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You haven't because it doesn't fit the mindset of our current societal framework. I can go on and on about teachers being bitten, knocked down, kicked, bones broken, glasses broken, clothing torn, called fuc***, hair, ripped out and in one case, a broken jaw. But districts do nothing because administration runs like a puppy with their tail between their legs after being threatened by the societal bully of entitled people. If a teacher dare threaten action individually, their job is threatened. This is the current mindset of our society...blame authority and enable reprehensible behavior. I worked in education for 32 years and never had any issue of this nature. However, I saw many, many colleagues leave the profession because of a lack of protection and support, among other things. Our society is so incredibly backward. We are traveling a dangerous path and our youth will suffer the ramifications. As long as we excuse and justify ignorance, whatever the reason, we will wallow in the depths of conflict and unrest.
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Agreed. But it's not just the youth that will suffer. (on a side note, watching that, then watching a bunch of other videos about violence in class rooms......wow).
Microwave society: I want it, and I want it now.
And there's too much "glamour" involved in bucking authority. From cops, to teachers, authority figures are under attack. Too little respect given.
Not taught at home. Not modeled at home. Too many are of the opinion "I'll do what I want, when I want. And I better get mine."
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Now how about we consider the reasons the officer didn't understand when and how to restrain. Is it because he relies on a guaranteed paycheck regardless of his behavior?  Guess not because he has no paycheck now. Well, I suppose there could be an entire host of excuses as some have made for the student in this case. Yet, it does not make it right. My question to you is what would have happened had this student complied with relinquishing her phone for the class and leaving the classrrom as she had been asked three times? I Are we really at a point in this country when simple requests like this must become a major issue? Are we really at a point in this country where people make their own choices regardless of rules and laws and video the consequences for a few moments of getting noticed? We need people with common sense to speak up here. This is sad, disgusting and destructive, to say the least.
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couldnt pay me enough to be a teacher these days...
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I just want us all to think about what might have happened if this student simplu complied with the first three requests.
Will this student's resilience carry her through her life, perhaps college? Or, will she expect everything, including good grades and a degeee to be handed to her since she now obviously believes she has to follow no rules except her own and she may defy anyone she chooses.
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I just want us all to think about what might have happened if this student simplu complied with the first three requests.
Will this student's resilience carry her through her life, perhaps college? Or, will she expect everything, including good grades and a degeee to be handed to her since she now obviously believes she has to follow no rules except her own and she may defy anyone she chooses. You really don't want a Conservative's opinion on this because the Liberal/Progressives can't hear it anyway.
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Oh I would either want two other people there to witness it OR have them video tape it to make sure there is no abuse.
I had a witness to my paddling in school! But it was the principals wife. Ya know, the same guy who did the paddling. Not very effective  I was a straight A student until that event. My grades went down in the 2 years following until I left the school. Then they went back to A's. I wasn't concerned with my school work anymore. I just didn't want to get in trouble. We had kids paddled for chewing gum. We had kids paddled because their parents couldn't afford belts for their pants, but some of their pants had belt loops. Because same parents couldn't afford other pants. If this all sounds normal to you then I don't know what to say... Paddled by the Principal, with the Principals wife as a witness, over something the principals kid said. Sounds like that school needs to fire a principal to me. We had kids paddled for chewing gum. We had kids paddled because their parents couldn't afford belts for their pants, but some of their pants had belt loops. Because same parents couldn't afford other pants. See my comments above about the Principal bro. None of that crap sounds normal to me
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I think the teacher is at fault for not slowly and calmly counting to three, and in a even nicer tone of voice reminding the student of the possibility of a threatened time out 
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We have heard about it. It was all over the news and social media.
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Now how about we consider the reasons the officer didn't understand when and how to restrain. Is it because he relies on a guaranteed paycheck regardless of his behavior? Guess not because he has no paycheck now. But he would if he had only chosen the proper way to handle the situation instead of feeling entitled to manhandle a teenage girl for not giving up her phone.
What part of our society encourages his violence, not disruption, but violence?
