DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Johnny Manziel pulled over during domestic argument, admits to drinking

Suspended for what? Having his name in a police report as the subject of an alleged assault, to which there was no actual evidence of? People have wanted Johnny to be a 'regular person'.. this kind of stuff happens to people all the time.

Right...he's a train wreck because I don't like him. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for your unbiased opinion. LOL

I have done this when I was younger. Traffic was stopped, and I could go down the shoulder to the turn lane, and did so. Maybe even once I might have done so during a "driving argument" with someone who I just could not wait to get out of my car and away from. I am not saying that it was right, because it was not, but man, I have seen a lot of people do this ..... and I cannot believe that some here have not admitted to it. I also cannot believe that anyone who has been driving for more than 5 years, and who has ever dated or been married, been employed by someone who abused that employer relationship, and so on, has never "driven angry".

To me, that is not a condemning action. It was wrong, and dangerous, but a lot depends on the circumstances. For example, if traffic was stopped, and he passed on the right at 20 MPH, that would be a high rate of speed to a stopped car.

Further, it sounds like they went out for lunch, and he had a couple of drinks, and she had a lot more. I am unsure, given the way her story kept changing, and the reports of witnesses, if he "attacked" her, or tried to keep her from exiting the car, maybe even while the car was still moving. There seemed to be a complete lack of physical evidence, except for abrasions on her wrist, which seemed to be consistent with him either trying to stop her from jumping out of the car.

This seems to me like a bad situation, because they made a bad decision to stay together. They seem to be a poor match. He seems to want to move past the partying stage, and seems to have done just that ...... and she seems to want to continue to drink to excess. This is only based on this one incident, but if she wants to drink to excess while with him, then perhaps they should not be together.

I have been in relationships that were poor decisions on my part ...... ones I should have left long before I did. In some cases I consider myself lucky that I got out before anything bad happened, even while acknowledging that I stayed in these relationships for longer than I should have.

If one or both need help, then I pray they get it. In many ways, this story seems to be overblown, mainly because Manziel had a coupe of drinks, was not intoxicated, but was pulled over and had a slight smell of alcohol on him, but did not appear, in any way, to be impaired. She however, according to the report, changed her story several times, and was inebriated, and was almost arrested for non-compliance.

I don't know what truly happened. It does seem like some of this was blown out of proportion, but it is a concern given his history. I hope that they each get whatever help they need, and I hope that they decide to go their separate ways, as it seems like they are a poor match.

Fixed that for ya!

I have always felt Johnny having a drink wasnt a problem but Johnny not knowing how to enjoy himself without being hammered was his problem. He also isnt the first to have an argument with his girlfriend.

If this had been any other player on the Browns roster its a nonstory.

yea. he is a hero!!!!!!!

Seems to me that if this girl really cared for Johnny she would be doing what she can to encourage his sobriety instead she has had 3 Crown and cokes by 2 pm?

When will Browns have had enough of Johnny Manziel?


Pat McManamon, ESPN Staff Writer
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"It probably looked more interesting than it was."

These are the words Johnny Manziel used to explain his latest incident that, according to a police report, involved an argument with his girlfriend, passing another car on an interstate while driving on the shoulder at a high rate of speed, driving across several lanes to exit the interstate at the same high speed and pushing his girlfriend's face into the car window while he drove as the two argued.

Manziel and Colleen Crowley pulled over in Avon, Ohio, and were questioned by police after 911 calls were placed about their behavior.

The facts, as presented in the police report, of what happened Monday are concerning. Plain and simple.

The focus will be on Manziel's admission of drinking, because he spent 10 weeks in a treatment facility in the offseason. However, he never has said why he voluntarily went to the Caron Treatment Center, nor has he detailed his aftercare and whether he has been counseled not to drink.

Police determined Manziel was not intoxicated. He and Crowley were allowed to leave together. But the way he drove put himself, Crowley and anyone else on that highway at serious risk.

Questions no doubt will follow, but there is one key question for the Cleveland Browns: When will they have had enough?

The Browns have chosen to not berate Manziel publicly, but to deal with him privately. That can be questioned; the word "enabling" comes to mind, though we also don't know what the team is doing privately. The collective bargaining agreement also limits what the team can do.

Manziel could be made inactive Sunday, but when Justin Gilbert was involved in an alleged road rage incident that had several people calling 911 reporting Gilbert and another car were racing down a different highway, the Browns handled it internally.

Manziel was not charged, arrested or even tested for alcohol.

Since the day Manziel was drafted, he has had his share of off-field distractions. He seemingly had put those distractions on the shelf this season after his rehab stint.

