she later post they are all good... BTW they are very young.
To me this is a non story. I take it like they had drinks with dinner, she got tipsy, they argued, she got emotional and he kept her from doing something stupid (getting hurt), police checked them out found no violations and they went home made up and all is good.
JFF might have had a close call here and it will be enough for him to re-evaluate the relationship, reconsider how wise it is to have drinks with dinner, and realize that the fair-weather Cleveland fans will drop you like a hot potato for the slightest negative headline.
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Hmmmm. In the old days, we used to call this incident a "domestic dispute".
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j/c to those of you who questioned why I said "beating" was observed
In the report, one of the witnesses claimed to have seen him grabbing her and "beating" her int the car.
I'm not saying he DID do it, just saying the witness SAID he did
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Cleveland fans will also worship him again if he plays a game and wins.
This thing is not a big deal. It is mostly gossip magazine news worthy.
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Anybody listen to MKC's interview on NFL.com? Bozo-ess...
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You can use that quote to further an agenda, but it seems to me that it is not fact. I have no agenda. I like Manziel and was happy when we drafted. Before McCown went on his unthinkable hot streak I wanted Manziel to play. What happened with the girlfriend is very unclear. The more relevant thing, to me, is that Manziel was drinking. That does not seem wise at all.
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He was drinking and passing people "at a high rate of speed" on the shoulder. I can't believe some here who are giving this guy ANOTHER pass! I mean, I guess it's the same mentality that makes Steelers fans cheer for Rothlesberger and Ravens fans to honor Ray Lewis. I thought we were better than that, but I guess not...
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You can use that quote to further an agenda, but it seems to me that it is not fact. I have no agenda. I like Manziel and was happy when we drafted. Before McCown went on his unthinkable hot streak I wanted Manziel to play. What happened with the girlfriend is very unclear. The more relevant thing, to me, is that Manziel was drinking. That does not seem wise at all. Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sounds as if you had the agenda, more like the media.
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He wasn't "drinking and passing" He was not drinking and driving. He had a drink at lunch. The cops didn't even breath test him.
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Knowing the source I'm not putting much thought. A lot is unknown here.
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He wasn't "drinking and passing" He was not drinking and driving. He had a drink at lunch. The cops didn't even breath test him. So stone cold sober he passed "at high speed" on the shoulder? I do that every day, no big deal. I'm sure if he had killed someone you'd be fine because he wasn't intoxicated anymore...unbelieveable.
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You have an obvious negative bias/agenda against Manziel in every post you make. So I really can't take you seriously.
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The police report says this: "During the ride back, she did state that Mr. Manziel pushed her head against the glass of the car 5 minutes prior to getting into Avon and in an interview with Ptl. Layne she stated that Mr. Manziel did hit her a couple times in the car." This is strange. Obviously if Manziel hit his girlfriend, he should be in some serious trouble. But why were they allowed to drive off together if she accused him of hitting her? Normally wouldn't he just be detained as a precaution? Manziel is making poor choices (again) by even having this woman in his life. Professionally speaking, this sort of thing happens ALL the time. And no, he wouldn't be detained as a precaution because there would be no legal basis to do so. He was detained long enough for officers to determine if a crime had been committed (or at least if there was enough evidence one had). Its not against the law to have an argument.
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What a disappointment...
I believe the Browns will wash their hands of Manziel after this. They can not depend on him to keep his word and this time, he more than likely will be talking to Goodell, maybe suspended by the NFL this time.
At least now the Browns know what next year draft priority will be...a QB.
Note to our GM...don't draft alcoholics.
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What a disappointment...
I believe the Browns will wash their hands of Manziel after this. They can not depend on him to keep his word and this time, he more than likely will be talking to Goodell, maybe suspended by the NFL this time.
At least now the Browns know what next year draft priority will be...a QB.
Note to our GM...don't draft alcoholics. 
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You have an obvious negative bias/agenda against Manziel in every post you make. So I really can't take you seriously. My bias makes his behavior any less reckless? My only agenda is that I feel like he's a detriment to this team on and off the field.
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You bash him every chance you get, in every thread. So yes, it renders your opinion as biased and non relevant. I don't value your "opinion" because you have an obvious agenda.
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