Maybe it's the feeling of entitlement to act as judge and jury merely because you have a badge. Maybe it's because he believes the problem of society is that a group of people who have very little are actually entitled.Well, I suppose there could be an entire host of excuses as some have made for the student in this case. Yet, it does not make it right. Only if you insist on calling reasons "excuses" and refuse to consider both sides of the conflict. IMO there was a roomful and probably more of individuals who were wrong, but we're still insisting the problem is the child. A child who has reason to believe the law is prejudiced against her.
Why would she believe that?My question to you is what would have happened had this student complied with relinquishing her phone for the class and leaving the classrrom as she had been asked three times? I The answer is obvious. No conflict. What would have happened if the officer had handled the situation of a child misbehaving without violently yanking her out of her desk, throwing her to the ground and handcuffing her? My guess is this video would not exist.
You keep talking about people making excuses for a child misbehaving, but it seems there are more examples of excuses for the officer on this thread.
How is this not a conflict between 2?Are we really at a point in this country when simple requests like this must become a major issue? Are we really at a point in this country where people make their own choices regardless of rules and laws and video the consequences for a few moments of getting noticed? Would it have become a major issue if the officer had handled the situation by following the law? I'm wondering what excuses are being offered for him being fired. Was his boss a 16 year old girl?
Yes we are at a point when people make their own choices regardless of rules and laws. We've been there forever. Why do you think we have a justice system? Because nobody breaks the law?
What law was being broken in this case?
She was an annoying child refusing to comply. Find the law against that please and then find the correct consequence for breaking that law to see if it involves violent enforcement.
Again, as long as people insist on calling reasons for her behavior excuses without providing reasons for the other, VERY APPARENT and extremely inappropriate behavior of the response of the other person in this conflict then we're just engaging in nonsense.We need people with common sense to speak up here. I'm trying, but it requires common sense responses from you too.This is sad, disgusting and destructive, to say the least. Absolutely.
But if you want to ask for solutions to a societal problem while refusing to acknowledge the whole problem then you are part of the problem.
I know the problems teachers encounter because they are now forbidden by law to use corporal punishment. These are the same educators who know the limitations and consequences of corporal punishment on any student other than a normally compliant one.
If you want to paddle compliance into a child who receives or sees corporal punishment regularly then eventually you'll need to up the ante and probably end up with prisons full of what were once non-compliant students.
We are currently in that sad and destructive situation and the obvious result has made the situation worse.
I would really appreciate someone explaining how people who are living in the poorest conditions this country has to offer, and yes it's better than living in some of the other countries, feel more entitled than the people who insist on calling these people entitled.
Also, why is this imaginary entitlement often being offered as the cause of problems in this country?
Is our society so broken that we're continually willing to place the blame on the least entitled citizens?
Common sense doesn't fit that opinion.
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I think the teacher is at fault for not slowly and calmly counting to three, and in a even nicer tone of voice reminding the student of the possibility of a threatened time out The actual reality, and you can check it out for yourself, is that students are removed from the school. The urban schools have a serious situation to deal with. They don't have the resources to deal with students who have little to no resources. I seriously doubt a timeout would be effective. So yea, student behavior is a problem, but if you insist on calling a kid with no resources "entitled" then offer the evidence of that entitlement other than bad behavior. Are you talking about "Participation" trophies? The word "Entitled" doesn't come close to explaining behavior problems in schools. Now if you really want to see examples of entitlement then look toward the other end of the socioeconomic spectrum. The use of the idea of "entitlement" is another political opposite speak offered by resentful pundits who hate that other people get stuff. More accurately, it's powerless people they resent.
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I think by "entitled", he means, they think they don't have to live by the rules of society or listen to authority figures.
That's essentially what we are currently raising, kids who don't feel they need to listen to anyone but themselves, regardless of what they are doing or who they are being spoken to by.
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wow, that sounds like...oh i dunno, every generation of kids...ever.
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wow, that sounds like...oh i dunno, every generation of kids...ever. You must be young. Yes we tested our limits, but we also knew when not to push it because getting our ass beat was not the point we wanted to reach.
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you realize that's still the majority of my generation right? that most of us understand how the game is played.
i love this "my generation understood" nonsense,
even though the violent crime rate was HIGHER back in your day. funny ain't it?
social media got you guys thinking this is the norm, when in reality i bet the we'd find the same crap happen just as often in your generation if people had camera phones back then.