But his rookie-year troubles included the rolled-up bill in the bathroom and the floating swan and then security rousting him from bed the morning before the season finale because he was sleeping after being out late the night before.

Manziel said he looked like a "jackass" for those late-season actions, then said his future actions had to speak louder than his words.

Now we have this: Allegedly arguing with his girlfriend and endangering the lives of others, then tweeting that "it looked more interesting than it was."

This latest incident in no way, shape or form diminishes the efforts Manziel made in treatment, or the respect he deserves for going. But what happened Monday does raise concerns, again, about his choices.

To say it looked more interesting than it was?

For a guy trying to get and keep his life together, it's a red flag, bright and persistent as the lights on top of the police cars that pulled up to Manziel on Monday afternoon.

j/c:

I find this news a little disappointing given the fact that he was in rehab this summer, but I also think that many are overblowing the severity of the incident.

It's odd how so many who defend Gordon despite the fact that his transgressions have been far more severe and more frequent then turn around and get all high and mighty about Manziel.

and how those like myself who has been accused of hating Johnny want to wait till the facts are all out before giving up on the kid. or blowing things out of proportion

Very overblown. Manziel has never been charged with a crime just a dumb kid who partied a little too hard. And now he got in a fight with his socialite girlfriend who tried to jump out of a moving car. Another public black eye for Johnny? yes. But reading this board you would think him a multiple felon.

Why would he be in the NFL substance abuse program? Has he broken league rules? violated the leagues substance rules in the past? He has no strikes with the NFL in the past unlike Gordon, and he wasn't charged with anything. What would they suspend him for? Getting in a fight with his girlfriend?

I thought it was Johnny's decision to enter rehab? I didn't realize that the NFL made him go into rehab?

I also did not realize that he was in the "NFL's substance abuse program." It's amazing the things I learn when reading this board.

I also didn't know that it was confirmed that Johnny was in rehab for alcohol. Heck, I never heard any information about why he was in there. It's nice to know that guys on this board have inside sources that can tell exactly what is going on.

We should be able to get a first for JM and Gordon this off season. Dump both off. Two birds with one stone.

jc...

To me, the police report shows no wrongdoing with Johnny in regards to his girlfriend. It read to me like he was preventing his drunk girlfriend from trying to exit both, at different points, a moving vehicle and a parked vehicle. D4L, I'm not sure if you and I read the same thing.

I find the bigger issue to be with him just being a crap magnet. I read in this thread from a few posters that this was no big deal, perhaps not that uncommon. In my 40 years, living in several states, meeting and knowing a large circle of people, I've never known anything like this happen to one single person. Crap magnets attract crap. I thought we were passed this with Manziel.

A few other takeaways:

--Cops have to spend a lot of time writing reports. What a crap part of the job.

--Did someone use the term fracas? Another great word.

--When I read Manziel was driving a Nissan I thought "can't he afford something better" until I read GTR.

--A poster on another board I go to who has posted several accurate pieces of inside information about the Browns in the past before it became public said emphatically that Manziel was not in rehab for alcohol.

This may be a big deal and it may be nothing at all. Impossible to say based on what we know.
I do believe that Johnny was NOT drunk, because even if the cop was a dawg-pounder, he would never let a drunk drive away.
The kid is young, probably a hot head and his girlfriend is clearly one. He's got to avoid these situations, but this does not mean he's back to where he was a year ago.
The Kruger part is interesting. His girlfriend seems to not like Kruger, who is his neighbor and probably tries to keep him out of trouble.

Well, isn't THAT special???

Again with the Manziel crap. So tired of this.

j/c



So in the same paragraph the writer suggests that our private dealings with Manziel is "enabling" him even though the writer has no idea what the team has done and what the CBA allows them to do.

When will this FO do what's best for the team?

well i cant prove it but it was funny how the big browns meeting ended on that tuesday and wendsday morning johnny was in rehab.



NFL declines to say whether Manziel is in league’s substance-abuse program

While Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel is seeking treatment for undisclosed personal issues, it is not known if that places him in the NFL’s substance-abuse program.

“The medical professionals in charge of the program make those decisions and it is confidential,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT’s Mike Florio on Monday when asked if Manziel was in the substance-abuse program.

According to the NFL’s substance-abuse policy as agreed to by the league and the NFLPA, the NFL can place a player in the program due to “behavior . . . which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of misuse of Substances of Abuse.”

Such behavior, according to the policy, is “including but not limited to an arrest or conduct related to an alleged misuse of Substances of Abuse occurring up to two (2) football seasons prior to the Player’s applicable scouting combine.”

Also, players are able to place themselves into the substance-abuse program, per NFL rules.

