DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Continuity...take three..just what was "the Steelers Way"?

I think you're just seeing really bad coaching. Our offensive line might be in the top 3 when it comes to talent. Benji, Duke and GB are surprising talents on offense, but the rest of our team sucks. Our QB isn't good either, but what's new? That said, our defense should be much better. We have 4 probowlers in our defensive backfield. Kruger was a top 15 pass rusher last year. We are honestly a very talented team. The coaching is just so bad.

At the end of the day football is a competition, result oriented sport. Sometimes not losing the job isn't enough for a coach. Sometimes they have to win a job. Has Pettine done that this year? Does Pettine have an argument other than us just saying, "Steelers" 3 times like Beetlejuice?

We don't draft talent.

We draft upside, high ceiling, need, character, we draft David Veikune.

The only times we have ever looked to talent was Kellen Winslow and Joe Thomas.

That's it.

We are "too smart" to draft talent. We have to spend 10 years trying to hit the homerun nobody else sees.

we won last year with "inferior" talent.

your trying real hard to deflect blame off pettine.

Literally every team considers these things when drafting a player (besides David Veikune).

Not a chance in hell they considered character when they drafted Gordon, Manziel or Gilbert or signed Bowe or Devone Bess or drafted Kellen Winslow when his dad was charging agents $10,000 interviews, while he was lurking in parking lots with a jar of Vasoline, or Braylon "You hate me cause I'm from Michigan and catching the ball has nothing to do with it" Edwards. Or when they signed Shaun "I saw the movie Snakes on a Plane so I came packin!" Rodgers.

OK, how about we drafted character when Mangini was in charge? Actually, the year we drafted none other than David Veikune.

CFRS, isn't the point that we rarely ever choose the guy who seems to be a can't miss, mean, flat out baller?

Man, its hard to break down and explain things when the context suggests I'm just trying to make a point.

The Browns have never had a draft where they hit on more than 1 player
That had a career lasting more than 5 years.
They hit on good player here and there. But never 2 or 3 bulls eyes in a single draft.
Wanna turn your fortunes around?
Hit on more than 1 player every 2 3 drafts.
Draft impact players. Not just serviceable starters

Isn't that what Danny Shelton and Trent Richardson were supposed to be?

Shelton? NO

You're from the west coast. You know that. He had a big (yes pun intended) senior year and everybody tried to pretend he was somebody he never was.

Richardson, yes. Hey, nobody has ever been able to explain the perplexing, bizarro, anomaly of the universe that happened with that cat. Nobody other than Jim Brown of course. What happened with Trent? Maybe it was just woman and baby trouble. Who knows? If Trent walked into Ray Lewis's and Ed Reed's locker room, would the results have turned out the same?

Never try to steer off course a man with a driven agenda.

What you are eluding to is the chance that players would risk their own future value, the success of their future contracts and their own families future security to undermine their head coach.

Think about that for a minute. Would you risk your future income and worth just to undermine someone else?

Does the math there make any sense to you?

He's probably not too far off with his second idea. I'm sure Pettine and Farmer probably blame the losing cultures on our good players. I'm sure they'd think they could win if they had their own guys. disillusions of grandeur are most common from the uninspired bottom feeders.

I see your point. I edited the post to break down the part I was addressing.

I don't like being the board grammar guy, and in fact I'm not, but it's "alluding to", not "eluding"

While we all know what you meant, it'd make your statement more compelling if you used the proper word.

And yes, I know this will come off as "Arch is being a jerk."

Typos happen all the time. I get that. But, as prp is prone to say, "I don't think eluding means what you think it means."

what was that trash FB we drafted? merecic or whatever?

Yes you do. Such things happen all the time on this board but you seem very selective about when you point it out. lol



See what I mean?



No, it's just arch being arch. What ever you wish to call that.

Everyone knew what I meant as you plainly admitted and your post in no way added to the discussion. But thanks anyway. lol

Eh, just trying to help you out.

I get the whole continuity thinking, but we cannot allow Farmer to escape this year's axe! That guy is just plain terrible at drafting and acquiring talent.

If we do blow this thing up, I'm hoping a guy with some legit coaching pedigree as a coordinator comes in...Ray Horton! I believe he can right this ship, at least defensively. I was never a fan of Pettine's scheme. Horton as yielded results wherever he has been. He was successful in Arizona, had us a top 10 defense in 2013, and has the Titans a top 5 currently!

Let's face it Dawgs, we are not getting a household name in here with teams like the Giants and Dolphins potentially in the search.

Now as GMs go, I have no idea where to start....