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B Now how about we consider the reasons the officer didn't understand when and how to restrain. Is it because he relies on a guaranteed paycheck regardless of his behavior? Guess not because he has no paycheck now. But he would if he had only chosen the proper way to handle the situation instead of feeling entitled to manhandle a teenage girl for not giving up her phone.
What part of our society encourages his violence, not disruption, but violence?
Maybe it's the feeling of entitlement to act as judge and jury merely because you have a badge. Maybe it's because he believes the problem of society is that a group of people who have very little are actually entitled.Well, I suppose there could be an entire host of excuses as some have made for the student in this case. Yet, it does not make it right. Only if you insist on calling reasons "excuses" and refuse to consider both sides of the conflict. IMO there was a roomful and probably more of individuals who were wrong, but we're still insisting the problem is the child. A child who has reason to believe the law is prejudiced against her.
Why would she believe that?My question to you is what would have happened had this student complied with relinquishing her phone for the class and leaving the classrrom as she had been asked three times? I The answer is obvious. No conflict. What would have happened if the officer had handled the situation of a child misbehaving without violently yanking her out of her desk, throwing her to the ground and handcuffing her? My guess is this video would not exist.
You keep talking about people making excuses for a child misbehaving, but it seems there are more examples of excuses for the officer on this thread.
How is this not a conflict between 2?Are we really at a point in this country when simple requests like this must become a major issue? Are we really at a point in this country where people make their own choices regardless of rules and laws and video the consequences for a few moments of getting noticed? Would it have become a major issue if the officer had handled the situation by following the law? I'm wondering what excuses are being offered for him being fired. Was his boss a 16 year old girl?
Yes we are at a point when people make their own choices regardless of rules and laws. We've been there forever. Why do you think we have a justice system? Because nobody breaks the law?
What law was being broken in this case?
She was an annoying child refusing to comply. Find the law against that please and then find the correct consequence for breaking that law to see if it involves violent enforcement.
Again, as long as people insist on calling reasons for her behavior excuses without providing reasons for the other, VERY APPARENT and extremely inappropriate behavior of the response of the other person in this conflict then we're just engaging in nonsense.We need people with common sense to speak up here. I'm trying, but it requires common sense responses from you too.This is sad, disgusting and destructive, to say the least. Absolutely.
But if you want to ask for solutions to a societal problem while refusing to acknowledge the whole problem then you are part of the problem.
I know the problems teachers encounter because they are now forbidden by law to use corporal punishment. These are the same educators who know the limitations and consequences of corporal punishment on any student other than a normally compliant one.
If you want to paddle compliance into a child who receives or sees corporal punishment regularly then eventually you'll need to up the ante and probably end up with prisons full of what were once non-compliant students.
We are currently in that sad and destructive situation and the obvious result has made the situation worse.
I would really appreciate someone explaining how people who are living in the poorest conditions this country has to offer, and yes it's better than living in some of the other countries, feel more entitled than the people who insist on calling these people entitled.
Also, why is this imaginary entitlement often being offered as the cause of problems in this country?
Is our society so broken that we're continually willing to place the blame on the least entitled citizens?
Common sense doesn't fit that opinion.Common sense is not only warranted and applicable but it is a must. OK, you win, let's just keep doing what we always did and getting what we always got. Makes a bunch of sense. This thread,is going nowhere. My old, out of touch, decrepid and non sensical mind cannot comprehend this nonsense. Snicker...snicker.....carry on!,,,.......
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even though the violent crime rate was HIGHER back in your day. funny ain't it?
