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If they are "lined up," then the people doing the hiring obviously think they are better.

...but perhaps less obvious to us.

Can I enlighten you completely..... no sorry I can't. Can I enlighten you some... yes. Have I ever met him and talked with him yes. Have I ever been to his house or out for a drink with him no. Do I know a lot of people that work with and around him now and in the past yes.

We really need to get you into a pub for an evening and ply you with sufficient "spirits" (no, not you Bro77) to loosen your tongue. Of course, then you'd probably have to kill us...

bone, Farmer did find a QB. Pettine won't play him.

sure he is. where you get that from?

I see what you did there and I agree to a degree.

But if you make that statement, then it asks the question who made the call on Manziel, no?

it asks the question if his elbow is healed enough to become the full time starter. notice he has not been off the injury list all year?

Won't play him makes it sound like Johnny should be the starter based on merit and Petne is not playing him due to an agenda .... is that your intended inference or believe?

I don't think Pettine wants anything to do with Manziel. I think this will come out before the end of the season. If the losses continue to mount, I think we will be hearing about this sometime around the bye. Haslam is going to be forced to choose between the two.

I see no long-term vision for this team. I am starting to really fear their long-term vision is Davis at QB. I understand the coaches job is to win, but shouldn't there be a long-term vision for this team as well...that Haslam, Farmer, and Pettine are all on board with and executing in consensus with each other? In that case, wins and losses should be secondary. I just don't get where the franchise is going. I don't see anything done to prepare Manziel to be starter except watching McCown. I don't think that's enough. I think the organization should be making a concerted effort to develop Manziel.

But hey he's taking mental reps.

He was doing so well that they selected a QB with the #1 pick. The Saints did not trade for Brees. He was a free agent, the Dolphins rejected him in favor of Culpepper. That is luck.



He was lucky a guy who was just picked in the second round was available.



If Schneider believed in Wilson so much, why didn't he take him in the first round? Also, the Seahawks almost took Andy Dalton in the first round, so obviously he was ranked higher than Wilson.

j/c..

Here's another perspective on Farmer and Pettine's future.

Mike Pettine is Ray Farmer’s Fall Guy

10/21/2015 By Justin Higdon
Twenty-two questions. When a beleaguered Mike Pettine took center stage to address the media Monday following his team’s Week Six overtime loss to Denver, he opened by saying he wasn’t willing to delve too deeply into backup quarterback Johnny Manziel’s alcohol/domestic/reckless driving-related encounter with police last week. As soon as Pettine finished his statement, members of the media proceeded to ask the Cleveland head coach 22 consecutive questions about Manziel’s situation – one that had resulted in no charges, citations, or even field-sobriety testing – before posing a single, football-related query.

Among other things, Pettine was peppered about why Manziel was left active against the Broncos, whether he had been punished, the severity of the punishment, his alcohol consumption, and whether the Browns believed that he may have been physically abusive to his girlfriend (police determined that this was inconclusive). The press also asked Pettine whether Cleveland’s brass had discussed owner Jimmy Haslam, general manager Ray Farmer, or team president Alec Scheiner addressing the media instead of, or in addition to the coach. “No,” Pettine replied. When pressed about whether or not he was comfortable acting as the team’s voice on the matter, he responded again with a “no.”

pettine bummedAfter assuming the worst about the Manziel report since it first surfaced last Friday, the Cleveland media arrived at Monday’s presser demanding a pound of flesh. But instead of getting the satisfaction of knowing precisely how the troubled, second-year quarterback was dealt with, they received Pettine on a platter. The coach’s opening remarks indicated that he knew what was coming, and while he clearly became annoyed by the end of the 22-question barrage, he gamely stood in and faced the music.

But perhaps this was an easier line of questioning for Pettine to answer than one strictly based on his team’s play Sunday. After all, with Manziel’s history of substance abuse treatment, and the ongoing NFL review of this latest run-in, Pettine certainly wasn’t at liberty to say much. He didn’t like the questions about Manziel’s off-the-field behavior, but he was able to swat most of them aside in the name of privacy and “family business.”

