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PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute.

To me that's the crowd Starbucks is appealing to. Anyone that pays $5 for a cup of coffee deserves to be taken to the cleaners.

Go back and read slowly...I realize you got your giddy progressive panties in a bunch thinking "I have a gotcha moment"....but he did say it was a horrifically bad example.

If you look through your frilly pink lace it says this "thread" is a "horrifically bad example" of the "concerted effort to remove the religious foundation of Christmas from public places".

Since y'all are arguing over what I said, let me clear it up.. yes, I said this thread is a horrific example.. to be more clear i should have said the topic of this thread, aka, the Starbucks cup... is a horrifically bad example. It's a non-issue with most people. The only people really concerned about it are a small percentage of Christians, those appealing to that small percentage to get a rise out of them, Starbucks who will make money, and the media who gets clicks for making a much bigger deal out of it than it actually is.

So how did this even become a story, and why are you making it more than it is?

This is what happens when the past years have had continual complaints about "Merry Christmas" and mangers.

Why? Do you get upset when people make an issue out of Christmas stuff?

So I'm sitting here in lovely Charleston, SC this week and a FB post gave me an idea... on the corner of Calhoun and St. Phillips in downtown Charleston is a Chick-Fil-A.. across from it is a Starbucks...

So I went in and bought a chicken sandwich from the evil abusive Christian folks... then walked across and bought a cup of coffee from the evil Christmas-killing Starbucks folks... and I took them up to Marion Park and gave them to a homeless guy. He was not offended by either.. and do you know why? Because he has real problems.

MUSLIM TRUCK DRIVERS REFUSE TO DELIVER BEER, GET $240,000

'Everyone has a right to observe his or her religious beliefs'

Two Muslim truck drivers were awarded $240,000 by a federal jury in Peoria, Illinois last month after they were fired for refusing to deliver beer because they claimed that doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/muslim-truck-drivers-refuse-to-deliver-beer-get-240000/

Queue the Kim Davis haters.

Before Christmas comes there will be the obligatory complaint that mangers aren't in front of city hall, in spite of the fact you can probably see plenty on your drive there.

It seems that if every public space doesn't have a manger then Christians need to run for the catacombs.

I think it is ridiculous that we have a reached a point in which if someone says Merry Christmas to someone that doesn't celebrate that they could sneer or complain. Just smile and nod and move on.

I'll give you a hint, it's a 5 letter word that starts with an M... and they make a living by stirring crap up and making a mountain of controversy out of a molehill of an issue.

Private business doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding because of your religious beliefs? Get sued out of business, publicly ridiculed, pay 6 figure fines for violating THEIR rights.

Private employee doesn't want to deliver beer for your employer because of your religious beliefs? Sue, get praised, win 6 figure settlement...

At least we are consistent.

MUSLIM TRUCK DRIVERS REFUSE TO DELIVER BEER, GET $240,000

'Everyone has a right to observe his or her religious beliefs'

Two Muslim truck drivers were awarded $240,000 by a federal jury in Peoria, Illinois last month after they were fired for refusing to deliver beer because they claimed that doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/muslim-truck-drivers-refuse-to-deliver-beer-get-240000/

What consistency are you looking for? Do you want employees to be subject to the same laws as businesses? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, other than the overdone obvious one.

So, if a pork processing plant doesn't hire muslims, is that discrimination?

Number of people upset about Starbucks cups: 20,000
Number of people mocking them, creating memes, making videos, and keeping it in the news, thus making it LOOK like it's a big deal: 200,000,000

So, if a pork processing plant doesn't hire muslims, is that discrimination?

Do abortion clinics hire professed Born Again Christians?

Can I get a job at Budweiser, convert to Islam, and be unfirable?

You folks love your strawmen, I'll give you that. Star Transport conceded that they had every capability to accomodate the civil rights request. Easily I might add, because they often swapped loads between drivers. Had Star Transport been able to prove that swapping the loads would be difficult, then I would agree with everyone here that Star Transport should have won.

But you folks are arguing that if I was jewish or muslim and wanted to practice a religious holiday, and a Christian was able to take my place that day who didn't practice and therefore would be able to work, that my boss could say no, either show up or be fired. I swapped days with people all the time as a cashier working part time, I'm not sure why it's offensive to the three of you?

But hey, go ahead and say that cashiers swapping time card slots is the same as starbucks cups or cakes.

Every year at my company we lose another vacation day but we gain a diversity day. Same number of days in the end but just employee choice instead of company mandated.

Star Transport conceded that they had every capability to accomodate the civil rights request. Easily I might add, because they often swapped loads between drivers. Had Star Transport been able to prove that swapping the loads would be difficult, then I would agree with everyone here that Star Transport should have won.

Well, seeing as so many states (Maryland, New York, Vermont and others) have school districts that are now closing for Muslim holidays, you could most likely just give everyone a Muslim holiday off. Diversity day indeed.

Problem is schools are calling them student diversity days, seasonal breaks etc.

All this but do not pray in the schools, do not celebrate Christmas, Halloween, Easter etc. What a shame. We have permitted this country to go down this path without so much as a whimper. We are weak.

you've implied that people should leave their religion at home when they go to work.

Let me ask you this, if you're a Jew and want off Jewish holidays, and the company you work for takes typical government holidays (like Christmas), should you have to take a personal day for Yom Kippur?

I hold all employees to the same standard.

Just like with Kim Davis.......

If you can't do your job, get another job.

I'd appreciate a quote from me on this if you please. I may be anti-religion but I can't recall saying anything you're claiming I've said...

It depends on the job site, IMO. I think a person should be able to get Yom Kippur off if they can swap it for another holy day like Christmas, without using PTO. But some jobs straight up close on Christmas, so it may not be feasible to have them work on that day. We all have to make tough choices on things we love. For some it's Yom Kippur, others Ramadan, for yet others it's the Rose Bowl