Funny how violent crimes started dropping around the same time (mid 90's) states started enacting Concealed Carry laws. United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2014
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1960 179,323,175 3,384,200 288,460 3,095,700 9,110 17,190 107,840 154,320 912,100 1,855,400 328,200
1961 182,992,000 3,488,000 289,390 3,198,600 8,740 17,220 106,670 156,760 949,600 1,913,000 336,000
1962 185,771,000 3,752,200 301,510 3,450,700 8,530 17,550 110,860 164,570 994,300 2,089,600 366,800
1963 188,483,000 4,109,500 316,970 3,792,500 8,640 17,650 116,470 174,210 1,086,400 2,297,800 408,300
1964 191,141,000 4,564,600 364,220 4,200,400 9,360 21,420 130,390 203,050 1,213,200 2,514,400 472,800
1965 193,526,000 4,739,400 387,390 4,352,000 9,960 23,410 138,690 215,330 1,282,500 2,572,600 496,900
1966 195,576,000 5,223,500 430,180 4,793,300 11,040 25,820 157,990 235,330 1,410,100 2,822,000 561,200
1967 197,457,000 5,903,400 499,930 5,403,500 12,240 27,620 202,910 257,160 1,632,100 3,111,600 659,800
1968 199,399,000 6,720,200 595,010 6,125,200 13,800 31,670 262,840 286,700 1,858,900 3,482,700 783,600
1969 201,385,000 7,410,900 661,870 6,749,000 14,760 37,170 298,850 311,090 1,981,900 3,888,600 878,500
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1970 203,235,298 8,098,000 738,820 7,359,200 16,000 37,990 349,860 334,970 2,205,000 4,225,800 928,400
1971 206,212,000 8,588,200 816,500 7,771,700 17,780 42,260 387,700 368,760 2,399,300 4,424,200 948,200
1972 208,230,000 8,248,800 834,900 7,413,900 18,670 46,850 376,290 393,090 2,375,500 4,151,200 887,200
1973 209,851,000 8,718,100 875,910 7,842,200 19,640 51,400 384,220 420,650 2,565,500 4,347,900 928,800
1974 211,392,000 10,253,400 974,720 9,278,700 20,710 55,400 442,400 456,210 3,039,200 5,262,500 977,100
1975 213,124,000 11,292,400 1,039,710 10,252,700 20,510 56,090 470,500 492,620 3,265,300 5,977,700 1,009,600
1976 214,659,000 11,349,700 1,004,210 10,345,500 18,780 57,080 427,810 500,530 3,108,700 6,270,800 966,000
1977 216,332,000 10,984,500 1,029,580 9,955,000 19,120 63,500 412,610 534,350 3,071,500 5,905,700 977,700
1978 218,059,000 11,209,000 1,085,550 10,123,400 19,560 67,610 426,930 571,460 3,128,300 5,991,000 1,004,100
1979 220,099,000 12,249,500 1,208,030 11,041,500 21,460 76,390 480,700 629,480 3,327,700 6,601,000 1,112,800
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1980 225,349,264 13,408,300 1,344,520 12,063,700 23,040 82,990 565,840 672,650 3,795,200 7,136,900 1,131,700
1981 229,146,000 13,423,800 1,361,820 12,061,900 22,520 82,500 592,910 663,900 3,779,700 7,194,400 1,087,800
1982 231,534,000 12,974,400 1,322,390 11,652,000 21,010 78,770 553,130 669,480 3,447,100 7,142,500 1,062,400
1983 233,981,000 12,108,600 1,258,090 10,850,500 19,310 78,920 506,570 653,290 3,129,900 6,712,800 1,007,900
1984 236,158,000 11,881,800 1,273,280 10,608,500 18,690 84,230 485,010 685,350 2,984,400 6,591,900 1,032,200
1985 238,740,000 12,431,400 1,328,800 11,102,600 18,980 88,670 497,870 723,250 3,073,300 6,926,400 1,102,900
1986 240,132,887 13,211,869 1,489,169 11,722,700 20,613 91,459 542,775 834,322 3,241,410 7,257,153 1,224,137
1987 242,282,918 13,508,700 1,483,999 12,024,700 20,096 91,110 517,704 855,088 3,236,184 7,499,900 1,288,674
1988 245,807,000 13,923,100 1,566,220 12,356,900 20,680 92,490 542,970 910,090 3,218,100 7,705,900 1,432,900
1989 248,239,000 14,251,400 1,646,040 12,605,400 21,500 94,500 578,330 951,710 3,168,200 7,872,400 1,564,800
