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I don't think we should cut Gordon. I would just never count on him.

Look, my point is that it's a bottom line business. Guys like Marshall and Crab are contributing. Bowe is not.

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Oh Marshall is a hell of a player. I can't argue with that at all, BUT he is a head case who I would not want to be around our young guys.


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Would have been better off to keep Pryor and cut Bowe

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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Oh Marshall is a hell of a player. I can't argue with that at all, BUT he is a head case who I would not want to be around our young guys.


Marshall used to be a head case.

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Cut this LOSER now!


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In the end, however, the only loss is Haslam's cash. Bowe doesn't have anything to offer this offense at this point and the Midget Brigade is getting it done without him every bit as well as they would with him - so, it's really no big deal.


I don't think the midget brigade IS getting it done, whats our record by the way?

If they were "getting it done" don't you think we would have more wins?

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The Browns have the shortest group of starting WRS in the NFL.
I mean 30 years ago it worked with the Houston Gamblers.
That's how Farmer is building this roster. Copying from the USFL teams

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I don't think we should cut Gordon. I would just never count on him.

Look, my point is that it's a bottom line business. Guys like Marshall and Crab are contributing. Bowe is not.


That would seem to send a good message - that unless you produce you will not be here - regardless of the money..Production over Pay...seems like a good starting point


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I say activate him on game day and have him run over the middle routes every other play. It beats getting our smurfs killed. Maybe he'll give us our money back. laugh


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Maybe they need to just stop trying to win the draft, and just go get some raw guys and develop them over time. That way the people they get, still have something to prove.


I think Farmer could have just thrown a dart at the Mel Kipers "Best Player Available" board and done better than he has!

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Why does anyone even care about the Dwayne Bowe saga at this point?

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Why does anyone even care about the Dwayne Bowe saga at this point?


I think in some ways Bowe signifies Farmer's entire stint as GM


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Why does anyone even care about the Dwayne Bowe saga at this point?


I think in some ways Bowe signifies Farmer's entire stint as GM


That and the fact that Shelton isn't playing very much is a huge indictment on Farmer as well. We had four first round picks in the last two drafts and none of them are contributing.

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Why does anyone even care about the Dwayne Bowe saga at this point?


It would be nice to have that spot on the 53 taken up by someone who actually wants to get on the field to help the team.


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I'd let all the 1st round picks and Bowe play as much as possible. Let them sink or swim. What the heck we lose anyway they really can't hurt us.

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And add another large check in his pocket for standing on the sidelines.

Damn I wish I had that setup.

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That's why I say let him play Dawg. What can it hurt we are losing anyway. Make him earn what he is making. Let all our FA signings and high draft picks play see what they can do and give them experience. Heck we are out of it now anyway. Does anyone on this board think we can go 7-2 the rest of the way to make a 9-7 record? I don't. Might as well see what we have.

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Forgotten Dwayne Bowe could play vs. Cardinals with Andrew Hawkins in concussion protocol

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- With Andrew Hawkins likely to sit out the Cardinals game with his concussion, receiver Dwayne Bowe is poised to see the field Sunday after being a healthy scratch each of the last three games.

The last time Bowe played was Oct. 4 against the Chargers, but he failed to catch the one contested ball thrown to him.

Bowe, who has no receptions this season, has been active for only two of seven games this season and Ray Farmer has come under heavy fire for signing him to a two-year deal in the offseason worth $12.5 million, including $9 million guaranteed.

If not for the big guarantee, the Browns may have cut the nine-year veteran by now.

Last week, coach Mike Pettine acknowledged it might be hard for Bowe to get on the field because the top four receivers "are entrenched'' and that special teams play is the key to being active thereafter. Therefore, Marlon Moore has played ahead of him.

On Monday, Pettine said that Hawkins is in the concussion protocol, meaning he'll likely have to sit this one out. Hawkins may have suffered the concussion during a helmet-to-helmet collision with Nick Fairley after he recovered Travis Benjamin's fumble.

So far this season, Bowe, who missed most of training camp with a hamstring injury, has played a total of 12 snaps, but offensive coordinator John DeFilippo has urged him to stay ready.

"We are going to need Dwayne at some point this season."

When he was preparing to face the Chargers in week four, he vowed, "it starts Sunday. I can't wait to go out there and showcase my talent and be a ringleader for the guys and go out there and bring home a win. That's all I can ask for. If God's capable of having me out there playing, that's what I'm going to do.''

He said he didn't feel pressured to live up to the big contract.

"I don't look at it like that,'' he said. "Everything I (get) I deserve. It's just going out there proving it. It's a long season. Everybody's waiting for something to happen. I understand. I'm more ready than you guys are. But you have to be smart. I don't ever look at the contract. I look at what I did to get here. That's being a football player. Everything else will speak (for itself) after that.''

