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From the link you posted...

While a large pocket of this fan base sees a two-win team and wonders what the Browns have to lose, Pettine sees a three-game stretch against the AFC North that could very well decide his future. He reserves the right to play the passer he trusts most.


I can see the sense in the above quote. It is Pettine's job to lose. If he sees any way to preserve his own chance to keep his job then he has to take it.

It says in that article:


"The reality in Cleveland, though, is that Pettine and his coaching staff are fighting for their jobs. Despite a summertime promise from owner Jimmy Haslam that Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer would be retained no matter what the season produced, the future is very much up in their air."

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I guess if Haslam goes back on his word that he would just have to have (insert name here) sign a non-disclosure agreement with the team, they would be gone and then that would be that... (?)

he better be gone at the end of the season.

They don't need to try to find a way, just start him. It's your show... It will free up my Sunday afternoons. I'm struggling to find reasons to devote any more time to this team any way... seeing if Manziel can progress would be one thing I might make time to watch... If you want to start McCown so we can lose by 2 touchdowns instead of Manziel for fear we might lose by 3 touchdowns... then I'll have better things to do.

I wonder how Mike Pettine would feel if one of his players was only out for himself and not the team.

we're getting roasted on social media for wanting to start mccown.

It is not hard to get roasted on social media. Especially because non-Browns fans want to see Manziel.

We totally deserve it this time. Our coach is going down with the ship.

Why would social media matter in any way?


As for the allegation that Pettine is only out to protect his job -- ummm, why wouldn't he be?

1. If he loses the job, he's not here for next year
2. If he's not here next year, then in no way at all does it matter to him, in any way, what other players might be able to do.
3. If starting McCown is what gets him to be able to stay here for next year, then that's what he needs to do.

If you accept item #1 & by extension #2, but can't understand item #3, you should take a step back, take a few deep breaths and come back and try again. Repeat until you get it. To suggest anything else suggests that you really feel that he should just simply quit now.

Preaching team and protecting your job while inhibiting the team's long-term future do not match.

It stinks that Pettine's job is at stake, but what's best for the team's future is for Manziel to play. If Pettine is standing in the way of that, then he needs to go (now).

It seems I remember how Chud put building the team for the future rather than win now. We see how that worked out for him and his staff.

So much for that Josh is really Dolph Lundgren theory, now we find out Josh is really a black guy.

I don't agree, but your right. He's playing McCown for his coaching life

If I sent the message that I knew I was correct, that was not my intention. It's simply one of many possible scenarios. I also posted the exact same thing you said about Chud a couple of posts before your response to me. So my mind is open that there could be a host of possibilities.

I do not however believe there is one OBVIOUS reason that trumps them all.

I think the article actually makes the case of why he should be starting. So he can, ya know...learn from his mistakes.

No film room study can replace game reps.

Lets not forget that even Peyton Manning led the league with 28 picks his rookie year leading the Colts to a 3-13 record.

I'm not saying JFF is Manning but what I am saying is that he needs time on the field to develop. Either he gets time this year and gets better or he doesn't. If he does, great. If he doesn't, we look elsewhere.

On that very first play where he's killing Manziel for not going to Duke, it sure looks like that zone defender in front of Benjamin is looking at Manziel and ready to blow that play up if he throws it.

That second play is assuming a lot... I don't know that Benjamin would really have broken a bigger play had the ball gotten there sooner.

That third play is totally full of crap. There are four Bengals defenders between Duke and the marker and only two blockers in that first still. Somehow the Bengals three man rush beat our 5 man OL in the second frame and Manziel had a DL in his face and had to get out of there. And it was actually a pretty good pass that made it to the wideout.

The fourth play, absolutely it was clear he needed to get it out earlier. But "actually he lost yardage with this completion" is a completely ridiculous thing to say.

Fifth play, also making a lot of assumptions, and I think incorrect ones. Looks to me like Gary was doing the clearing out on this play but the Bengal defender stayed at home. Could he have gone to Barnidge there? Yeah, but we don't know what the progression is or if he is supposed to look off the safety first for Duke.