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1990 248,709,873 14,475,600 1,820,130 12,655,500 23,440 102,560 639,270 1,054,860 3,073,900 7,945,700 1,635,900
1991 252,177,000 14,872,900 1,911,770 12,961,100 24,700 106,590 687,730 1,092,740 3,157,200 8,142,200 1,661,700
1992 255,082,000 14,438,200 1,932,270 12,505,900 23,760 109,060 672,480 1,126,970 2,979,900 7,915,200 1,610,800
1993 257,908,000 14,144,800 1,926,020 12,218,800 24,530 106,010 659,870 1,135,610 2,834,800 7,820,900 1,563,100
1994 260,341,000 13,989,500 1,857,670 12,131,900 23,330 102,220 618,950 1,113,180 2,712,800 7,879,800 1,539,300
1995 262,755,000 13,862,700 1,798,790 12,063,900 21,610 97,470 580,510 1,099,210 2,593,800 7,997,700 1,472,400
1996 265,228,572 13,493,863 1,688,540 11,805,300 19,650 96,250 535,590 1,037,050 2,506,400 7,904,700 1,394,200
1997 267,637,000 13,194,571 1,634,770 11,558,175 18,208 96,153 498,534 1,023,201 2,460,526 7,743,760 1,354,189
1998 270,296,000 12,475,634 1,531,044 10,944,590 16,914 93,103 446,625 974,402 2,329,950 7,373,886 1,240,754
1999 272,690,813 11,634,378 1,426,044 10,208,334 15,522 89,411 409,371 911,740 2,100,739 6,955,520 1,152,075
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2000 281,421,906 11,608,072 1,425,486 10,182,586 15,586 90,178 408,016 911,706 2,050,992 6,971,590 1,160,002
2001 285,317,559 11,876,669 1,439,480 10,437,480 16,037 90,863 423,557 909,023 2,116,531 7,092,267 1,228,391
2002 287,973,924 11,878,954 1,423,677 10,455,277 16,229 95,235 420,806 891,407 2,151,252 7,057,370 1,246,646
2003 290,690,788 11,826,538 1,383,676 10,442,862 16,528 93,883 414,235 859,030 2,154,834 7,026,802 1,261,226
2004 293,656,842 11,679,474 1,360,088 10,319,386 16,148 95,089 401,470 847,381 2,144,446 6,937,089 1,237,851
2005 296,507,061 11,565,499 1,390,745 10,174,754 16,740 94,347 417,438 862,220 2,155,448 6,783,447 1,235,859
2006 299,398,484 11,401,511 1,418,043 9,983,568 17,030 92,757 447,403 860,853 2,183,746 6,607,013 1,192,809
2007 301,621,157 11,251,828 1,408,337 9,843,481 16,929 90,427 445,125 855,856 2,176,140 6,568,572 1,095,769
2008 304,374,846 11,160,543 1,392,628 9,767,915 16,442 90,479 443,574 842,134 2,228,474 6,588,046 958,629
2009 307,006,550 10,762,956 1,325,896 9,337,060 15,399 89,241 408,742 812,514 2,203,313 6,338,095 795,652
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2010 309,330,219 10,363,873 1,251,248 9,112,625 14,772 85,593 369,089 781,844 2,168,457 6,204,601 739,565
2011 311,587,816 10,258,774 1,206,031 9,052,743 14,661 84,175 354,772 752,423 2,185,140 6,151,095 716,508
2012 313,873,685 10,219,059 1,217,067 9,001,992 14,866 85,141 355,051 762,009 2,109,932 6,168,874 723,186
2013 316,497,531 9,850,445 1,199,684 8,650,761 14,319 82,109 345,095 726,575 1,931,835 6,018,632 700,294
2014 318,857,056 9,475,816 1,197,987 8,277,829 14,249 84,041 325,802 741,291 1,729,806 5,858,496 689,527
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sorry but that's a horrible correlation. i mean, thats really bad.
because if you want to somehow attribute that to the CCW, than i could easily say that it's also the cause for mass shootings steadily rising.
so that's a massive reach. it's funny how you didn't use the booming economy as the focal point, seeing as how studies have shown that a country with a strong economy typically has less violence.
but anyway, i expected nothing less. you tried to get side tracked after i destroyed your argument about the "my generation" nonsense. stick to the topic. your generation and any past that have so seriously nasty history, so it's mind boggling how anybody on this board can somehow claim moral high ground.
