DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Is there anyone on our current coaching staff qualified to be an interim head coach??

First thing, IMO, that *must* happen is whatshischeese - the front office bean counter that keeps wanting to meddle in football operations - HE needs to go. After that, Haslam needs to know his role and stay out of football operations, too (I don't care what anyone says - I'm still convinced that JFF was his call). After that, I'd give Farmer one more season.

There is an article on here that talks about how much the team's value has increased since Scheiner took over. I can't remember the number, but it's staggering. That same article claims that Scheiner is the guy who has Haslam's ear. I doubt we get rid of him. It's pretty depressing.

And if Haslam doesn't put him in his place and tell him to stay in his lane (or get rid of him), we're screwed. This will be just another on-going source of drama for all of time.

Bean counters count beans.
Football people do football things.

Don't cross the streams. Never cross the streams.

Farmer does have an eye for talent though. Gilbert is wholly 100% Pettine's fault IMO. I know Gilbert is one of the chief criticisms of Farmer so let me just get that one out of the way. Johnny's handling is Pettine's fault as well but I don't want the thread to devolve into another Johnny discussion.

Bottom line, Farmer's record with UDFAs at least somewhat proves he has an eye for talent.

100%? Do you have a link for that?

Farmer's moves have sucked. He has not brought one impact player to the team. He has brought in a bunch of guys that don't look very good. I am pretty tired of the excuses and the passing of the buck.

Farmer's decision not to draft WR's? That was really great, right? Sticking with munchkins as WR's? Farmer, along with Pettine have to go.

And Just how was Pettine supposed to handled someone that doesn't play very good and doesn't try very hard? Listen, I don't really fault Farmer for the Gilbert pick, because everyone else had Gilbert ranked about where he was drafted. But I do fault Farmer for keeping his dead weight on the roster.



I can't blame Farmer for that pick either because that pick was Haslam's. And if Pettine is the nitwit dragging Johnny to all those late night parties then shame on him.



We've had some good ones and some bad ones, like most teams.

dude it just blows my mind that right now WR and DB's reign supreme in the league, and yet he completely avoided the WR position.

If Manziel is Haslam's pick and Gilbert is Pettine's pick, then that means our GM is letting other people pick for him. Which means he is not picking who he thinks is best for the team (kowtowing). In that case, he should be fired and someone who is more assertive should be hired.

I don't want my GM passing on who he thinks is the correct selection because someone else, who has not been studying prospects for a year, wants a different player.

I could see Pettine asking Farmer for a certain position, such as a top CB. But I'd think that guy would be Farmer's pick all the way.

First, if your boss, in this case Haslam, tells you to pick someone and your new to the position, it is always a good move making a stand if you don't want to be employed very long! LOL!!

Second, if I remember correctly, Farmer and Pettine were going over the roster deciding on a key piece needed. Both decided adding a second CB makes the biggest impact. I believe Pettine liked Gilbert's attributes as did many draft analyst.

The first draft, especially the first round, was more a group effort. Remember it was all threes first draft solo. Ray hired consultant Kuharich for experience. This year's draft seemed, to me anyway, more Farmer.

Many faile to realize that our owner blew it big time.

He had a STRONG suit by the name of Joe Banner that actually did know what he was doing!

Joe Banner did the same thing here he did in Philly:

1. Hired a Young up and coming coach in Chudzinski (In Philly that young up and comer was Andy Reid)
2. Surrounded that Young and up and comer with quality coordinators in Norv Turner and Ray Horton.
3. It was obvious Year one we had an Elite Defense Ranked in the Top 7 in NFL

This year had we stayed with Chud, Norv, and Horton we would be fighting for first place with Cincy.....

Yes not everyone in the league got along with Banner, but by god Banner knew what he was doing..even Reid who had disagreements with Banner towards the end even conceded that Banner was a smart guy that actually knew how to build a winner.

Our owner knee jerked and fired the first staff we have had since Marty/Bellichik that could have turned this mess around....imagine Year two with Hoyer, Chud, Turner, and that Elite Horton D...we would have been in the playoffs with that team, TJ Ward, Jackson, those guys would still be here...You cna tell Haden changed after Horton left...he regrets signing that contract...Joe Thomas, everyone was just deflated when they guys got axed....

Our owner killed this team and got rid of the pieces in place that would have fixed it that were put there by a guy that knows how to turn things around in Banner...he followed the same blueprint here he followed in Philly when he hired the young up and coming Andy Reid and we blew it big time.

its going to be LONG TIME now before this team even sniffs that playoffs, and i assure you Pettine will not be the one to take us there...

As of now, nothing short of Cowher, Parcells, Marty, or Payton is going to turn things around here, and none of those guys are going to come here with such an incompetent and meddling owner....Norv Turner was right..it was nonsense only being given one year.....

This year had we stayed with Chud, Norv, and Horton we would be fighting for first place with Cincy.....

There's no way anyone in the world could know that's true or not. Maybe it is, but it could be just as easily stated that we'd be the same or worse.

I'm not sure that would even be possible.

I believe it may even go one step further. Pettine may even describe the type of player he wants at the position to fit his schemes. A man on man type CB for example. A pocket QB with some ability to be mobile when they have to. But I in no way believe he gives Farmer names.

I just don't believe Farmer has drafted the right talent and or players to get the job done.

Maybe I am forgetting something, but didn't Banner fire Chudzinski?

Yep .... because he was sure he could hire a big name coach to replace him.

Insanity!
How about just drafting from the nfl tv crew.
Every year they predict we take a stud..we chose some no name joker.
We dont need a coach..what we need is some talented players.

Well, it depends on what side of the "debate" you are on.

Those who love Farmer say that Haslam drafted Manziel and Pet drafted Gilber.

Those who don't like him, say that he drafted both guys.

The guys who love Farmer are the same ones who hated Banner. Obviously, there is no way that Haslam could have been involved in the firing of Chud. It had to be all Banner's idea.

I'm pretty sure Chud's firing was mostly Haslam.

I don't know if it was or not. I am not defending Banner on this one.

I just find it humorous how posters pick and choose who chose whom? LOL.........you gotta admit, it's pretty freaking funny.