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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/661688428044529664

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And so it begins in Indy: Colts have fired offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton, sources tell @MikeWellsNFL and me.


Ryan Grigson still standing though. . .

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Our old friend Rob Chudzinski is the new offensive coordinator.

https://twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/661689170897825792

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LOL...............Not sure who Indy's GM is, but the guy is a moron. He has a stud young qb, and he never built the OL. He traded for TRich. He brings in aging players to help on offense.

They are going to get Luck killed. He is already developing bad habits because he has to almost single-handily carry the offense.

So, what is their answer.......fire the OC. Next will be the HC. Pfffttttt.........

You can't win w/a poor GM. Other than our very own GM, there are not many GMs I respect. There are a few guys who get players consistently, but most of these guys are clueless and more worried about saving their own job than anything else.

Blame the OC. Yeah, I bet the Colts offense lights it up for the rest of the season. rolleyes

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Dead on. Awesome!

I liken GMs to Athletic Directors in my prior experience.

Coach: You scheduled McKinley and Massillon in back-to-back weeks? Both on the road?

AD: We will get a lot of publicity and money from these deals. We can beat them both. You just coach 'em up!

Coach: Where are the Tums?

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Coach: You scheduled McKinley and Massillon in back-to-back weeks? Both on the road?



By the way..one hell of a game...Bulldogs thumbsup

Fawcett..( tom Benson Hall Of Fame Stadium) Is being torn down.. so the fans from both teams had to sit on the same side... It was cool though..

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Wow! I didn't know that? Why? It was a nice stadium. I loved playing there. It's always cool playing in front of 30,000 plus for a HS game.

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Just out of curiosity, which position did you play?


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QB in Middle School. RB in high school and college.

Too short...........LOL

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What college?

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Vers: arch wants to know what college you went to. Don't shoot the messenger.


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arch stalks me. Do you really think I wanna give him more information about me? Check out his post history. Other than when I am suspended, see the percentage of his posts that are either directly addressed to me or about me, despite me having him on ignore.

That's pretty freaking weird, man.

This is a football message board. Not sure I get all this "hate."

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I stalk him? Yeah, just like I'm a ref and ban him. Oh, wait, I'm not a ref, nor have I ever been, as he's accused me. Neither do I stalk him.

I agree with him when I agree with him. I disagree when I disagree. Somebody can't handle that.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Dead on. Awesome!

I liken GMs to Athletic Directors in my prior experience.

Coach: You scheduled McKinley and Massillon in back-to-back weeks? Both on the road?

AD: We will get a lot of publicity and money from these deals. We can beat them both. You just coach 'em up!

Coach: Where are the Tums?


I went to Warren Harding and remember beating them both in the same year pretty sure it was back to back..... but the way the conference was set up, it was usually home and away.... still a tough draw...


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Was that when McDaniels and Clarrett were there?

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From the get go I stated Luck was great but the beating he was taking (rookie season and onward) might catch up and they would have damaged goods.

From what I have seen recently from Luck he resembles those damaged goods. Why you got to have the LT and the OL if you invest in a franchise QB.

But they did get T Richardson...smh He would have been better off coming here.


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Is Luck still on his rookie deal? He didn't sign an extension, did he?

I could actually see him walking if this keeps up.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
QB in Middle School. RB in high school and college.

Too short...........LOL


To slow not to short wink I mean Hawkins made it at our height laugh


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Yeah, I remember you and I talking about that. He's developing some bad habits. I feel bad for the guy.

Did anyone see the clip on either ESPN or NFL Network where Hasselback came over and just put his hand on Luck's chest? Luck flinched and grimaced like he just got hit w/a sledgehammer. Man!

But they think going w/a new OC will fix their problems. rolleyes

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Not slow, bro. Just the opposite.

I meant that is why they moved me from qb to rb.

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Getting rid of their OC Pep HAMILTON...oh geesh - our next HC...

Just joking but even I get depressed...man all I want is for us to win....


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Report: Ryan Grigson continues to meddle in lineup and coaching decisions

By Josh Wilson  @JoshWilsonSB on Nov 3, 2015, 10:13p 100






Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports


According to the Indianapolis Star's Stephen Holder, Colts general manager Ryan Grigson continues to meddle in decisions typically reserved for coaches, such as the lineups, and this is particularly true on the offensive side of the football.