The media eventually did ask Pettine about his ill-fated two point conversion attempt, and his grossly incompetent run defense, but they almost seemed tuckered out by then. The bigger names in attendance had already started their Manziel-themed columns about accountability, and had all they needed after the first 22 questions. And, truth be told, it’s tough to fault anyone for going this route currently – especially those who’ve covered the team since 1999 – because the other articles have been written hundreds of times already.

Twenty-two games into his coaching career, Pettine has a 9-13 record, tied with Butch Davis for the best 22-game start of any Browns coach since The Return. For the third time this season and the sixth time in his tenure, Cleveland lost in the closing moments of the game. The people at Waiting for Next Year concluded that this is the 42nd such loss since 1999. The Browns are on track to finish dead last in rushing yardage allowed for the second year in a row, and 23rd in the league or worse in the same category for the 15th time in 17 years.

Off-the field issues aren’t even new ground, really. Long before Manziel, there was Jeremiah Pharms, a 2001 fifth round pick, who was arrested just after the draft for pistol-whipping a drug dealer while in college at Washington. Later in 2001, in two separate incidents that took place hours apart, first round pick Gerard Warren was arrested for carrying an unlicensed firearm, and fullback Mike Sellers and cornerback Lamar Chapman were charged with cocaine-related offenses. Two years later, 2002 first round running back William Green was stabbed in the back by his fiancé. Kellen Winslow wrecked his knee and his motorcycle in a parking lot accident. Donte Stallworth was suspended the entire 2009 season after being charged with DUI manslaughter. And of course, Josh Gordon is currently serving the third substance abuse-related suspension of his young career. It’s almost impossible to imagine an organization being this bad in this many ways for so long.

Why dig up the past? To illustrate that Pettine is expendable. The product on the field may be slightly more competitive, but is otherwise similar to the one served in years past. While the coach and his staff cannot be blamed for the sins of past regimes, his fingerprints are all over this one. The constant quarterback questions, the lousy defense, the underperforming first round picks, the run-ins with the law – they’ve all been present the past two years.

It’s possible that moving on from defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil will be a strong enough move to shake things up. But personnel moves, playing time, and the texting incident that led to Farmer’s recently completed four-game suspension all suggest that the general manager and Pettine have never fully been on the same page. Considering that the head coach was hired about three weeks before Farmer was named GM, this makes some sense. He has never been given an opportunity to hire his own guy to coach the team.

Still, it appears as though Farmer has provided Pettine with players who fit the coach’s wish list. The team signed Josh McCown to be the veteran starting quarterback the coach favors. They added Karlos Dansby in the middle of the defense. Farmer drafted Justin Gilbert, and then signed Tramon Williams when it became clear that Pettine had become fed up with Gilbert. Farmer drafted Danny Shelton to shore up the run defense up front. He drafted Cam Erving for offensive line depth, and he traded for punter Andy Lee to help with field position. These are pieces specifically suited for the style of football Pettine wants to play, and still the Browns are 3-10 in their last 13 games dating back to last season. They haven’t strung together consecutive wins since beating Cincinnati on Thursday night, November 6th of last year.

As things stand today, Pettine is set up to take the fall. He’s currently answering to a general manager who did not hire him, but who can say he provided Pettine with the types of players the coach needed for his brand of football. And still Pettine and his staff are letting winnable games slip through their fingers. This week, Pettine was thrown to the wolves to face another man’s music, but eventually – barring a dramatic turnaround – he will be left facing his own.

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[quote]I don't think Pettine wants anything to do with Manziel. I think this will come out before the end of the season.[/quote}

I think you need to wash your hands because your elbow deep reaching into your own backside buddy.

Look bro I like you, but your so far off base it not even close.

Instead of answering in a cryptic fashion tell us what you know.

I doubt he really knows anything.

Uh oh...

I know there are no problems between Pet and Johnny. I know some people keep making up crap around here about there being problems.

I know 1+1 = 3 bro.

I'm sure Pettine likes Manziel as a person and has a certain amount of sympathy for his current plight.