Yea, the actions of players always make sense. Even when it comes to their money. Look at our own Josh Gordon, or Blackman, or Greg Hardy, or JT Barrett or ....

I alway thought Brad Sealy would have made a good head coach. When we hired Shurmur, Sealy and Zimmer were my two top guys

What about Marc Trestman as HC? He has a highly-respected offensive mind.

I hate Arch as much as the next EE poster, but I do think he didn't mean any harm.

But this isn't really my place.

You hate Arch?? Wow. Do you know him personally?

Wow. That just made my eyes pop out of my head.

Thanks for showing your true colors. I guess.

Sorry. I thought it was obvious that I was joking.

I just want to make it super clear that I don't hate Arch. He is a great dude. I do wonder about dummy the dog though.

Ok, got ya. see how words on a MB can easily be misinterpreted?

pfft marecic? Veikune???

I think Haslam should sit down with arch and ask him how he would fix this mess.

No big deal, but I completely disagree w/you. I don't wanna fight you, especially after how you reached out that one day......I don't forget stuff like that and I am very loyal.......but man, I just really believe this team is hurting in talent.

Seriously? Who was the guy you were all making fun of before the season started for criticizing Pet? Come on, man!!!

I do believe we need continuity. Bringing in two completely new systems is probably not going to work.

Farmer is setting this up to make Pet the fall guy for his ignorant moves and the fans are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

Freaking Browns..............I am not kidding you......I am about done!!!

I see it. I understand. At the end of the day, we're all Browns fans and post here. Even those who don't share about their lives, and are strictly about the football, have very distinctive voices and personalities. I just think that we're all actual people, not just screen names, who all come here to sit in mutual frustration with the Browns every move. I have extremely high respect for everyone on this forum and with that respect comes my fondness. We're really in this together.

Would have never expected that post from you.

That was pretty awesome.

No problem, I guess. It was just, scrolling through, and I read that???

Dummy is good. Sammy the cat has some leg issues now - looks like he got bit. Noticed it Sunday. Going to the vet tomorrow morning.

What we was and what he was supposed to be are two different things. After Shelton was drafted we were told he could play all three downs.

Before Chud was hired, my top 2 candidates for the job were Arians and then Seeley. Man ... that was oh so many years ago .......

I cannot believe that many are talking about making our 3rd coaching change in 3 years .... to go along with our 3rd GM.

No wonder we constantly stink. Oh, not that the fans cause anything to be done ..... but that ownership has thought that this kind of thing was a great idea for winning games.

CHS certainly didn't try to elude anything with that revelation ...

I am shocked at how many of you have flipped on these guys.

I guess the fan base is as fickle and lost as the front office.

The truth is you all bought the used car Text and Pet were selling you this year, and now you have gone from all the big talk about how great Text is to wanting him fired along with Pet.

Text has been and continues to be the reason we lose. He took and continues to take young talent and allow them to leave while replacing them with players who are at or soon will be at the ends of their careers.

You follow that up with poor drafts and you have the Browns. The Browns don't need veteran leadership they need play makers. And one of the ways you win in this league is to keep players together.

In the continuity discussion you NEVER hear people talk about player continuity and that is huge. One of the ways you get better is to keep young talent together.

Think about what has been done and look at the net gain, The only thing Text has done is make the team older, but no way is it better.

It's so frigging sad to think about what could have been instead of what it is. With multiple 1st round picks we get NOTHING in return.

With tons of cap space we don't resign our young talent we let them go and get older players that aren't better just more expensive and closer to the end.

We don't re-sign guys like Benji and Gipson we let them play out their contracts then walk. It's mind boggling to think about. And now their talking about trading JT and Mack, and Krugar its simply unbelievable.

Part of winning is keeping guys together not jettisoning them every year.

Look this defense will play better near the end of the season why? Because they will learn together and then in typical fashion will jettison half of them and start over again. It's as big a part of why we lose as FO turnover.

In other words we don't add to what we have we change it for what appears to be no other reason then we can. We certainly aren't better for it so why do we keep doing it.

This team has talent and some tweaks are needed but the wholesale changes we make year in and year out negate the gains we should make.

I hope we keep Pet and I hope we can trick or convince some of the guys that can leave this off season to sign up again and that we tweak and improve and stop with the wholesale changes we witness year in and year out.

In other words we need to be more targeted in our changes and we certainly need to stop getting older.

Text needs to go just way way to many dummy moves, but I hope we keep Pet even though I think he sucks too we have to build the team up and part of that has to come from Pet. I think he will do better if we can keep it together in terms of players and in terms of coaching.