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The CAVS, IMO, showed everyone it's no joke why we are there. I have heard people say "Well they beat the Wiz and Nets, whoopie doo" They came out and played a real good team game, real physical game and showed the Pistons this isn't last year. They were going to try and beat them down and it almost worked. Z was huge. You know Z finally see's the light after suffering with this team for so long and he has stepped up his game. I am curious to see how LBJ responds to how he played last game. He was 4/15 at one point last night and took zero three attempts. And then the last play. Anyways, IMO Game 2 is a must win. We have to come home tied to get this thing done.
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yeah, but will detroit get another chance at lebron only scoring ten.. that works both ways...
It's not exactly "both ways"... Detroit is the better team, Detroit is the more experienced team... all things being equal Detroit should win this series, regardless of what LeBron does... Which is why the Cavs can't give anything away and last night they gave away a game when Detroit, except for Hamilton, didn't play well.
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i agree that we've really gotta get game 2...
See, I don't think we will.. I thought we had a chance to win 1 in Detroit... I didn't know which game it would be but I'm fairly convinced now that the chance, was last night. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I expect on Thursday you will see a much better Pistons team and I fully expect LeBron to have 25, but it's not going to matter... I just think Detroit will win by 10 on Thursday... Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.
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had detroit lost that game, don't think they wouldn't have come out in game 2 and really brought it...
Doesn't matter.. as I said above, I only hoped for 1 win in Detroit and had we won game 1, I fully expect Detroit would have come out fired up and won game 2 rather easily... But we did the worst thing we could do, we pushed it to the wire, scared them, and lost any way... now I think you will see Detroit come out with the same intensity in game 2 as if they had lost, but they didn't... and the Cavs will be down 2-0...
And for those questioning LeBron's pass at the end, my preference would have been for him to take the shot and go for the tie... but I'm not all that ticked that he passed it to Donyell ...
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And for those questioning LeBron's pass at the end, my preference would have been for him to take the shot and go for the tie... but I'm not all that ticked that he passed it to Donyell
Preference being the key word, especially because the final outcome did not match the correctness of the decision-making process. In the end, it was the wrong thing to do, correct at the time, but as a betting man, I take my chances with LBJ -- even while being doubled -- that he makes a layup driving, or gets fouled, OR BOTH, rather than gamble on a cold Donyell from the corner. Really got to admire his guts and floor consciousness though, and for that we can be grateful. It's all still pointing up to the fact that we are about a player short of Detroit's talent. I will be happy to win 3, but I don't see it now.
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Cold is the right word here! As you pointed out the right decision but the wrong out come. 
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Exactly, if this had been the last game, and Donyell had been on the floor and was already 5-8 or 6-10 from the 3-point line, it would have made more sense... But you are exactly right in your point.. if Donyell makes the shot, it was the great unselfish LeBron that made it happen... Donyell misses the shot and it's the scared LeBron afraid to take the shot... likewise, if LeBron misses the shot, it's the ball hog LeBron trying to score in a double team while Donyell is wide open for the win... you get the point. It's a results driven debate and now that we know the results, it's easier to say what he should have done... because what he did, didn't work. Oh well, I'm looking forward to game 2 and LeBron getting off to a fast start. I'd definitely look for him to be more aggressive early in the game.
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Well, if we agree it was a "cold" Donyell, one might say it wasn't the BEST decision,....
What I don't care for is all the radio and TV bashing he takes, for all the wrong reasons, i.e. "He's the team star--he's supposed to take the shot,..." or "He's The Franchise -- he's supposed to take that shot" or, "He carries the weight of the entire " forlorn-for-44-years-now " Cleveland fan base," etc, etc.
I wish he would have taken the ball to the hoop too, but only because of the outcome,...there's no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten called for a charge. So, it is what it was. Done and over.
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No, I ate earlier and took a nap so I'd be rested to go giggin' frogs tonight..