I don't think Pettine likes Manziel as his QB. I don't think Pettine is doing anything to develop Manziel or get him ready to play.

What is our long term plan at QB? That's all I care about right now. I just want to solve the QB position.

The guy they drafted in the first round last year is taking mental reps in practice all week throwing an imaginary football and sharing scout team reps with our latest version of a teacher's pet in Austin Davis. We talk so much about a third string QB it really makes me wonder what the hell is going on Berea.

What is our long term plan at QB?

Meanwhile, at this point next year we are going to be worse than the Jaguars. Bortles didn't earn the starting job this year with his play last year. But it looks like all that experience is starting to pay off. The Jaguars had a plan. The Browns don't. I look to the future and don't see this misery ever ending because Manziel throwing imaginary footballs in practice and splitting scout team reps with a third string QB doesn't sound like much of a plan to me.

As long as Farmer is drafting this franchise will never see a playoff game

Exactly

Not taking side here ' But if he really Likes Johnny , I would hate to be on Pettine's crap list ! lol

Being the Head Coach of a Bottom Feeding Team is a super tough job . You could make the best case for Pettine is that he puts Johnny in before the season ends and he falls flat on his face ( cam say , told you so )

If John rises to the occasion , Dawgs will jump on him for not starting him sooner .. Tough spot ..

Haslam is the one who will be rolling the dice when the season ends ..

I told everybody what their plan was after Johnny was drafted. I told everybody again before this season, and I told everybody yet again not long ago. Y'all just don't want to hear it. Geez I feel like some of you guys wives getting tuned out when I speak.


(Just shake your head and say yes dear)

BTW your signature is very apropo

#gmstrong

#villageidiot

I clearly am one of those. I totally missed it. Would you mind repeating it one last time? I promise to pay attention.

So the plan was to sit Manziel for two years.

That's just dumb and a waste of years for the other guys.

Only the Browns.

I'm not surprised. I mean...Browns. At this point nothing else needs to be said.

In a dome?

if this is continuity.....i don't want any part of it.

we are undisciplined as hell. stop making excuses for pettine.

Farmer and Pettine needs to go. Farmer can't draft, Pettine can't coach.

Pretty much sums it up, neither are qualified for their positions. This isn't on the job training

But our board insider says that Farmer is learning things he didn't know!

Exactly. The crappy players that Farmer has assembled don't WANT to play for Pettine. It is clear that they do NOT believe in this coaching staff. Reboot it at the end of the season. Start Manziel (a directive from Haslam) and let's just see what is going on. If Pettine doesn't start him, FIRE him immediately. Enough already.

NO! Do not hit the reset button!

There are plenty of players on this team to build on. Give Pettine and Company more time to figure it out. I know it's painful but I think it's for the best. JMHO

I don't think that is clear at all. It seems, to me, that the team has played hard so far this year. They just aren't being put in the position to succeed.

Fair enough. Please tell me who on this roster starts for another NFL team? Then ask yourself who put this roster together. THAT guys needs to be fired. Then tell me who is in charge of putting these guys in a position to succeed. THAT guys needs to be FIRED. NOW. Enough of this crap already. This team sucks.

Lots of them.



Can we fire Mangini, Banner, and Heckert again?

Everything you posted is true, I guess it is just a mater of perspective.



It is luck for New Orleans, as when they picked him up, they didn't know how well his shoulder would be, and a part of why San Diego didn't keep him and chose to push forward with Rivers. Would San Diego have made the SB with Brees? No one knows, but we know they still haven't with Rivers.




You don't think it was luck that Atlanta was willing to part with Farve just 1 year after drafting him?



How many third round QBs are sure things? heck how many first round QBs are sure things? Anytime you draft a player there is a bit of luck involved, especially when it is a third round QB.


So while everything you say is correct, I believe there is luck involved for things to fall into place as they had.

Really, why continue with this BS?

How's Bowe working out for you Ray? Amari Cooper (2015), Mike Evans(2014) weren't worthy of drafting?