80's - war on drugs. what a colossal failure and money grab for the prison systems.
70's - lol
40's, 50's, 60's - literally the most racist times in our country. jim crow, pre civil rights movement, segregation.
i don't wanna hear this crap about "my generation was taught respect"
because your generation was also taught to hate people for the color of their skin. so i guess it's a wash, huh?
this whole crap with people trying to act all high and mighty about "their generation" needs to stop.
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I enjoy reading your posts on the subject. It's instructive to listen to educators who have done this for a long time. Really what you are writing is no different than what I have heard from any teacher who has taught for a couple decades or more. The input of young teachers is valuable as well, but they lack the experience and specifically have not seen how people have changed over time. They are kind of encapsulated in the same bubble, if that makes any sense.
What I mean by that is that it's very hard for a young person to have a good grasp on what life was like before modern technologies. We grew up with them, they have always been part of our lives and we don't have an idea that it's not necessarily optimal, things can be improved, etc. How often do you hear about a seemingly healthy man in his 20s complaining of brain fog, lack of motivation, and just general depression/misery? A lot of people think those things are normal. They are only normal in the sense of it being relatively common in modern society. It's not normal in the 'optimal' sense or in historical context.
I'm 29 so when I say we, I am kind of including myself in the younger group, although I am also the youngest person I know who a good grasp on this. That sounds bad but it's accurate based on the people I personally know.
I think we are pretty much raising a nation of addicts. It's not just drugs and gambling and other stereotypical addictions; it's all the other stuff I've written about here on the past: video games, hardcore porn, excessive internet usage in general, social media, manufactured junk food, etc.
Addicts often behave in ways that are irrational to non-addicts. All addictions impact the same basic brain changes. So if a girl literally will not give up her phone, doing a little implying and making some assumptions, she's probably addicted to the phone and whatever she is doing on there (Instagram and Facebook?). Sure there's no chemical aspect and no immediate risk of overdosing or anything. But it's also not, 'just acting like a teenager'. More accurate would be something like, 'acting like a teenager who has a strong addiction'.
It's not like human genetics have changed meaningfully in the last generation. What has changed is the environment that people are raised in-- in general a vastly more stimulating and addicting world, instant gratification expected in most things, modern conveniences etc. These have very tangible effects on people, and young people in particular who are being raised in a world that evolution has not prepared people for. Some of those changes have been extensively studied (brain atrophy/hypofrontality is one that I've mentioned on here a few times) and can readily be found via a quick Google.
There's some irony there in recommending Google-- I get that. I'm not anti-technology by any stretch, technology can do absolutely amazing things. It just gets abused a lot, and young people in general are growing up in front of screens with limitless stimulation from games, social media, general internet usage and are by and large not doing things more natural in human development like socializing, exercising, eating and sleeping well, and all that.
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First I only pointed it out because you made a claim that violent crime decreased, which lead me me to insinuate that you believe the younger generation is less violent, since you gave no reason why you think that violence has dropped.
Furthermore, my opinion is based on what I see daily, not on facebook or social media. So don't hand me the bull crap line about "social media got you guys thinking this is the norm"
My facebook page is filled with stupid Memes, food recipes, cool cars photos, family vacation and holiday photos, and some news crap (most of which is so one sides it is ridiculous), and I hardly even pay much attention to my page period. So I don't have social media distorting my views.
Don't pull the "wow, that sounds like...oh i dunno, every generation of kids...ever.", when all I did was give my personal opinion based on my own 2 eyes.
You want to disagree fine, but keep your sarcastic attitude to yourself.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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not really.
if you don't like the way i post, you have options:
1. put me on ignore.
2. start a petition to have me removed from the board.
3. deal with it.
i post how i post. don't get mad cause i called you out on your BS "my generation" nonsense.
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What I have noticed in our Society is kids raised in a loving family who are taught "The Rules and Limits" in our Society and who witness first hand the American work ethic, do remarkably well in our Society.
Those raised by druggies and parasites who tend more to their own selfish needs than to their children, not so much.
The first group ends up having to arm themselves against the second group as they grow to adulthood for the second group will take away everything the first group has earned and built.
As our Society has filled with the second group over the years, we, the first group, are considered wrong and uncaring extremists and our Society goes down the drain.
