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cdawg...now think about what I said...that the entire team knows that Johnny is Haslam's boy.
Do you honestly believe that those on our roster are so blind and out of touch that they don't know that Haslam want's Johnny to be the starter?
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I'm cool with McCown starting for rest of season. Get Manziel in there with the ones next season in training camp when he has Josh Gordon back, and hopefully another high round Wr to help him excel. This will help him build chemistry with his offense. He won't be able to do much with this supporting cast this year.
And it terms of draft position... McCown may win 1 or 2 games. He's a bum. So he'll actually help our draft position.
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Just what would expect Thomas and Greco to say to a local sports writer, talking about your own QB?
Everyone on this team knows that Johnny is Haslam's boy and they know how to address the media when asked anything about Manziel.
First of all, Joe T has been critical of Johnny in the past. I think that some of you don't want Johnny to improve. Secondly, what proof do you have that "everyone on this team knows that Johnyy is Haslam's boy...?"
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cdawg...now think about what I said...that the entire team knows that Johnny is Haslam's boy.
Do you honestly believe that those on our roster are so blind and out of touch that they don't know that Haslam want's Johnny to be the starter?
......COME ON MAN !..... They do? Sorry, I don't see that. You are making stuff up.
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Just what would expect Thomas and Greco to say to a local sports writer, talking about your own QB?
Everyone on this team knows that Johnny is Haslam's boy and they know how to address the media when asked anything about Manziel.
First of all, Joe T has been critical of Johnny in the past. I think that some of you don't want Johnny to improve. Secondly, what proof do you have that "everyone on this team knows that Johnyy is Haslam's boy...?" I quote this just in case Mac missed it the first time. I dont know if Mac is a conspiracy theorist, drama queen or just makes stuff up.
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In the loss to Cincinnati, Manziel admitted that there were several easy short throws he missed or did not see. Pettine said reviewing video of the game will help. "Any quarterback who's in that position has to learn it," Pettine said. "Sometimes the only way to learn it is the live reps and get a sense of the game, and when you get a chance to get to the film and say, 'Wow, that guy is wide-open and I didn't see him.'"That blind faith or that trust has to be information gathered." ESPN At least Pettine gets it. That's all that matters to me.
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When you say everybody, exactly who do you mean...
Can you read the 53 names on the Browns roster?
...let me help you out... roster
A step further is the waiver every team member has to sign spelling out that there is a gag order on them all to not talk about any of this or they forfeit the season's game checks.
All this was obtained from one of Grossi's team sources.
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And you touched on something that I think is very important.
The game is "just now starting" to slow down for him. If I gave the impression he could learn nothing from the bench, my apologies. But it's my firm belief he won't become "ready to start" from riding the pines.
I believe it's safe to say we both understand that nothing will help develop a QB more than game reps and film on those reps. Nothing will help slow the game down for a QB and help him play to full game speed more than live reps.
I don't believe JFF will come out and light it up. I believe what we can hope for at best is to see him develop, improve and become more effective. If so, we have something to build on. If no progress is shown, we have a clear answer moving forward.
The only place we disagree is that I expect the same thing from out coaching staff and FO. Such a low bar. I want my first round QB to excel, not "become more effective". He'd have to find a way to give himself a concussion to be less effective. A year and a half in and we're hoping for competence. Anyone other than this guy would be tarred and feathered for his current performance. I'm not directing that at you necessarily PitDAWG, I'm just so baffled by the amount of slack he gets...
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And you touched on something that I think is very important.
The game is "just now starting" to slow down for him. If I gave the impression he could learn nothing from the bench, my apologies. But it's my firm belief he won't become "ready to start" from riding the pines.
I believe it's safe to say we both understand that nothing will help develop a QB more than game reps and film on those reps. Nothing will help slow the game down for a QB and help him play to full game speed more than live reps.
I don't believe JFF will come out and light it up. I believe what we can hope for at best is to see him develop, improve and become more effective. If so, we have something to build on. If no progress is shown, we have a clear answer moving forward.
The only place we disagree is that I expect the same thing from out coaching staff and FO. Such a low bar. I want my first round QB to excel, not "become more effective". He'd have to find a way to give himself a concussion to be less effective. A year and a half in and we're hoping for competence. Anyone other than this guy would be tarred and feathered for his current performance. I'm not directing that at you necessarily PitDAWG, I'm just so baffled by the amount of slack he gets... You think he gets slack? Anyone who reads this site would think otherwise. He hasn't played! People stop giving slack after they can actually see some results. He's played 4 games. - lets give him a chance.