The Indianapolis Colts stole headlines tonight by firing offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton, a move that certainly seems to paint him as a scapegoat but one that was justified and needed. Rob Chudzinski, the Colts' special assistant to head coach Chuck Pagano, now takes over for Hamilton and will try to right a sinking ship and help quarterback Andrew Luck and the offense get things figured out - and as quickly as possible.

It's possible, though, that one of the biggest obstacles that Chudzinski encounters in his quest to do that could be general manager Ryan Grigson. According to the Indianapolis Star's Stephen Holder, it sounds like Grigson's continuous meddling in the roles normally relegated to coaches handcuffed Hamilton somewhat. Here's what Holder wrote Tuesday night:


"Additionally, one of the issues that still exists is involvement by the front office in the coaching staff's decision-making, up to and including lineup decisions. Grigson, multiple sources say, is still heavily influencing moves on the coaching side, particularly on offense. Hamilton's performance appears to have been affected by some of those outside decisions, making it difficult to know what is attributable to him and what isn't."

This isn't anything new from Grigson. He was heavily involved in the decision to change centers last season, has reportedly been influential in other decisions in determining who plays, and even reportedly was the one who hired Pep Hamilton for Chuck Pagano's staff. In other words, it has long been reported and assumed that Ryan Grigson is involved much more than is normally acceptable for a general manager, particularly one with Grigson's pedigree (having only been a general manager for a few years and not exactly having a stellar record, either).

Many have wondered whether Grigson's influence over decisions like this has decreased this year with his own job in jeopardy, but it sounds like that's not the case. Instead, it sounds like Grigson is very involved with aspects of the team typically left to coaches (Holder notes it has been particularly on the offensive side of the ball), which may have handcuffed Hamilton a bit as to how much control he had and how much he could do. It's hard, then, to understand completely how much Hamilton is to blame. He still didn't impress and is in no way blameless, but perhaps it wasn't all him, either.

Holder also notes that Grigson is "not acting independently" and has the backing of owner Jim Irsay. It's commonly known that Grigson is close with the Irsay family, and apparently Jim Irsay has in turn given Grigson a ton of control - basically to control whatever he wants, it sounds like. The problems, in other words, go all the way to the top with this Colts team, and it's a mess in large part because Jim Irsay has enabled it to become so.

FOX59's Charly Arnolt reported tonight that Grigson's job "is safe for this season" and that he won't be fired mid-year, but the more we hear about this situation, the more it sounds like the root of the problem might be coming from above the coaching staff and Chuck Pagano. Pagano and Hamilton are certainly not without blame and have done enough to warranted being fired, but if Ryan Grigson really is controlling things as much as some of these reports suggest, it looks more and more like Hamilton (and perhaps soon Pagano) are simply scapegoats as Grigson tries to save his own job.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/11/3/96...amilton?ref=yfp



Gee, this sounds vaguely familiar.

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Does Chud still get paid by us now that he's an OC?

Didn't we have a few coaches who chilled as an assistant because of their contract wording here?

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Gee, this sounds vaguely familiar.

Yeah I know...Banner was pretty dangerous...lol laugh

Seriously...Not even close. wink


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When are coaches going to man up and play who they want? It's not like these guys work for Ford Motor and don't have contracts that might give them some cushion for a year or two if they get canned.

I get the person making 50K down at the local factory or middle manager in some office. I don't get head coaches of a NFL team falling to such pressure. They are all paid well, and being paid well offers some degree of freedom


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And Peen just when does that guy who coddles to the FO on who to play...ever remain employed anyway...they are the first to get fired...lol laugh

Its like watching a Horror movie and they unlock that safe car they were hiding in to go into the GARAGE with all the Chain Saws....DON'T DO IT!!!!


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Yep, it's the coaches fault. rolleyes

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I stalk him? Yeah, just like I'm a ref and ban him. Oh, wait, I'm not a ref, nor have I ever been, as he's accused me. Neither do I stalk him.

I agree with him when I agree with him. I disagree when I disagree. Somebody can't handle that.


Well, let's see. In the past 24 hours you've inquired if he's still teaching and where he went to college. It seems to me for someone you really don't care for, that you're extremely interested in some of his personal information.