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Originally Posted By: pblack18707


"I don't look at it like that,'' he said. "Everything I (get) I deserve ... I don't ever look at the contract. I look at what I did to get here. '


Sounds like he feels entitled to the money he isn't earning based upon what he did for other teams.


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Yep. Sounds selfish. And even if he believes it, he should have known better than to say it.

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Yep. Sounds selfish. And even if he believes it, he should have known better than to say it.


He's such a pathetic joke. This signing alone is just why I have a hard time defending Ray Farmer.

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He's such a pathetic joke. This signing alone is just why I have a hard time defending Ray Farmer.


Defend him? We should defund him.


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I think some of us would sit and not play for about half the money he is sucking up. How much is it per snap? I would be making him VERY busy this week. Just unbelievable situation IMO.


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Andrew Hawkins in concussion protocol, Dwayne Bowe might play

Posted by Darin Gantt on October 28, 2015, 8:48 AM EDT

Dwayne Bowe might finally see the field this week, but only because one of the guys “entrenched” above him on the Browns depth chart might not be available.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Browns receiver Andrew Hawkins is likely to miss this week’s game against the Cardinals after sustaining a concussion, which opens the door for Bowe to actually have a role this week.

Bowe has been a healthy scratch the last three weeks, and didn’t catch the one ball that was thrown to him on Oct. 4, which was the last time he played. He’s only played two games this year, and has no stats.

That’s clearly not what the Browns had in mind when they signed him to a two-year deal this offseason which included $9 million guaranteed, which is probably the only thing keeping him on the roster at all.

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Haha! too funny.

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Other practice squad WR players over 6'2"'s available;
Austin Hill - NE; Shakin Phillips - Steelers; Andrew Turzilli - 49's; DiAndre Campbell - 49's; Nick Toon - Rams; Daniel Brown - Ravens; Jake Kumerow - Bengals; Dezmin Lewis - Bills; Jordan Leslie - Jags; Rashad Lawrence - Jags ----
And that's not all of them ----- REPLACE BOWE!!!!!

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Nick Toon isn't bad.

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I like Austin Hill a lot. Liked the little bit of Dezmin Lewis I saw pre draft. Didn't he score a TD on us in preseason?

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The top post in this thread.

Well-played, sir.


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Farmer believes WRs impact the game very little.it doesn't bother him that Bowe is dead weight

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Force Dwayne Bowe to return punts...have him get rocked a few times while preserving Benji's body...When Dwayne Bowe complains or refuses...I'm sure there's language in that contract somewhere to where that money can't be fully guaranteed if the player is refusing to play

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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Farmer believes WRs impact the game very little.it doesn't bother him that Bowe is dead weight


The thing that doesn't make sense is the money paid to a player who doesn't impact the game. Farmer is an idiot...and that is being nice. He will be gone after this year if Haslam intends to move the team forward.


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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Farmer believes WRs impact the game very little.


To be fair, ours do impact the game very little. Of course, Farmer has made sure of that.

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When I watch Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr (ALL guys we could have had) ... they most CERTAINLY affect the game (at least WAY more than Gilbert, Johnny, Shelton, or Cam Erving have) ... at the VERY least they alter coverages


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In fairness, the Steelers seem to find receivers all throughout the draft, kind of advocating Farmer's position as opposed to the idea that you have to draft them high.

Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick, IIRC. Also on the Steelers is Wheaton, a 3rd rounder, and Bryant, a 4th rounder. Their other receiver is Hayward-Bay, who was a bust in Oakland.

The Steelers are actually an endorsement of Farmer's approach.


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Nick Toon? Al Toon's son???



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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
In fairness, the Steelers seem to find receivers all throughout the draft, kind of advocating Farmer's position as opposed to the idea that you have to draft them high.

Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick, IIRC. Also on the Steelers is Wheaton, a 3rd rounder, and Bryant, a 4th rounder. Their other receiver is Hayward-Bay, who was a bust in Oakland.

The Steelers are actually an endorsement of Farmer's approach.


No, the Browns formula for filling our WR needs is "nothing like" the Steelers and Steelers approach is not an endorsement of Farmer's approach.

The Steelers have three 3rd round draft picks, plus a 4th and a 6th rounder on their roster...all drafted by the Steelers. Five of the seven WRs listed on the Steelers roster were drafted by the Steelers...the only WR drafted by another team and signed by the Steelers as a free agent pick up is Heyward-Bey, who was originally drafted in the 1st round of the 2009 draft by the Raiders.

The Steelers actually do build their team via the draft and WR corp is but one example.

The Browns, under Farmer show no wrs drafted by Farmer. The Browns WR corp consists of 4 free agent pickups and only one WR drafted by the Browns, Travis Benjamin in the 4th round of 2012, before Farmer took over.

The Browns like to talk like the Steelers, saying they believe in building via the draft, but under Farner, he would rather sign someone elses free agent than spend a draft pick on a wr.

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