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Hard time catching, hard time holding onto the ball - yeah...

I love the dude as a goal-line or very short yardage back, but you don't consume a roster spot for just that.

Good luck Turbin!

I don't understand why they just didn't keep Terrelle Pryor, if they weren't going to keep Robert Turbin.

Can I go back in time and remind folks of running backs coach Montgomery, I think, being vocal about not likeing the Rb's, just before they went and got Robert Turbin.

So, I'm asking, is all of this debacle, and missing out on seeing what Terrelle Pryor could do in a Browns uniform, all because the RB's coach was complaining.

The dude is unemployed because not one of the other 31 teams felt the need to see what they were missing out on... and yes, he has had tryouts with other teams - nobody took the bait.

I'll go out on a limb and say that we are not missing out on anything.

waste of a roster spot for 7 weeks. what else is there to say?

Well, that is disappointing. I expected this from many other posters. I did not expect it from you.

I warned you guys all off-season that there is not enough talent on this team. Negative Nancy, hater, glass half empty, etc, etc.

This is what transpires when fans have unrealistic expectations. When the inevitable takes place, you need to blame someone, and that is either the head coach and/or the QB.

So a guy is probably going to lose his job because of this and the real culprit will probably keep his job.

And the Merry-Go-Round of Misery will continue it's ill-fated, predictable course...........except this time.......I am going to jump off.

I just have to ask you one thing, bro. I am NOT asking anyone else. Just you. After all the years that we have posted together and all the predictions, insights, and evaluations have played out............didn't it ever cross your mind that I might have known what the hell I was talking about when I evaluating the Browns before the season? Not at all? Didn't it cross your mind that I was doing it for a REASON other than that I am so freaking negative? That never crossed your mind at all?

What is really disappointing is how quickly you misjudged ddubia. We all sit here waiting for your opinion on our opinions and it is absolutely crushing when you disapprove. ddubia was so nervous about what you thought about his message board personoa that he meant to type "ON" and typed the typo "NO".

Please give him a second chance.

What will his kids think?!?

LOL......you have no idea how far back ddub and I go.

Go back to your relentless bashing of Manziel. That is the only thing you are good at.

Well, that is disappointing. I expected this from many other posters. I did not expect it from you.

I'll answer the last part first. I've always considered you as one of the few on here who do know what you're talking about. You're not always right but your points are well taken, by me, and your track record is excellent throughout the years regardless of the regime/coaching/players. I'm not really sure why you specifically wanted me to answer this unless you somehow think I should blindly take what you say as gospel and thus have no opinion of my own, which I don't believe for a minute, so it leaves me confused as to your purpose.



Now to answer the first part. When you asked if I was being sarcastic about my initial comment my answer was no.

My lone comment was "The players are certainly not being put in the best position to succeed."

You have somehow taken that comment to mean that I think the talent level is good 'n plenty and that the HC should be fired, to be blamed for everything, and that I have ignored the FO above him or proclaimed him as blameless.

How did you get all that from my one comment? Especially considering I've not really weighed in much at all on who is to blame and why throughout this whole ordeal.

Do you think the players are being put in the best position to succeed but lack talent to such a severe level that it simply does no good?

I realize the talent is lacking. That's no secret. But as I watch this team I also wonder if we're really using what talent we do have to their strengths.

* I sometimes wonder if we're playing the right players over others.
* I wonder, as I mentioned further in my second post, why certain players who were doing so well initially somehow disappear later in games.
* I wonder why we quit doing things that were working.
* I wonder why we abandon our running game for long periods.
* I wonder why every game is a game of two halves, one good-one bad, and it's unpredictable as to which will be which.


Does it disappoint you that I didn't say we have no talent therefore the coaching is blameless and then go on a rant about bad drafts, FA acquisitions (as in who we signed and who we didn't sign as though it's like FAs are to simply be plucked off a shelf and signed at will), who we've waived, who we've replaced them with, trades or lack thereof and all the other roster complaints I have but rarely mention and didn't this time because I chose a different subject to comment one sentence on unlike this post in which I'm competing for the longest run on sentence of the day?

Part of me thinks you just wanted to prod me into posting something, anything and the other part makes me think you wanted to battle over something or even to make a point to someone else by using me as a sounding board with feedback in which case I got all day.

Hmmmmmmmmmmn========never mind, then.

We should all just not post and read Versatile Dog's posts. That way we know what to think.

That's it? Never mind?

Thank you. I just saw that. This makes the move make a little more sense.

You know that Belichick plan we talked about in the other thread? Well it really seems like we are witnessing the opposite... it just feels like these guys are making it up as they go along, so many knee-jerk reactions.. draft them / cut them... bring them in as FA / cut them... it's like a revolving door with very little rhyme or reason to the decisions that are made.