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And for those questioning LeBron's pass at the end, my preference would have been for him to take the shot and go for the tie... but I'm not all that ticked that he passed it to Donyell
Preference being the key word, especially because the final outcome did not match the correctness of the decision-making process. In the end, it was the wrong thing to do, correct at the time, but as a betting man, I take my chances with LBJ -- even while being doubled -- that he makes a layup driving, or gets fouled, OR BOTH, rather than gamble on a cold Donyell from the corner. Really got to admire his guts and floor consciousness though, and for that we can be grateful. It's all still pointing up to the fact that we are about a player short of Detroit's talent. I will be happy to win 3, but I don't see it now.
If you were a gambling man I think you would see that dishing it out to Donyell was probably the better play. I'd say even a 'cold' Donyell has at least a 30-40% chance of hitting a wide open 3 in that situation, so say we win 35% of the time there.
Even if Lebron could force an overtime against the guy that was dominating him defensively all night, we probably have about that chance to win the game IN overtime.
It's just one of those situations where you have to try not to be results oriented. The only thing I didn't like is that DM had so little playing time in the game, but on the other hand, he was pretty hot game 6 in Jersey.
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He has GOT to be more aggressive, or there is no chance at all.
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Exactly! If Don. would have made the shot ...then Wow! LBJ did the right thing...But hind sight is 20/20...Now all the media says he should have took the shot!...Well it was a good plan and it didnt work Now we need to come up with somthing else...We all know Detroit will not play like that in game two.
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He has GOT to be more aggressive, or there is no chance at all.
I definitely agree but this applies to the entire game. I still think dishing it out gave us the best chance to WIN, obviously not the best chance to keep the game going.
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I still say the chances of having made a layup, maybe garnering a foul call, are better than anyone knocking down a 3. I'm still glad he tried it, but despite the former criticism above, it is a results-oriented situation for us. That was the steal in Detroit that we would have (still) needed. We won't get another chance like that.
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Well, if we agree it was a "cold" Donyell, one might say it wasn't the BEST decision,....
What I don't care for is all the radio and TV bashing he takes, for all the wrong reasons, i.e. "He's the team star--he's supposed to take the shot,..." or "He's The Franchise -- he's supposed to take that shot" or, "He carries the weight of the entire " forlorn-for-44-years-now " Cleveland fan base," etc, etc.
I wish he would have taken the ball to the hoop too, but only because of the outcome,...there's no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten called for a charge. So, it is what it was. Done and over.
Exactly, the last thing I want to feel is pressured to take a bad shot the next time the situation arises when somebody else is wide open, just to avoid the criticism...
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You are right! I dont see us getting another chance like we had.
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I still say the chances of having made a layup, maybe garnering a foul call, are better than anyone knocking down a 3. I'm still glad he tried it, but despite the former criticism above, it is a results-oriented situation for us. That was the steal in Detroit that we would have (still) needed. We won't get another chance like that.
I see what you're trying to say but I disagree.
Let's try to break down the situation analytically and I'll keep this as simple as possible.
Say Donyell has a 35% chance of hitting a wide open look from the corner. Running the clock down a few more seconds in this spot is also huge but I will ignore that. Let's just say 35% chance of winning.
Say if Lebron takes it we score 2 (either by him, 2nd chance opportunity, bucket + foul but misses the foul shot, misses gets fouled but hits both free throws, etc) 65% of the time and force overtime. 7% he scores 2, gets the foul, and we win with a 3 point play, and 28% that he misses completely and we lose.
Say we win 35% in overtime, also being optimistic IMO as they were clearly playing better down the stretch, more talented overall, at home, etc.
.07(1.00) + .65(.35) + .28(0) = ~30% to win
I know it's kind of a goofy analysis but quite honestly, I think it's much better than saying after the fact, "well if he would have made the shot it would have been a great play!!!", or "Lebron is our star player, he needs to be more aggressive and take that shot!!!". That's the natural reaction but it doesn't mean we can't analyze the situation ourselves while trying not to be results oriented. Honestly I thought it was a good decision, but just didn't work out. Nothing we or they can do about it, just gotta come out strong in game 2.
I agree with the earlier points that LBJ has to be more aggressive and step it up throughout the entire game and that we wasted a HUGE opportunity in game 1.