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thats how they further the divide.
the "us vs them" mentality.
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social media got you guys thinking this is the norm, when in reality i bet the we'd find the same crap happen just as often in your generation if people had camera phones back then. I'll throw the BS flag on that. I don't know if it can be proven, if the stats even exist.... This notion that nothing has really changed, that the only change is that through social media we are now aware of it... that's crap, that's a cop out excuse for a generation of kids that are full of themselves and think rules don't apply to them.
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thats how they further the divide.
the "us vs them" mentality. It's not an "us vs them" mentality. ANYBODY can be part of "us"... just have kids you are going to take care of, discipline them, raise them right.. I don't expect them to be perfect, God knows mine aren't, just put in the effort..... Do that and I'll gladly welcome you into my bubble, I don't care if you are rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight...
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Students walk out to support fired S.C. deputy Doug Stanglin, USA TODAY 9:32 a.m. EDT October 31, 2015 About 100 students at a South Carolina high school walked out of class briefly Friday to show support for a school resource officer fired after video showed him throwing an uncooperative black female student across the floor, according to local media and Twitter feeds. The students walked out of classes at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, S.C., around 10 a.m. and gathered in the atrium to express their views on the firing of Deputy Ben Fields. Some in the crowd — which included both black and white students — wore T-shirts reading "Free Fields" or "#BringBackFields." Some students had originally said their intent was to walk out of the building, but the students did not leave the campus, WLTX-TV reports. Spring Valley High School has a current enrollment of 2,059. students. "I addressed the students to let them know that we understood their need to make their voices heard," Temoney wrote, according to WLTX. "Then I reminded them that Spring Valley High is all about the business of teaching and learning, so it's time to go back to class." School district officials told WCSC-TV that the walkout was "small" and "orderly." Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott fired Fields on Wednesday, saying the school resource officer did not follow the department's guidelines when he forcibly removed a black female student from a classroom Monday. Lott specifically said the deputy, who is white, broke protocol when he threw the student across the class In Temoney's remarks to the students, captured on video, he stresses that none would be suspended over the walkout. "We've heard your voices, okay," the administrator told the protesters. "We appreciate you taking time to do this, but again, as you know, we always focus on teaching and learning, so let's head on back to class." John Cassibry, a 17-year-old senior, posted a video of the demonstration and photos of students wearing protest T-shirts. Cassibry, who participated in the protest, told The Huffington Post that while he did not agree with Fields' conduct in arresting the student, he also did not believe the officer deserved to be fired. "I believe it is important as a student to voice my opinion," Cassibry told HuffPost."My belief on Deputy Fields is just that — I do believe he was too aggressive, but I do not believe it was any circumstance to lose his job, nor do I believe it was race-driven." The footage of the original incident sparked a national debate on the officer's actions. In the original confrontation on Monday, Fields can be heard telling the student to get up. A few moments later, he grabbed the student as she was in her seat, which caused the girl and the chair to flip over onto the floor. Fields was then seen dragging the girl for several feet and restraining her on the ground. Lott said Fields had the right to put his hands on the student, but that when he threw the girl across the room, that is when he violated the training. The U.S. Department of Justice has launched a civil rights investigation into the incident In a statement, Scott Hayes, Fields' attorney thanked people Friday for their support, adding "the positive response and heartfelt support of Ben has been overwhelming," WCSC-TV reports. Hayes continued, "We believe that Mr. Fields' actions were justified and lawful throughout the circumstances of which he was confronted during this incident. To that extent, we believe that Mr. Fields' actions were carried out professionally and that he was performing his job duties within the legal threshold." Fields was a deputy for 10 years, and also served as an assistant coach for the Spring Valley High football team. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...chool/74874920/
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it's not a bs excuse. it's truth.
just like we've always known cops treat blacks worse, but now they getting busted on camera, and a lot of stuff that wouldn't make it out the local news is now national news.
you're just pissed cause i called you out.
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it's not a bs excuse. it's truth.
just like we've always known cops treat blacks worse, but now they getting busted on camera, and a lot of stuff that wouldn't make it out the local news is now national news.
you're just pissed cause i called you out. I'm not pissed and i don't really give a flying rats ass if you "call me out"... you are entitled to your own opinion, even if it's wrong.