The magic 8 ball on Ray's desk disagrees.

Shoot, he's so cutting edge I heard he downloaded a new app that lets the magic 8 ball automatically send text messages of the results to a group on his contact list!

Sure would be great to have a football guy overseeing football operations. I know Farmer is a football guy, a former player, but he's too close to his own actions to oversee them or to oversee his relationship with his HC.

I think he had a bad game, which happens sometimes.

The weird thing about this situation is how much they talked him up, and how he talked about being a future part of this team. The Browns talked about liking him for a long time. He's a proven commodity in the NFL, playing on one of the best teams in the league for one of the best coaching staffs behind one of the best running backs.

Then poof, he's dumped for Bigfoot.

It's just odd is all. This team is odd and strange and weird, IMO.

Berea buzzed with activity on Tuesday as general manager Ray Farmer and the Cleveland Browns completed a flurry of transactions.

As is customary, the moves were met with significant skepticism from both fans and pundits.

The first transaction turned out to be the most surprising and most criticized. On Tuesday morning, the club waived running back Robert Turbin.

The Browns made a point of signing the former Seahawks backup in September, stashing the bruising back for six weeks as he recovered from an injury. Upon his return, Turbin played in three games and received 18 carries for 60 yards. The Utah State product also mishandled two handoffs from Josh McCown against the Cardinals, likely leading to Turbin's demise.

The move puzzled many close followers of the Browns. Head coach Mike Pettine and others had spoken highly of Turbin, so the organization's decision to release him after three games makes little sense.

Glenn Winston will take Turbin's place as the team's third running back. Following the Turbin move, the Browns activated Winston from the reserve / non-football injury list. The club placed Winston on the list on September 1 with a knee injury, and Winston returned to practice the week before the Rams game. The Detroit native played in five games as a rookie in 2014.

Charles Gaines also joined Winston on the active roster today. The Browns activated Gaines today from the injured reserve / designated for return list on September 7 with a hamstring injury. The 2015 sixth round pick also returned to practice before week seven.

Following Joel Bitonio's injury announcement, the Browns elevated offensive lineman Darrian Miller to the team's active roster. Miller spent the first nine weeks of the season on the Browns' practice squad. Miller came to the Browns as an undrafted free agent out of Kentucky. The 6'5, 307 pound rookie will backup Cameron Erving and others on the offensive line.

To make room, the Browns waived linebacker Jayson DiManche and defensive back De'Ante Saunders on Monday. Each player saw the field for the Browns, but neither made a lasting impression.

Tuesday's transactions give the Browns a full roster heading into Sunday's matchup with the Steelers, but Farmer and the Browns still might have moves to make with several other injuries on the roster.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/11/11/...nston-gaines-to

I wouldn't put too much stock into comments they made; they're all going to say whatever positive things they need to say to answer whatever question the media has thrown at them. It's standard P.R.-speak.

As for it being odd... perhaps not. In the end, he didn't show much of anything better than what we're getting now from Crowell... he had one good run of 22 yards, which means his 7 other carries netted him only 11 yards. That's actually kinda pathetic.


If anything, I commend the FO for taking a shot at a guy with a proven track record in the league, but also again for cutting bait on him as soon as it was clear that he wasn't going to work out. This is the kind of thing we need our FO to be doing with the bottom of our roster - find guys that can help, clear out the guys who demonstrate that they cannot help.

I disagree. One of the biggest problems with the Browns is they don't stick with anyone. They don't see anything through. They don't develop anyone. 8 carries and they knew a guy, who they claimed to like a lot based on his track record, wasn't going to work out?

That makes no sense. This guy took up a roster spot for weeks they were so high on him.

I think it speaks more to the dysfunction than anything else. These guys don't really know what they are doing at any level of the organization, and they're not on the same page on top of it. This organization is a hot, stinking mess.

We won't exactly miss his production. Bust IMO.

FWIW, Turbin cleared waivers.

LOL...........but, we kept him on the roster for 6 weeks.

I wish I were surprised by this, but sadly I'm not.

I disagree. A guy was here for only a few weeks while he healed up.

He was here from Sep 10 to Nov 11th. We took a flier on a kid with a decent past, but who needed time to get healthy.

He got healthy and was given time to get up to speed in practices... and he isn't what he once was, so we parted ways after giving him a fair shot.

1. It's not a big deal. It was a bottom-of-the-roster move that had the potential upside to be something much better

2. they moved on as soon as they had enough on him to know that he wasn't going to be what we needed (which is something better than what we've got, and he isn't)

3. it isn't some magical indicator of inherent dysfunction like you want to make it out to be. It's an indicator that they're willing to take chances on guys and aren't afraid to move on from those decisions if they clearly aren't going to work out.


Every move we make isn't some gigantic hoopla... they gave a kid coming off an injury a shot, and he either just isn't going to be able to help us this season, so he's been waived.

