DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Johnny Manziel will start for the rest of the season.

Happy for Johnny. The rest of the season just got worth watching.

manziel is gonna atleast make the offense exciting, whether he's making big plays or completely creating laughable moments.

Well Johnny didn't win the job from McCown but it was eventually going to happen either way in a losing season. The problem has been the lack of a running game and of the defense taking a vacation. Lets hope we do better in this next draft than we have in the last few drafts and/or that Manziel and Gilbert show they were not wasted picks.

Thank goodness, either way we can move on from talking about this guy's "potential", it'll either be evident or it won't.

I honestly think he's stepping into things at a great time for him. I know the final stats didn't bear it out last week but I think the defense has actually started improving and he'll have a lot more low scoring games to maybe grab a win or two.

Here's hoping for the best.

After Johnny's first touch on the ball where he lost it... Johnny came back in the next series and moved the ball.. He didn't get shaken from it he kept composed.

He has Pet praising him and saying he played one hell of a game..

It maybe a little early to say he's turned the corner, It's just a feeling you get about someone. However I can't see him going back to last years antics.

most of them do...against us

I mentioned something like this in the other JM thread.. Johnny will turn into another Hoyer and then we get to see McCown again. Again all in 2016.

I would be very happy to pick up our Super Bowl winning QB next draft and have him sit 3 yrs behind Johnny as Johnny is getting us into the play-offs and earning respect for the team.

I'm not going to jink this next draft by saying we are going to blow it'

Keeping my we rock it !!!!

I hope you are correct and he has turned the corner. As far as his social missteps, I need to see a bit more time out of trouble and better judgement before I would be willing to build an entire NFL team around him.

Did you not see the Tennessee game?

That was it. Just one. There won't be many more because we don't have any healthy receivers left.

Flip, get your head out and call a serious game plan. Get all the "questions" answered now.

Good luck, kid.

Hope you are right. No leads to speak of, and a secondary handing out scores like Halloween candy, so he had better cut loose while he can. Let him run some more.

Nothing to see here folks.

Just rearranging the chairs on the "Titanic."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/11/johnny_manziel_not_disciplined.html#incart_2box

Johnny Manziel not disciplined by NFL for Oct. 12 incident with girlfriend, league announces

BEREA, Ohio -- The day started out great for Johnny Manziel and got better as it went along.

In the morning, he was named the Browns starting quarterback for the final six games of the season, beginning Nov. 30th against the Ravens. In the afternoon, he learned that he won't be disciplined by the NFL for his Oct. 12 roadway incident involving his girlfriend, Colleen Crowley.

In a statement, the NFL cited "an insufficient basis on which to take disciplinary action.'' The league noted that it interviewed Manziel, Crowley, Avon police and others before deciding to clear him.

"Consistent with the procedures of the league's Personal Conduct Policy, we have examined the available evidence regarding the recent incident involving Johnny Manziel,'' the statement said. "Our investigation included a thorough review of information from law enforcement and our own interviews with multiple individuals, including the two involved in the incident.

"Based on the information gathered, we have concluded that there is an insufficient basis on which to take disciplinary action. In all cases of this nature, our concern under the Personal Conduct Policy goes well beyond the issue of discipline, and we have made comprehensive professional resources available on a confidential basis.''

It's unknown if Manziel, who spent 10 weeks in an addiction treatment centern the offseason, is in the NFL's substance abuse program or of his admission of drinking in any way violated his treatment plan if he is.

But the league took the personal conduct matter very seriously because Crowley told witnesses during the incident that Manziel hit her a couple of times and shoved her head into the window of his car. She was also heard on the DashCam stating "I'm in fear of my life.''

Manziel denied hurting Crowley but admitted he grabbed her wrist to keep her from exiting the moving vehicle during their argument, which began on Interstate 90 and spilled over onto the side of the road in Avon, Ohio.

Manziel admitted to having two drinks about four hours before the incident, but police chose not to breathalyze him because he didn't seem intoxicated. Crowley, on the other hand, was significantly impaired.

Police ultimately did not charge Manziel or Crowley with anything and let the couple go home together after determining that Crowley was in no danger of being harmed. They both took to social media to assure the world "we are all good.''

But two weeks later, the NFL brought in its heavy hitter, investigator Lisa Friel, to interview Manziel on Oct. 28th at the Browns facility in Berea. He was represented by NFLPA Heather McPhee, who helped overturn Ray Rice's indefinite ban by the NFL for his domestic incident.