Would have been nice to hit Benjamin on the scramble deep... but that's not gimme... would have had to throw 40 yards downfield accurately on the move there. Could have happened, but no gimme.

Again, he's urging Manziel to throw short of the sticks on third down with zone defenders in place to make the tackle.


Sorry, this dude seems pretty full of crap, and himself. Guy is such a Steve.

J/C...

Here's a few words from Pets presser today....

On knowing if McCown will play this Sunday:

“We’re planning otherwise. Hopefully, we’ll know soon. That’s not a decision, especially with the quarterback, that you want to wait until the end of the week so we’ll see.”

On if McCown will be the starter, if healthy:

“I want to wait to hear that he’s healthy in order to make it, but if he’s ready to go and able to execute the gameplan and not have to change the way you call a game to protect a guy, then yeah, he will be.”

On the decision to stay with McCown over QB Johnny Manziel and long-term effects:

“That decision has not been made. I’d rather answer that question when that happens. We’ve said all along that Josh McCown started the season as our No. 1 quarterback, and he’s been out due to injury and potentially coming back. I get the call for ‘Hey, why not?’ but we’re tasked as coaches to put the roster out there that’s going to give us the best opportunity to win. I understand that as the year goes on those circumstances can change, but we’ll see. We’ll get the information as it comes out with Josh and react to it accordingly.”

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You do realize McCown would have started last week if his body would have let him right?

You do realize they don't have to "try to find a way for Josh to start" All they have too do is say he is starting.

Stop! You're making way too much sense.

What is best for the team is for Johnny to start when and IF he is ready. What is not best for the team is to listen to one damn word you or I say about this.

The problem is right now it's like handing the car keys to your 4 year old. Yes he's got to be able to learn by driving, but at least wait till he's ready.

He's got to be able to do the basic things before any reps are going to help him. Right now the only thing he is practicing are things that will become bad habits. He is not missing the 3rd read here, he is missing the first. The one play where I saw him throw with two feet on the ground, he threw it flat footed. Right now the game is just too big for him.

Yes. That is the problem.

Only for some people.

Like Mike Pettine.

when and IF? hey i am a firm believer in not playing rookies until they are ready but at some point it just gets to the point of cut them or play them. what if he isnt next year? wait until his contract year? that would be stupid.

What if part of Manziel being ready is him playing in games?

well i also think players can learn from the bench. i would have been more impressed if the guy would have stayed in cleveland instead of going out partying and watching his film and trying to learn from his mistakes. it isnt like there was not a good chance he will be starting.

I believe that you all are correct...there are no absolutes here. Manziel will play when there is a reasonable chance for him to succeed. He need not be perfect, but he has to be reasonably prepared...

I'm betting he'll play in the San Fran game. Easier opponent outside the division. Less pressure.

If he is not ready by the end of next year then cut bait and string a new line IMO

??????

That means cut him lose and look for another QB lol

oh ok. well i would be more open to having johnny sit if we had a QB that at least gives you a chance to win.

That cracked you up? Why?

oh man. you got to get a sense of humor vers. if you didnt get a chuckle and give a little head shake over that well then maybe your right and you should quit the browns. we are 2 and 6... all thats left is a chuckle or two.

Maybe because he went from one of the worst QB games possible...to just sucking. Call it progress?!

Plus any time Manziel steps on the field, I inevitably end up laughing at what I'm watching anyway. If you can't laugh, you'd cry. I prefer the former.

Wow. The guy blasts JM on every post he makes. And you two are defending him?

Seriously?

Yeah! what's wrong with you guys!

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What if - they already know that Manziel isn't part of the future and internally are already planning to move on from him after the season?

If the season ended today, we'd get the #2 Overall pick in the 2016 Draft. As it stands, it looks like we're in a race with Detroit for the #1 - and our choice between Goff & Cook. At #2, we're guaranteed one of the two.

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