According to ESPN The Magazine, Manziel was made to take alcohol counseling by his parents and Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin after the quarterback was arrested in an altercation in June 2012. Manziel was a first-round pick of the Browns in May 2014.

The league’s substance-abuse policy is governed by some confidentiality rules — and some strict ones, too, especially regarding information that has not been properly cleared to be released. In short, all we know is that if the NFL wants to place a player in the program, it has the ability to to do so.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-abuse-program/

it would not surprise me if he was. and then on top of it he had this pic floating around.





i never thought he was in rehab for alcohol. see pic above.

[quote=Versatile Dog]I thought it was Johnny's decision to enter rehab? I didn't realize that the NFL made him go into rehab?

vers...Just where did anyone say the NFL made him go to rehab?




I also did not realize that he was in the "NFL's substance abuse program." It's amazing the things I learn when reading this board.

vers...Where did anyone say Manziel was in the NFL's substance abuse program?



I also didn't know that it was confirmed that Johnny was in rehab for alcohol. Heck, I never heard any information about why he was in there. It's nice to know that guys on this board have inside sources that can tell exactly what is going on.

vers...Based on the research I've done on Manziel, he's had a drinking problem since High School. While Johnny was at A&M, his father went public about concerns about how Johnny handles pressure and stress..he drinks, his father said.

Johnny may have a drug problem in addition to his long term drinking problem..I hope not, because it would just compound the problems that he is dealing with.




vers...you seem to have "misinterpreted" what I wrote...

"So, if an alcoholic falls off the wagon, which it looks like Manziel did by admitting to taking two drinks...does he go back to rehab?

If the NFL is involved and Johnny is in the NFL's substance abuse program, he may be subject to a suspension by the NFL."

I used the word IF...if Manziel is an alcoholic...if the NFL is involved.

IMHO, he's most likely an alcoholic.

I had a feeling that something like this was coming. I just couldn't get comfortable with the idea that this kid would actually not slowly rewind into his old ways. I have no doubt since his rehab he has for the most part felt bored and even depressed with his life. This is a major reason so many people relapse.

As for Gordon I think cutting ties with him would be for the best

Agree on this one. You don't spend months in rehab and then start "social drinking" not long after release. WTF was he thinking when he took that first drink after rehab? I wonder just when that was. He has to know that there are a million vultures waiting to pounce when word gets out about that first sip, and you have to be an idiot to think you can keep it a secret. It doesn't matter if his BAL was zero when pulled over. He's a rehab grad that's relapsed.

Did I miss something, was it CONFIRMED JM was in rehab for being alcoholic? It certainly could look that way, or substance abuse, possible, or a control issue, maybe. Or all of the above.
I don't remember a reason as FACT. People assume alcohol was the issue & he was put on a lifetime ban. What if that was not the case.
Can't he enjoy a glass of wine or a beer with lunch if he was never restricted?
He wasn't impaired, and the only thing he's guilty of in the eye of the law, is hanging out with a tipsy, overdramatic gal.
I'm not even sure he was ticketed for a traffic violation.

People might want to think back to when they were in their early 20's, & remember how many weird immature people they had sitting in their passenger seat.

Demo people are just ASSUMING. Nobody knows why Johnny was in rehab.

Johnny may have been in rehab for something else, but there's no question alcohol was a FACTOR in his downward spiral ... for him to partake (even socially) this soon after his release shows me he doesn't get it.

I'm done with him. Play McCown. Draft someone. Try again.

People don't go to inpatient rehab for that amount of time for "control issues". Substance abuse was obviously a major component. No rehab program I know of teaches "social use" of alcohol. Permanent abstention is the only effective method for treating substance abuse issues (one could argue that methadone or suboxone aren't true abstention). It would also be foolish to assume this incident was the first drink he's taken since leaving rehab.

I've always like your posts, you speak well. (Another good one!)

I HATE crap like this.
Either write a news article, or put your crap in an op-ed. News should be separate from conjecture and opinion. This b.s. blending of the two has KILLED real news.

Did I mention that I HATE this?

two words. "Austin Davis"

Thanks! It doesn't hurt that I have a lot of work experience in this area.

You're welcome.

I am a recovering addict myself - it'll be 20 years clean & sober for me in January.

In layman's term's Johnny's back on the sauce. It bums me out, but such is life sometimes.

He used a fake break-up motif to attempt to leave rehab early and frequently blames the girlfriend for most problems. This was noted earlier.

we'll see

20 miles is not a "high rate of speed". I don't care if you are stopped and driving on the shoulder is not some minor thing it's extremely dangerous to yourself and others, especially at 90 miles which is what is claimed in some reports.