DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum How many wins does Mike Pettine need to keep his job?

If Pet is gone, dont rule out Ray Horton when things blow up in Tenn. he left because of things between the staff and Lombardi not because of the Haslam's who he is friends with. Saban is still target #1 but Horton fans may get there guy after all.

then they must have worried about it from day one...

When you are willing to throw other people under the bus to save your job, that probably means you aren't keeping your job either.

With Pettine driving the bus that's thumping over his coaching staff, is it still continuity if just he HC and a few others stay?

I don't think Pettine or Farmer are still around next year so it's a moot point.

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Good, I'm getting very tired of Pettine, quite quickly. It seems to me that he is going to blame everyone but himself out the door.

Which is funny, because his hardheaded ways have caused us to lose more games than not by sticking to this abortion of a defensive scheme. I never want to see the 3-4 ever again. I'm so sick of this scheme.

good. hopefully Farmer is out, too.

BTW, one of the names thrown around is a guy I'd love to see in Cleveland.

I want Doug Marrone. He did a fantastic job beginning to turn around the Bills before management decided to blow it all up for Rex Ryan.

A Doug Marrone-Jim Schwartz pairing would be awesome.

Well, he HAS been here 2 years. Getting fired is par for the course.

Let's start over again. That's par for the course also.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

What sucker will we be able to hire this time? Especially if that sucker knows he has exactly 2 years to turn it around.

Schwartz would be awesome. I think he will get a head job somewhere though.

He is running out of opportunities ...

As in 2017 ?

As in the 2016 season. But you knew that.

Yesterday was last year, today is this year and you said next year..

If you would have said next year yesterday than I would have known that next year was this year...

But what ever year, I think your right that we won't see neither of them this season.

Gee, I hope we blow the whole darn thing up .... again .... for the 3rd time in 4 years.

Year 1: Boot Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur. OK, they had a couple of years .... but it was new ownership ....... so that wasn't completely horrible.

Year 2: Fire the coach, then decide that the President and GM screwed things up, so fire them too.

Year 4 ..... Fire the GM and coach again. I am sure that we'll be able to get a top quality person this time ...... someone who isn't just chasing a final paycheck, like Holmgren did .....

Yeah, it'll work .... this time! Really!

I truly wonder why I continue to watch, care about, and support this train wreck. In the past 8 years, we have had 5 different head caches, and almost as many GMs. That's how you build a program .... with this kind of incredible continuity ..... and stability.

I think that Pettine has made mistakes as a 2nd year head coach. I also think that he has handled some difficult situations well. Other teams would go to the coach and say "Make changes to the staff in the areas we had trouble in this past year", and give a young head coach a chance to grow into the job. We probably won't though .... and many fans will be happy if we make yet another change at head coach, even if it means we bring in a guy like Bob Babich, from Jacksonville, who has a worse defense than we have, because a top flight coordinator, or other coaching possibility, is never going to take this as his (potential) one shot at the big chair. Why would anyone who has options come here? Seriously. So he could be the 4th head coach fired by Haslam in 5 or 6 years as owner?

This team, and owner, needs to re-establish some credibility. If they make another coaching change this year, I think they will have lost every bit of credibility they had left. I think that it will be extraordinarily hard to attract any coaching candidate with any great value if we start over again for the 4th time in Haslam's 5 years. I think that we would have to start again with a rookie coordinator, and not a guy on the top of anyone's list.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/some_browns_staffers_emerge_fr.html#incart_m-rpt-1\\

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns staffers emerged from a meeting with coach Mike Pettine Friday morning feeling like he'll be fired after the season, multiple sources told cleveland.com.

The Browns close out the year Sunday against the Steelers at FirstEnergy Stadium. The last four head coaches have been fired following a season-ending loss to the Steelers.

The sources said Pettine talked to Browns owner Jimmy Haslam about the coaching staff and was told that a decision wouldn't be made until after the game and after a possible move in the personnel department on Monday.

Related: Mike Pettine: 'I absolutely want to finish out and then some'

In addition to Pettine, general manager Ray Farmer is also on the hot seat for the club's 3-12 record this season. In their two years together, Pettine and Farmer have gone 10-21, including losses in 17 of their last 20 games. If they lose to the Steelers, they will finished 1-5 against the AFC North, including losses of 30-9 to the Steelers and 37-3 to the Bengals.

Clearly, the Browns have fallen behind the division instead of closing the gap.

Several sources believe that Pettine and defensive coordinator Jim O'Neil will both be fired after their defense struggled all season. The Browns head into the game 26th in overall defense and 32nd against the run. They're 29th in points allowed, surrendering 26.9 points per game. It remains to be seen if offensive coordinator John DeFilippo will be given the opportunity to stay after the offense made strides this season.