Manziel said Tuesday morning before the was cleared that he was assured after the interview that "it would be wrapped up swiftly and I don't think this is swiftly.''

But he never felt he would be suspended for the incident, as he first revealed following his 31-10 loss to the Bengals on Nov. 5th.He also said it hasn't been hanging over his head.

"I'm just able to continue to push forward,'' he said.

He acknowledged, however, that the ordeal brought more negative attention to the Browns, and he vowed to put an end to that -- beginning with his five days off during the bye this weekend.

"I let (coach Mike Pettine) know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization,'' he said. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

I agree. If we are going to insist he stand back there like a statue, it isn't going to work.

This comment strikes me as odd. They just got torched. The scores were not lucky. Sheesh.

No doubt it is a possibility. If I owned the team I would do such, and so would you. Haslam has about a $billion invested in the team and who knows how much more he fronted on stadium improvements? I'd say that gives him a voice on the direction of the team the rest of the season.


It makes sense. He/we need to know if Manziel can get it done or if he can't. We will be able to see in 6 games. We don't have to win, just like we didn't last week, but it was pretty clear the kid was getting it done on his end. Now we get to see if he can back good games up with other good games.

No conspiracy theory here....totally logical and needed. We know that Josh isn't the future. We need to know if Johnny is the future, even if short term, as in 2-3-4 years.

We have to get this right. I am getting tired of this.

Our backup CB's got beat by an elite quarterback playing great and even that, it was the big play that beat us. I know that it all adds up, but I wasn't high on Manziel's first two games because a huge part of his passing yardage was on 3 plays and I don't believe that young players making mistakes, which result in big plays, is an indicator of their overall play. They held in the run game for the first time this year and forced 3 turnovers. Yes, we got whipped, but it wasn't as bleak as it appears from the box score, I think they're finally getting it together.

LOL...........okay.

i don't get how you give the CB's the "young guys making mistakes" excuse, yet somehow won't give manziel the same benefit of the doubt.

I get it.

Heck, he is already providing an out in case we start winning games. It won't be Johnny, it will be our great defense. LOL....

Johnny has been jerked in and out of his role (with some justification), the running game's terrible, the OL is meh and he has no WRs who would even start for a really good team And his rating is something like 90, he's thrown 5 TDs and 2 picks and shown real spark. If, and it is a big if, he keeps this up over the rest of the season, I don't think we need to draft a QB.
I know that will drive a lot of people who don't have confidence in him crazy. But right now, I don't think I would trade him for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe not even Bortles. I could look like an (even bigger) idiot in two weeks, of course...

Every time the Browns have stepped on the field since 99 has already been a laughable moment.

As for Johnnie Backup starting....*blows kazoo* ??

At this point in the season, it is not just Manziel that the Browns need to figure out.

Add these players to the list.

Gilbert
Erving
Orchard
Gaines
EJ Bibbs
Mingo

It is time to see if the youngsters stand a chance or if Farmers selections are as bad as they appear to be.

I just do not want to see Badimosi ever covering AJ Green and Antonio Brown ever again. That is pure stupidity on the part of Pettine/O'Niell and they need to be held accountable for their decisions as coaches.

Kinda figured this had to be the case, but with our luck .... who knows? Good news though.

NFL will not discipline Johnny Manziel for roadside incident with girlfriend - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...with-girlfriend

As of Tuesday morning, Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was under review by the NFL for a possible violation of the personal conduct policy following a domestic dispute with his girlfriend last month. But the league issued a statement Tuesday afternoon, noting that, "Based on the information gathered, we have concluded that there is an insufficient basis on which to take disciplinary action" against Manziel.

(The Tweet is on the site)

Translation: Johnny Football is free to play.

The news comes at a key time for the quarterback, as coach Mike Pettine has finally named Manziel the starting quarterback. The decision came days after Manziel completed 73 percent of his throws for 372 yards with a touchdown and an interception in a loss to the Steelers. And not only is the 2014 first-round pick going to take advantage of the opportunity, he also promises to stay out of trouble -- something he's struggled to do since arriving in Cleveland.

"I let [Pettine] know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization," Manziel said, via Cleveland.com. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

Pettine questioned Manziel's play as recently as 10 days ago but sounded a different tone on Tuesday.

