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Are you calling me a liar?

It sounds like he's remembering that you didn't believe he said it the way it was reported either.

eo.. I agree with every word you said, I just thought the halftime interview, when Manziel was fairly productive in the first half, was a really bad time to bring it up. You don't try to fix a QBs habits of many years in a halftime speech.

See, I don't disagree with what he said, I disagree with how and when he chose to say it. You want to say it in an interview the next day... "Manziel did some good things, blahblahblah... he still needs to work on trusting the play from the pocket blahblahblah..." nobody would be saying anything about it because we all basically know it to be true.

I think it's one of those things that he could learn from. I still have to remind myself that before he got this job, he'd probably never had to spend this much time in front of a camera. Handling your own optics is a skill like any other... and it takes time to get one's 'smooth' down pat.

When he said it heading into the halftime locker room, I thought it was a bit odd, but never gave it another thought. Now, it seems to be a 'thing' with some folks.

I still don't think it was that big of a deal, but I can actually see why it might be for some other folks. How weird is that?

Every time I post in this thread I get the feeling that you believe this is more important to me than it really is. I just found it odd and a bit out of place to make that comment at that moment.

You are correct, I have no idea how it was discussed at halftime. I do feel justified in saying that however it was handled, whatever adjustments were made to Manziel and the offense in general, were a complete failure.

This is my point as well. The kid just led a 92 yard scoring drive and that was Pettine's comment? It just floored me. It's not something I am trying to use to crucify Pettine, which is exactly what some people try to infer any time you critique him, but it was a bad comment to make at the time.

If you wish to build a player up or instill confidence in him, making negative comments about him on national TV after he just led a 92 yard TD drive certainly won't accomplish that.

I think it has more to do w/him feeling the need to discredit anyone who even tries to discuss whether the Browns are making ANY questionable moves.

Reality means nothing. It's all about perception.

I remember something he said a long time ago. Never forgot it and never will.

This was during the days of the Timid wars. I made a post about some guys playing better. I think it was the OL. A poster agreed w/me. tab addresses the poster who agreed w/me and warned him that "I was on the other side."

LOL...........you gotta admit that is classic.

I've been pretty hard on Pettine, and I believe he has something personal against Manziel. I also believe starting Manziel is in the best long-term interest of the team.

But I cannot get on board the pile on for his halftime comments. Go back and listen to it. He said Manziel had been productive but they wanted him to settle down and take his read if it's there. I don't think this was a bad thing to say at all. Additionally, he said it in a pretty non-chalant way. He wasn't angry or upset, just relaying his thoughts. This is being way overblown.

The other thing that is being overblown is this notion that the Bengals kept Manziel in the pocket and that changed the complexion of the game. The two biggest plays that really hurt the Browns were drops from Gabriel that would have produced first downs. And guess what? They were both thrown FROM THE POCKET.

And if anyone gets a chance to listen to either the Manziel or Pettine pressers from today, if you come away with any other conclusion than the Cleveland media are a bunch of morons that thrive on drama...well, I don't know what to say.

Not sure what facts you are talking about.. I was watching, I heard him say what he said, my initial opinion was that seemed a bit critical and out of place for the situation... END OF STORY.

You are free to have a different opinion, free are to look up the quotes, free to speculate on what was said inside the locker room, free to do whatever you want... but in that moment, that was my opinion..

I thought I was pretty clear in explaining that was how I felt about that comment.. IN THAT MOMENT.. and how I pretty much agreed with everything else.. .

I don't expect you to remember and differentiate every one of my comments from everybody else who is weighing in... but you are arguing with the wrong person.

Likewise.

No just implied it and tried to force it on the young kid.