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He doesn't get "slack." He gets ripped on like the final evaluation is a given.
Personally, I don't think he is going to ever be a really good or great qb, but the amount of hate he receives on here bothers me.
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his in the pocket throws don't have confidence sometimes and you can see him hurrying when he does stay in the pocket...2nd half Bengals.
But I see him make some throws so perfect in those small windows when he is relaxed and right now he is most relaxed running out of the pocket. If he keeps that quality (After Plays break down) and GETS IT from the the pocket and have the game slow down to get n that comfort level - I think he can be great. Of course if he never improves that quality...then he will have a job in the NFL but not as a starter.
Looking forward to see his improvement as first back to back Starts as a real prospect not the imitation stuff from last year.
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And he'd still play McCown if he is healthy. That has to tell you something.
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Let's hope the Big Ben thing is just a bluff. It will be easier for him if he isn't playing catch-up ball starting in the first quarter.
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And he'd still play McCown if he is healthy. That has to tell you something. And he'd still play McCown if he is healthy. That has to tell you something. The whole thing is convoluted. - We play the guy that gives us the best chance to win (we played McCown when he would barely walk). - Manziel isn't ready (then why is he playing at all, even as the backup). - We don't want to play Manziel just to see what we have (we cut Turbin so we can "have a peak" at the other running backs). It's a mess.
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I disagree I think he hasn't played because McCown was putting up some good numbers. McCown is the starter, hus he is the one who should play if healthy. I have not seen him do anything to lose the job.
As for Johnny. I don't think it is fair for anybody to judge him at this time. He has not played, and when he has it has been here ad there. If he is to be evaluated, he has got to play numerous games in a row.
Until he plays a significant amount of games as the starter, I don't think it is fair to judge his future. I'm not saying he should start over McCown, since McCown is rated pretty high for his play so far this year.
IMO, untl Johnny plays more than a game here and there, all we can expect is what we are seeing. He is not going to get better watching, he needs experience at this point to show if he can play or not.
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I don't think it is as convoluted as you think it is.
I don't think they need to play Johnny to know what they have. I think they know very well what they have. Just look at the VERY public and direct comments that both Pett and the OC have made in the press this week to shoot down/counter things that Johnny has said in attempts to downplay things about his game last week. To me, it speaks volumes - they have a kid whose first instinct/reaction is to still do things HIS way and not the way he is being coached to do it. No player can do that and expect to get regular playing time unless the coach's hand is forced in the matter (i.e. by injury to a starter). There's little room in an NFL scheme for a freelancer, especially when the freelancing causes the player to miss plays that are there to be made.
As for Turbin - we didn't cut him so we could take a peek at the others, we cut him because he wasn't up to the challenge. A side effect of that is that we get to take a peek at the other(s), but it isn't the reason we did it. As soon as we saw what we had with Turbin, we let him go. It's not baffling at all.
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I don't think it is as convoluted as you think it is.
There's little room in an NFL scheme for a freelancer, especially when the freelancing causes the player to miss plays that are there to be made.
That is an interesting take...Pet does seem to indicate as such and would explain why Josh continues to start...and if true - seems fair enough. Apparently he free-lanced in A&M most of the time so you'd have to think when he gets nervous or tries to carry the team, he would resort back to old habits.
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I don't think it is as convoluted as you think it is.
I don't think they need to play Johnny to know what they have. I think they know very well what they have. Just look at the VERY public and direct comments that both Pett and the OC have made in the press this week to shoot down/counter things that Johnny has said in attempts to downplay things about his game last week. To me, it speaks volumes - they have a kid whose first instinct/reaction is to still do things HIS way and not the way he is being coached to do it. No player can do that and expect to get regular playing time unless the coach's hand is forced in the matter (i.e. by injury to a starter). There's little room in an NFL scheme for a freelancer, especially when the freelancing causes the player to miss plays that are there to be made.
As for Turbin - we didn't cut him so we could take a peek at the others, we cut him because he wasn't up to the challenge. A side effect of that is that we get to take a peek at the other(s), but it isn't the reason we did it. As soon as we saw what we had with Turbin, we let him go. It's not baffling at all. I'm not sure you watched Johnny's presser from Wednesday but instead read the article on that by Mary Kay. If you watch the presser you'll easily see that there were several things he said that she twisted to have a different meaning. I'm not saying Johnny is perfect but Mary Kay really did a job on him and then her very next article was scathing as she made up things again only this time even worse. It's like she's got an agenda against him. I don't want to appear to be mac-like but I watched his presser first, watched it twice even, and then read her article and thought, "He didn't say THAT!", several times. I'd give examples but watching it says it all.