If Haslam fires both Pettine and Farmer after saying in August that wouldn't blow the thing up, he will likely cite the downward trend of the team this season. When he made those remarks, the Browns were coming off a 7-9 season and optimistic about this year. He felt the team was still "directionally correct'' despite the fact it lost its last five games. He can't say the same about this year.

Pettine, who spent the bulk of his time this year helping coach the offense, acknowledged that his defense -- the major reason he was hired -- has been the biggest disappointment.

"It's been a source of frustration,'' he said. "It's tough for me, too, when that's my area of expertise and it's an area where we've fallen short, especially this year where I felt like we've overachieved offensively. If you look at exactly what you're saying, the roster, the investment, we've underachieved [on defense].

"We're not going to make excuses. It is a source of frustration, disappointment and something that myself and the defensive staff show up here every day to work and get corrected. Some areas we've gotten better and others we haven't."

Several defensive players have complained this season about the defense or the way they've been used, including outside linebacker Paul Kruger, who went from a team-high 11 sacks last year to only 2.5 this season.

He was vocal on Thursday about how the defense didn't adjust to the opponent this year.

"You can't play the same play every game and expect to have the same result because offenses are different,'' he said. "They have key standout players at different positions. I think that's one thing. Other than that, we've been in good situations. It's just a matter of us going out and getting it done. It's hard to say overall without really sitting down and thinking about it.''

He acknowledged that he didn't feel he was used properly.

"Personally, I probably wouldn't say so,'' he said. "I don't have too much more to say about it but I don't think I was utilized in the best way.''

One source said that Pettine should've jumped in to save the defense when it was floundering.

If Haslam does fire Pettine, he'll have plenty of competition for the best head coaching candidates in the NFL. As many as eight or nine teams could have vacancies, and the Browns will have to overcome their reputation for lack of job security. Pettine would be the third head coach Haslam has fired since he took over in 2012.

Candidates will also look closely at the uncertain quarterback position, with Pettine admitting Thursday that 'there are problems' with Johnny Manziel that need to be addressed in the offseason.

Related: Pettine admits Johnny Manziel has problems that need to be address in the offseason

O'Neil, who's been with Pettine for seven years, campaigned for Pettine to stay whether he's here or not. Pettine, meanwhile, acknowledged there will be changes in the staff if he stays.

"I think he's done an unbelievable job, and I've worked for some great coaches in my years in this profession,'' said O'Neil. "If you ask me and my two cents, stability is the answer. It's not cleaning the slate every couple years. Cleveland has been down that path. In my opinion, that's not the right way to go.

"Whether I'm here or not, whether the offensive coordinator is here or not or the whatever coach is here or not, Mike Pettine is the right guy for this organization and Mike Pettine is the right guy for this city."

It remains to be seen if Haslam agrees

Thats how I feel also...even last year when it seemed like they was getting everything together..then well they didnt...I was never enamored with him or his scheme.

I'm not sure who will take this job or who I would want...but if they reboot AGAIN I hope its the last one for a long time.

I'm one that would be all in for Horton, as long as we pair a GM that's on the same page with him.

Horton's defense is a whopping 2 spots ahead of the Browns in total defense. (#27 to #29)

Why would Saban come here?

Seriously. If Saban feels that he has one more opportunity to coach in the NFL, and is going to put his reputation on the line, why would he come to a team that has blown things up 3 times in 4 years? I wouldn't. I love a challenge, but I would want a team that would at least offer a modicum of stability, and which would allow me the time necessary to turn around a team with very little success over the past 2 decades.

Pettine was right about a couple of things. You have to change the mentality in the building. You have to have veteran leadership to hold players accountable in a way that coaches cannot.

Usually this means a new coach changing the players on the team, and in large numbers, so that he gets the guys he wants in leadership positions. (as coaches, and in the various units ... like McCown this year for the QBs)

So, a new coach can almost guarantee a new round of gutting of the roster. Certain players may not fit the new schemes, and will be gone. (even if they might be among our better players) Wash, rinse, repeat.

If Haslam makes changes, and winds up with another coordinator as head coach, and a modest level personnel guy as GM, then this will have the look of another failure in the search process, and will certainly appear to set the team up for yet another change in a couple of years. (if the new guys make it that long)

with the reports that Coughlin will resign from the NYG on Monday, I'd love for him to come here to kickstart the franchise. He's exactly the type of personality needed to clean house and rebuild IMO.

This is what happens when there are false expectations leading into a season.

Before the season, a few of tried saying that this team didn't have enough talent to compete for the playoffs. We were lambasted by the very same people who are now demanding that Pet be fired. LOL..........it's like an vinyl record that has a scratch in it and keeps playing the same part of a song over and over and over and over.