And NONE of that has anything to do with the subject matter of the posts or football.

You really need to quit trying so hard to discredit people.


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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/661688428044529664

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And so it begins in Indy: Colts have fired offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton, sources tell @MikeWellsNFL and me.


Ryan Grigson still standing though. . .


Can Pep Hamilton play FB and block better than a 5yr old girl? We might have an opening.

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Man, talk about massive dysfunction .....

Report: Colts have players-only meeting, front office deciding lineup - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...deciding-lineup

With each passing week the Indianapolis Colts reveal themselves as a more and more dysfunctional organization. No one's on the same page, there are multiple agendas working and the players are clearly starting to be affected by it.

Proof is in the pudding, as Stephen Holder of the Indianapolis Star reported a pair of things Friday. One, the Colts players called a players-only meeting to hash out issues.

"Over time, concern among players has grown, with some feeling they were beginning to be personally affected and such a meeting was necessary to try and salvage the season."
And two, the Colts' front office is making lineup decisions.

Coach Chuck Pagano and his staff are being directed to follow lineup decisions -- usually the coaches' prerogative -- made by the front office, something numerous NFL sources confirmed. This has been a recurring source of irritation for Pagano and his coaches. During the past several weeks, and even dating to last season, there have been instances in which, sources said, players approached Pagano or his assistants with suggestions or requests, only to be told they could not act on the ideas because of forces beyond their control.
The first issue -- a meeting of just players -- is more of a rally-the-troops function. It's concerning, sure, if the players need the meeting (it more than implies something is going wrong with the team). But these things happen. Given Indy's 3-5 start to the season it's not surprising.

The second issue is a WAY bigger deal. Owners own, coaches coach and players play. There are distinct job descriptions inside the hierarchy of an NFL franchise.

Whether it's Ryan Grigson, Jim Irsay or another member of the front office making the calls about which players should be inserted into the lineup and how they should be used, it's an express matter of dysfunction if it's happening.

Pagano's the one coaching the team, he's got to be free to, you know, coach. It's his job on the line. The Colts wouldn't be undefeated if Pagano had final cut -- Lord knows he's made plenty of mistakes on his own this season.

But all of this is a larger issue and it's clearly beginning to surface in an ugly way. The Colts need a win bad and the Broncos and Peyton Manning are coming to town. Gulp.


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Front offices are too involved with who starts/sits.

Shouldnt be like that... Blame starts in dallas. smh.


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Yikes. They are wasting Andrew Luck.

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almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


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Originally Posted By: pblack18707
almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


Even if actually factual, our problems pale in comparison with the Colts...


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almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


Even if actually factual, our problems pale in comparison with the Colts...


yea. i would hate to have a franchise QB


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almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


Even if actually factual, our problems pale in comparison with the Colts...


yea. i would hate to have a franchise QB


I don't believe we were talking QB's. It was front office interference...


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Originally Posted By: pblack18707
almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


Hey- I'm a helpful guy. I've got a pair of tweezers you can borrow... to get that thorn outta your paw. I think it would be appreciated by many other Dawgs too... I'm sure they're almost as tired of hearing that howl and whimper as I am.


I dig most of your posts, Dawg... but that "one-trick pony" routine of your was old months ago. Is it even possible to take a one-week hiatus from it? By now, I think we all know where you stand.


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Originally Posted By: pblack18707
almost like a GM texting down to the field telling the coaching staff who to play and what plays to run......


Hey- I'm a helpful guy. I've got a pair of tweezers you can borrow... to get that thorn outta your paw. I think it would be appreciated by many other Dawgs too... I'm sure they're almost as tired of hearing that howl and whimper as I am.


I dig most of your posts, Dawg... but that "one-trick pony" routine of your was old months ago. Is it even possible to take a one-week hiatus from it? By now, I think we all know where you stand.



i understand the truth hurts.


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It's not a hurt, it's an old, worn out and wearing, annoyance.


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I could have sworn I posted this--or a very similar--article on the Colt's fire OC thread??? This should have went there.

I think it stinks when the FO interferes that much, but the Browns have a very similar situation and guys ripping on play isn't going to change that.

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