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I haven't watched any pressers - I'm completely over devoting that much time to things.
I've seen articles, and I've seen quotes from the coaches - unfortunately, yes, I am at the mercy of the writers to frame the quotes in an accurate context - which is something that nearly no reporter ever does any more, because it's sexier and generates more clicks if put a different shine on things and lead the reader's mind to take something in a different light.
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Be fair! Maybe Mac is all three. After all, he has a right to his own opinions. Mac has skills!
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Mary Kay definitely has an agenda against Manziel.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I see MKC as trying to be more social worker type journalist. Seems to offer opinions on how we should address dysfunction, what the NFL should do, any negativity she can gin up. That is becoming a regular sports page feature in USA Today, where opinions about sports figures and management failures and Goodell's actions (or inactions or wrong actions) are given lots of print space. Sure beats sports coverage proper, much easier.
I do not pretend not to care about Rice, Peterson, and the other related issues of conduct and discipline. But they are not why I like reading sports stuff. But this is one person's opinion, and it neglects team stories. I guess it is all tabloid writing to gear it down to the worst of ESPN and People Magazine coverage.
Just the facts, please. Too much author is too little news. Not sure these are "pundits" or experts on the items upon which they opine and expound.
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As for Turbin - we didn't cut him so we could take a peek at the others, we cut him because he wasn't up to the challenge. A side effect of that is that we get to take a peek at the other(s), but it isn't the reason we did it. As soon as we saw what we had with Turbin, we let him go. It's not baffling at all. Taking a peek were Pettine's words, not mine.
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Obviously we took a peek at Turbin and cut him...Point blank If Turbin was any good he'd be here. He was not let go cause we want to take a peek (not saying he didn't say those words) but we aren't going to state in public...we let Turbin go cause he sucks. Fact is taking a peek a look a shot with Winston was more valuable than keeping Turbin on the Roster.
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Obviously we took a peek at Turbin and cut him...Point blank If Turbin was any good he'd be here. He was not let go cause we want to take a peek (not saying he didn't say those words) but we aren't going to state in public...we let Turbin go cause he sucks. Fact is taking a peek a look a shot with Winston was more valuable than keeping Turbin on the Roster.
jmho No. Pettine said one of the reasons Turbin was cut was so we could "take a peek" at the other running backs. My point is this, if we are "taking a peek" at other players on the roster, why not QB?
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Johnny had a nice game against the Steelers, despite the loss. Good for him.
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Johnny had a nice game against the Steelers, despite the loss. Good for him. Especially the OL and RBs didn't bother showing up .... and the receivers only seemed to play half the game. He played really well.
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He's figuring things out.
Let's hope he can keep improving.
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Yep he is the only bright spot in a pretty awful season.
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I assume he'll be named starter moving forward. Got a bye coming up, give him the reps and throw him in there.
Horse is out of the barn, I liked the way he looked today and there is no point going back to McCown.
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yea he was clearly in the endzone, no idea why that one wasnt overturned. Hell I dont know why benji's td was negated, didnt look like he ever came within 3 or 4 inches from the sideline?
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Where is Deputy, Stetson, Purp, Dj, and mac?
Let me guess.............they will wait until later in the week to start their bashing once again?
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I'm right here, thanks for your concern.
If I watched much of the game, I'd bash him right now.
How many points did he put up, again? At least we pulled out the W, though, right?
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Lol, he played well today. surely you saw that , purp.
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What I saw didn't totally suck, but after the 1st quarter I largely tuned it out and did yard work.
Unless I'm just wanting a chuckle, I find the games unwatchable anymore.
He seemed to do a LOT better at staying in the pocket today, but that batted pass on the first series really had me shaking my head.
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It wasn't a batted pass. The ball flat out fell out of his hand. Nobody hit him. Nobody batted the ball. He flat out lost it on his wind up.
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Our offensive penalties didn't hurt us, nor did #74 have rookie struggles, Manziel was awful , eh guys?
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Batted passes happen. That would be nothing to shake your head about.
What actually happened would.
Keen eye there.
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