Unless we can get Saban, and YTown is right that the odds are long for that happening, I see no point in firing Pettine. What happened to the continuity thing that y'all were preaching?

The entire situation is sickening.

Trolling the Bills boards and looks like Rex wants Pet back as DC if he gets canned

Ge is like 90 years old

[quote]Haslam's integrity is on the line..who would want to work for him?[/quote

I agree...what I'm hoping whoever the next guy is sees Haslam has been an owner for a very short time...and maybe thinks he has learned from his mistakes

But I would want guarantees in my contract...no firing of the head coach for 3yrs hell longer...no matter the record.

And put together a staff that will work together...if possible....but damn as one poster says roll out the brinks truck and pay what you have to pay to get the best available...or at least who Haslam thinks is the best..and let them go to work.

I wont be upset if Pet stays...but I've never liked the guy...all talk and I saw the Browns punching no one in the mouth or playing more physical then the opponent this yr.

'Report: Haslam wouldn’t answer when Pettine asked if he’s safe'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 2, 2016, 8:39 AM EST

Publicly, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has said nothing about whether coach Mike Pettine will return for the 2016 season. And Haslam isn’t answering that question privately either.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports that Pettine asked Haslam to tell him whether he’d be back beyond Sunday’s season finale or not, and Haslam refused to answer.

“Pettine actually asked him, ‘Have you made a decision about my future?’ And Haslam would not answer, and that essentially ended that meeting,” Rapoport said on NFL Network.

Haslam’s refusal to answer strongly suggests that he’s not going to bring Pettine back: If Haslam believes Pettine is the right man for the job going forward, presumably he’d tell Pettine that.

So the Browns, who in the last eight seasons have gone from Romeo Crennel to Eric Mangini to Pat Shurmur to Rob Chudzinski to Mike Pettine appear poised to make yet another coaching change. And hope that the next coach can win a playoff game, something none of the Browns’ coaches since their 1999 return has been able to do.

I couldnt imagine sitting in front of my boss and having that conversation...That mustve felt very motivating for the Steeler's game

Yeah, it reminds me of the trade talks of Joe T, Mack, Mingo, etc right before a game.

That was Haslams way of telling Pet not to screw up the draft pick..

Not sure I would be cool with being stuck with a coach that gave us 1-15, 3-13, 2-14, 4-12, 4-12 seasons..

Would make for some good draft picks for the next HC, If they can ever figure that out.

I get that...but man we already have terrible records so not much would change now would it...but how in the world is Haslam going to get someone if they dont feel like they will be here no more then 2yrs??

It was just a thought not an absolute...but Haslam is going to have to do something outside the norm to bring anyone decent here...and honestly I wouldnt stick with Pettine either...but I understand why he would...even though its looking like thats not happening.

I'm pretty much indifferent on Pettine at this point. I used to kinda like him and think he was given zero talent, but his recent comments about his staff have grown sour on me.

Safe to say he'll be gone in 48 hours. He'll be hired as a defensive staff member somewhere in the league.

I really don't believe many of us were asking for too much. At least I wasn't.

To me, it wasn't about the record. I pretty much agree with you that talent is lacking. That's on Farmer.

But I believe if we're both being honest, Pettine has shown nothing to indicate progress in his coaching. You know, the basics that we both learned in high school. Clock management, tackling, using players to their strengths. What I expected to see was improvements in basic coaching fundamentals of the game, which I saw none of.

I try to compartmentalize. The talent falls on the shoulders of the GM. Game management, basic football decisions and game plans fall on the HC and execution falls upon the players. Pettine was a rookie HC last year. I expected a lot of mistakes and saw them. This year I simply expected some of the basic tasks of a HC improve. I believe that's a reasonable expectation. I simply didn't see it.

If Jimmy finds a guy who gets us into winning playoff games and winning the division consistently.. Then give the guy the money and the contract.

I seen where some people want Jimmy to give a guy the whole bank before he has even proved anything..That doesn't sit well with me.

We've seen to much money leave Cleveland on a failed HC, who pocketed lots of money for nothing.

Get a guy in.. and reward him for his success.. Make them earn it.

Not my money so it doesnt matter to me...I understand your thought process but this situation is toxic and its going to take coin and some kind of guarantee the person gets more then 2yrs...guess we are going to find out soon enough wont we

Or maybe he will shock the world and keep Pett...

I still don't understand why he wouldn't of went back to being more involved with getting the D back on track..

The only thing I can think of is he figured he had another season to get back to the D..

He may have wanted to assure the Offense would be fine under Flip and he would then go back and fix Flop.