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What about the statics about the criminal justice system? Overall, minorities make up the majority of the prison population.
This may be a poverty issue more than anything, but still it's fishy.
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it's not a bs excuse. it's truth.
just like we've always known cops treat blacks worse, but now they getting busted on camera, and a lot of stuff that wouldn't make it out the local news is now national news.
you're just pissed cause i called you out. On the race thing: that has been talked about plenty on here. I don't care to get into that discussion. I would only say that it's kind of irrelevant to this topic anyway though; even if there is some truth in what you say about things being caught on camera, it doesn't really mean anything either way as it relates to our generation being screwed up or entitled. What am I missing? Oh and our generation is screwed up. All those old timers who say that are not all senile, they're not all lying, and they're not all delusional. I see exactly what they are talking about, and sometimes I see it as being worse than they do. You and I are old enough that we are kind of on the edge of this discussion. It probably applies to people our age some but we are not as bad as the younger kids, even after adjusting for maturing with age. Another way to put that would be that kids these days are less mature than we were at the same age. I know that there have been some historical writings that suggest this has "always" been the case, which could easily be used to discredit the whole idea. I just don't think that fully explains what we are seeing in today's society. Not even close really. I see a lot of people today, young people especially but it does to some extent affect all ages that have some or many of the following conditions/attributes: Lazy, depressed, short attention span, lack of critical thinking ability, social awkwardness, anxiety, entitlement, expectations of instant gratification, little in the way of useful skills. 'Declining student resilience' is a spin-off of all that. [edited to add: lack of respect for authority should be mentioned here as well. Certainly not always, but too often] I'm not assigning blame to anyone in this btw. Really there is plenty to go around. I happen to think that people should not expect anything from anybody else, with the exception of their parent(s) while they are still minors, and that in many ways it is a pretty screwed up world and society that we raise our kids in today. So really either side could take one of those and go with it.
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I find this entire thread laughable. Here is a man in position of authority, abusing a teen aged girl and the problem has mainly been laid at the girl.
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I find this entire thread laughable. Here is a man in position of authority, abusing a teen aged girl and the problem has mainly been laid at the girl. To me, the man overreacted in bringing the situation to an end and getting the girl under control. To me, the girl is another example of a Societal problem we are dealing with today.
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I don't have a problem with this girl being disciplened for her disobediance and disruption of the classroom. I don't have a problem with her being cuffed and taken away.
Kids need to respect authority figures. Whether it be their parents, their teachers, or the police.
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Maybe you should give that speech to the forefathers of our nation.
People are supposedly hired to protect and serve. He protected nobody and served out physical violence on a minor. He should be in jail. If he weren't wearing a badge, he would be.
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I don't have a problem with this girl being disciplened for her disobediance and disruption of the classroom. I don't have a problem with her being cuffed and taken away.
Kids need to respect authority figures. Whether it be their parents, their teachers, or the police. Quoted for Truth. This is exactly what is needed in order to have and to fit into a Society, otherwise we are not much more than Hunter/Gatherers.
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Maybe you should give that speech to the forefathers of our nation.
People are supposedly hired to protect and serve. He protected nobody and served out physical violence on a minor. He should be in jail. If he weren't wearing a badge, he would be. Yeah, that's why there are kids protesting in favor of the cop. 
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I find this entire thread laughable. Here is a man in position of authority, abusing a teen aged girl and the problem has mainly been laid at the girl. That didn't even come up until over halfway into the thread. And well, she is at least partially at fault. That doesn't necessarily justify the officer. From the one video I have seen of the incident, it certainly does look like he used an unreasonable amount of force. Then again I wasn't there, I didn't see what happened beforehand and I don't know the exact protocol he was supposed to follow, so I'm not going to pass too much judgement other than to say it looked really bad. As others have pointed out though, she had plenty of opportunity to act like a reasonable human being. Put the phone away... or don't have it out in the first place-- kids should not be using phones during class but that's another topic. Listen to the teacher. Listen to the administrator. Listen to the cop. Don't hit the cop. (if rumors of another video existing of her swinging first are true... I have no idea)
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