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Like I see it know...its over ...we lost ...lets go on. *If *is a big word!......If my aunt had ball's ...she'd be my uncle! 
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Not to be short-sighted, or short-worded since you made a nice reply,...I really LIKED the math work you put into it. I am a math teacher in my next life,....
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Well, if we agree it was a "cold" Donyell, one might say it wasn't the BEST decision,....
What I don't care for is all the radio and TV bashing he takes, for all the wrong reasons, i.e. "He's the team star--he's supposed to take the shot,..." or "He's The Franchise -- he's supposed to take that shot" or, "He carries the weight of the entire " forlorn-for-44-years-now " Cleveland fan base," etc, etc.
I wish he would have taken the ball to the hoop too, but only because of the outcome,...there's no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten called for a charge. So, it is what it was. Done and over.
my thoughts exactly...
i think people are forgetting that lebron attacked the rim several times and got no whistles... why waste your time doing it when you know the refs aren't calling anything...
which why i will say this a thousand times until the game starts thursday...
lebron has to come out, and attack... get the ball in the low post... attack the rim, get a few early calls, and turn this series towards you...
and i'm in complete disagreement that losing this game lost the whole series... it's one freaking game... hell, if we get blown out by 20, the series isn't over, it sure as hell wasn't last year when we lost the first game by murder, and didn't start picking things up until the second game...
if the cavs can keep this up, grinding it out, wearing this team down defensively, they can take this series... from what i saw last night, we outworked this team... they're an aging team, and our youth could trump them... it's still going to come down to knocking down shots...
i'm sick and tired of hearing about how "detroit didn't do this, detroit didn't do that"
why do the cavs never get any credit for their defense? it is the best in the playoffs right now...
lebron may have had only 10 points, but he shut down tayshaun prince (prince, 8 points on 1-11 shooting)
rasheed wallace and antonio mcdyess were both non factors...
we've gotta do something about rip hamilton... sasha can't handle him... there were a couple of times that rip just hit some amazing shots, shots that bruce bowen couldn't have defended better, but for the most part, rip was getting his usual catch and shoot off the curl...
and you've gotta stay on chauncey billups, the cavs give up an offensive rebound, sasha goes to help double up someone, and billups is standing there with the ball, you can't do that... if you stay on him, you live with him hitting shots in your face...
i feel better about this series than i did when the game started... i know we lost, and we had opportunities... but it was made pretty clear that the cavs are in this thing for the long haul... lebron is going to get calls... you can bet the house on that... and the defense has been there since game 1 against washington...
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i'm just over this game already... i'm already fired up for game two, because the pressure is still on detroit, and i think we got into their heads a little bit, we're bringing more intensity at the defensive end of the floor than they are...
i still wish donyell would have hit the shot...
it's just like the holy buckeye play from the 2002 buckeye season...
had krenzel thrown that thing wide, or intercepted, or just not in michael jenkins' hands, then what exactly do we think of tressel? or what if tressel plays it safe, eventually gets that field goal, and loses in overtime? to win championships, you have to take chances...
but damn, yell, you HAVE to knock down that shot, you were wide freaking open...
that was a great play though, they drew it up well and lebron made a perfect pass...
i really hate this 2 days between the games crap...
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Were you talking Purdue or the Title game on 4th and 14....???
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Were you talking Purdue or the Title game on 4th and 14....???
the purdue game, the holy buckeye play, krenzel to jenkins
the one where our collective hearts all stopped beating for those 3 seconds while the ball was in the air...
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Didn't Jenks catch the 4/14 in the Miami game too,...?? or was that Gamble ?
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Didn't Jenks catch the 4/14 in the Miami game too,...?? or was that Gamble ?
i don't remember, that was the drunkest night of my life
i just remember that we won
i do have the dvd, i might have to watch that one of these days
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i really hate this 2 days between the games crap...
Me To!!!!!!!!! I have to work thursday morning at 4am ...So I will be one tired puppy!
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Not to be short-sighted, or short-worded since you made a nice reply,...I really LIKED the math work you put into it. I am a math teacher in my next life,....
ha, it's all good. I play too much poker so I'm used to doing stuff like that, albeit much more involved.
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