Spin it, Purp!!!!

I don't have to... you can go for it though if you need to build it up into more than it is.

Thing is Purp, he was taking up a roster spot that could have been manned by a healthy, contributing player. Had Turbin become healthy and a quality contributor to the degree that we could make good use of him at least for the rest of the season then it was a trade-off that paid-off.

But in this case, he plugged up a roster spot until he was healthy and then once he got healthy we tossed him. It's what I would call a "waste of time and space". Hell, it cost us more to feed him than we got out of him.

Like Dwayne Bowe!

No, not like Dwayne Bowe. Bowe got injured after we signed him. In the case of Turbin, we bought him that way. And that's part of what makes it a head-shaker.

However, what did he really cost the team?

He was on the inactive list for several weeks, as he healed. No big deal. Instead of the 46th best player being active on game days, the 47th best player got a shot. Is that really going to destroy team morale, and/or be the difference between winning or losing games?

Of course not.

It's like with Dwayne Bowe. He wasn't active for many weeks. Why? Because the top 4 receiver spots were "entrenched", and Moore is a special teams ace. Does it matter if that inactive receiver is a guy like Bowe, or if it is some UDFA type? People got all worked up over having him on the roster, and getting paid ...... but what difference does it really make?

Back to Turbin ..... the team took a chance on him, and evidently he did not show enough for him to keep his job once healthy. OK, it happens. The team likes (and has liked for the past couple of years) this Glenn Winston kid. He was on the roster for much of last year, and he was the "last" RB then. He was active for a handful of games, and never touched the ball that I can recall. He was a backup,and that happens with backups.

What is the difference between a healthy Winston last year, and an injured Turbin this year?

Nothing, actually.

I think that fans get caught up in what a player makes, but we don't pay the player's salary. Teams have a minimum salary base, and a salary cap, and if a team has a large salary that is not contributing, it makes no difference as far as fans, or paying customers are really concerned. The team has to reach a certain level of salary payout each year, and if they don't reach that level, then they have to pay everyone on the team a little more to reach that level. So, a guy like Bowe sitting on the sidelines, inactive, matters little in the larger scheme of things, unless the team is up against the cap, and such a player makes it impossible for the team to sign a more worthy player.

Let's face it ..... the bottom of a roster is often one of 2 types of player .... either a veteran who is injured, or on the way out ..... or a young player who is hoping for a chance to be active on game day some day ... and maybe contribute. We have had both, as most teams do. For the problems and issues this team has had in personnel over the years, the 46th player is really far from being the biggest problem .... or even the "46th biggest" problem, for that matter.

And that's a reasonable gamble with the 53rd spot on the roster. Had he been able to return to what he was in Seattle, it would have been a coup. Unfortunately, he wasn't and has lost a step and isn't what he used to be, and so we lost the gamble.

It's the bottom of the roster, one of the spots where guys aren't even active on game day... what contribution were we missing out on, a backup Special Teams gunner?

On the other hand ......

They brought Turbin in to be the 3rd RB, and gave him a shot to win a spot for the year.

Winston was finally healthy enough to return to the field, and so the team was faced with a decision. Do they activate Winston and dump Turbin? Do they activate him and drop another player? Do they not activate him at all?

They chose to activate him and drop Turbin.

In the end, what was lost?

Only 46 out of the total 54 man roster are active on game days. The inactive list was originally a decision made because of the changes made to the IR, coming off of he times where teams would put anyone and everyone on IR from week to week as the needs of the team changed, and IR was a huge stash list. They changed the IR to a "done for the year" list .....so teams cannot use it like they once did any longer. Then they added the one slot that had a player who can return. However, at one time, teams loaded up on "injured" players.

The changes to IR meant that injured players who have shorter term injuries can be carried on the 54 man roster. A team cannot IR a player without losing them for the whole year, so the 54 allows them to carry an injured player who is expected back in a few weeks. (like the Browns did with Turbin) When we have players have concussions, they go on the game day inactive list, and another player will be active on game day in their place. That is how the system works.

The only difference with regards to Turbin is that he was not hurt here. I wonder how many people would have had a major problem with carrying him on the 54 as the Browns did, if he has signed here, played one snap, and then got hurt?

Thanks tab.

I'm not bagging on any of them. But I couldn't see either Turbin or Bowe as "bottom of the roster guys" considering what we were expecting of them.

A miss is a miss. Everybody makes mistakes. I just couldn't see minimizing it.

Imagine if both Turbin and Bowe worked out as planned. I'm sure we'd be better off today.

Yeah,everybody makes mistakes. I hope Winston has learned from his collage day blunders. He certainly was no angel.
The last thing we need is more bad press....hope he works out for us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Winston

I knew none of that about him.