"He's done some things to affect that trust, clearly," Pettine admitted. "And it's something that we talk about. He understands it and he knows that with these expectations there comes great responsibility. That's something that he knows he has to live up to."

Pettine also acknowledged that Manziel's off-field goings-on have been a concern.

"We're always concerned about our players outside of the building, we talk to them about it," the coach said. "They know that there's a standard of behavior that they have to live up to. He and I got a chance to sit down [Tuesday] morning and that was one of the things, I won't go into details, but that was one of the things that came up in this discussion."

Meanwhile, Manziel insists the team has nothing to worry about.

"...[O]ff the field, I'm not really worried about anything. I'm in a good place, and I'm going to continue to try and, like I said, relax," he said. "That's what a couple of these days are for, not all five. I definitely won't take all five [days off], but two or three days, get a chance to shut it down."

The Browns are on their bye and return to the field against the Ravens on Monday, Nov. 30.

Agreed. Let them all play and learn on the job. I'd really be curious to see how Bibbs would do. He looked outstanding in the pre-season.

I really don't agree w/just handing these guys playing time. Most of them have already seen quite a bit of time. Gilbert was starting last year when he first came to camp. His play is the reason he can't see the field.

I don't think playing Erving is going to help Manziel. The guy stinks. He's very weak. He would only get JM killed.

I would like to see Mingo rush the passer more instead of playing in coverage all the time. He rushed twice last week and he got very close on both attempts.

Not sure if I wanna see Gaines out there again. He got fried a couple of times on simple fly routes.

I heard Bibbs is our worst blocking TE and that is saying something. I guess it would be okay to throw him a pass or two each game, but you gotta be able to block at least a little bit to be given significant time.

Break a leg Johnny.

Playing Erving may not be desired, but I haven't heard yet if Bitonio is ready to return. Of course, he's got some time to heal up.

Gilbert needs to step up. We need what it was he was supposed to be we drafted him to show up. I have my doubts.

I hope what you heard about Bibbs is not true, but who knows.

Mingo is one hell of an athlete but it seems as if they won't let him be himself. Turn the boy loose.

There is a pattern here it seems. Trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Mingo into a cover guy, Manziel into a pocket passer. I'm not sure why you draft a guy that has a unique set of skills like Manziel and try to turn him into something he's shown no prior ability to be. It's confusing.

Got nothing to say on Gaines and Orchard.

Which is why I don't care if they blow it up. If Pet stays then fine, just make sure you replace O'Neil, cause man, this D is a mess.

I agree and have been saying it right along. Play these guys and see what you have. It can't be any worse.

Finally. Good luck JFF.

My notes:

- How does starting him on a team as inept as this team has been lately with coaching as inept as the coaching has been prove anything? Sure we will get to see if he can survive, but with passes being dropped after hitting WRs in the face mask and a turnstile playing LG what will we actually see of his skill set other than trying to survive?

- Anybody thinking JFF won't be on the team next year is delusional. Regardless of how this year pans out, rather coaches are here or gone, Haslam will at the very least want JFF in the mix at QB next year. If he looks like a bust nobody will offer any 'good value' for him anyway. If he looks about average it will be blamed on the supporting cast.

- I honestly think he is and will be our Franchise QB for the next 10 years. The grass is always greener crowd will piss and moan but he is by far the most talented QB we've had for sometime and the kid has a competitive nature built into his DNA.

Only took the coaching staff 10 games,to figure this out...GENIUS!
Another tip...fire the while scouting department,and draft the most likely candidate,suggested in all the mock drafts.
Although Johnny will win some games,and well lise the top pick...but we always waste them on a nobody,who is selling pizzas,while collecting,the balance,of their rookie contract.

Exactly... Someone please explain to me why you draft a guy with obvious talents in one direction and try to turn him into something he's never been?

I think you might be confusing the front office version of "obvious talent" and the fan version.

Johnny is selling jerseys and putting butts in the seats. Square peg, round hole, greenbacks...

Because ... coaches?

didn't he have 2 against Tennessee? So you want to see another one...

GM...that is one of my concerns...durability.

Now we find out if Manziels style allows him to stay healthy for the rest of the season.

No doubt Jman is tough..having his head damned near twisted off by the Bengals...that dude should have been tossed because he never even tried to let go...

....I'm not questioning his toughness, I worried about those injuries that put him out for extended periods of time...his ability to withstand the punishment a qb is subjected to at the Pro level.

yes... of the games remaining..