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Again, I compared his methods to Clinton.. and offered my opinion on the outcome.. if you would like to debate the merits of that point, go for it.. if not, I'm done here.


You have a seriously flawed and exaggerated valuation of how much you "calling me out" means to me.

and perhaps rather than "calling me out" or "checking me" or whatever the saying is these days.. perhaps you could address or refute the point.. that just might impress the hell out of me.

Nah.

People like me don't hate or fear Muslims but I sure am not gonna sit by talking PC when some of them are killing us.

When I can tell the diff between a good and a bad Muslim, I will relax and start shaking hands again.

America wants to be compassionate but we don't want to get killed doing it. America does need to care about it's own first.

Or you could take that history back to 1790 when Jefferson refused to pay anymore tribute (ransom) to those who thought they had a religious right to take American ships and hostages.

How are we to show compassion to a people that will arm their children, strap bombs to anyone they find willing or feeble, and fight to the death over a 1400 year old religious text? You often spout off against religion, maybe you're passions are misaimed.

yes, i definitely speak out against all religions. i've made it known i personally hate every last one, as since recorded history people have used any and all religions to create some of the most disgusting acts in history. I hate islam and christianity the most. i do not hide it, nor do i apologize for it. for me, it's simply a tool created to control the masses and bend the people to those who are in control.

however, people need to understand that we live in America. we don't have scud missles flying over our heads everyday. we don't think about if the cafe we're drinking at will get hit with a suicide bomber.

no, our biggest concern is that douchebag who just cut us off while we're trying to get to work in the morning. 1st world problems.

so yes, i have compassion because these people have seen some of the craziest crap. Erik bro, do you blame these people for trying to leave? there are kids who are no older than 8 years old who have seen more dead bodies and explosions than YOU or hell ME have ever seen. these women are being oppressed and being beheaded and shamed if THEIR husbands commit adultery.

So yes, i absolutely have compassion for them. i understand that it's going to take a long time for these people to get mentally right. it's a different world over there bro. some of these people have been raised since birth through this.

i understand we can't trust everybody. i get it, trust me. i got scars that i wish were never there from those crap ass countries. but man....let's not act like christianity or any other religions don't have some dark history, yet people in the past has still welcome them in.

The Nazi's massacred millions of Jews, but at the end of the day, you would tell a Jew that not all germans are bad people, right?

If I'm hearing you right then any American weapons to terrorists is A-OK with you?

Not just guns and such, but big stuff too. I know Erik thinks it's just bad government and I suppose he has a party to blame for that, but.........

Save lives - no exceptions.

But your gun should keep you safe, right? So why are you worried and how is anything you disagree with PC?

I shouldn't need a gun at all in America but thanks to you Lib/Progressives and your PC ways, we have a Nation where we all need a gun.

The primary threat is internal. When you have elected officials who peddle their influence to both domestic and foreign corporations contrary to the will of the people, you get political chaos.

The bailouts alone should tell you who runs this country. Look at the debt crisis. Why aren't we concentrating on that? What could be more important?

BREAKING NEWS: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports. Twitter

I agree

Fox News

Does Reuters count as "legit" in your book?

http://news.yahoo.com/honduras-detains-five-syrians-heading-u-stolen-greek-195108906.html

That's an absolutely moronic interpretation.

The Truth will set you free...

Fox News topped the cable news rankings once again, bringing in 1.72 million primetime viewers, an increase of 10 percent, and an average of 1.07 million total day viewers. The network came in 4th place among all basic cable channels.

CNN came in next with 535,000 primetime total viewers and 466,000 total day total viewers.

Among the news networks, MSNBC followed in third with total day viewers of 316,000 and 85,000 key demo viewers, down 20 percent and 38 percent, respectively. In a sign of how dire the ratings slump at MSNBC has become, the fledgling Al Jazeera America beat out MSNBC in the 25-54 demographic during the 2 and 3 p.m. daytime hours on March 30. During that timespan, MSNBC brought in 14,000 viewers while AJAM attracted 28,000.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/01/cable-news-ratings-q1-2015-cnn-msnbc_n_6984866.html

Yep, and then the Refugees exterminated them. Good point on your part!

Ok GM was right...Idiots

that's because there is no right group. It's just varying degrees of the same lunacy.


During which part of slaughtering native americans, refusing work for Irish and Asians, importing slaves, working 12 year old kids in coal mines, putting Japanese in internment camps and nuking their country, carpet bombing every man woman and child in Dresden, fire hosing blacks in race riots, and setting up massive operations to spy on our own people were we all that compassionate?


On a human level, I do not believe that is true at all.


Who are "our own people"?

Lib/Progressive rule of conversation...
When proven wrong, attack the speaker personally.
Gold star for you today.

Here's another source for you perfectspiral. I don't even know who or what AFP is, but: http://news.yahoo.com/honduras-arrests-five-syrians-headed-us-stolen-passports-204536480.html

Since neither of these links came from FOX, are they good enough for you?

Best i could find.. It's Agence France-Presse.....a global news company. It's like a global AP.. I have no idea how reliable it is but it seems legit, it must be, it's on the internet.

So, no comment from you or rockdog on the other news agencies reporting the same thing?

You hate fox news.......ok. But when other news agencies report the same thing, you still ignore it?

And I don't want it to every be that way either. That's part of my reasoning for not bringing them here, seeing as the majority of young men of military age, and isis has said that was their plan.



Once again, I don't want that here. You yourself said they don't think like us. I'm saying those thoughts include what we think generally as freedom of choice. Those people live without it, and generally want us to live without it too. If they are coming here to become general 'go to work, go home, eat, have some fun on the weekend' Americans, we can discuss that.



Christianity had it's problems. As I consider myself a heathen, I see those all the time. I will say they are easier to live with than islamic religions. As islam has not grown up yet, I think I'd prefer to stick with the Christians. I don't want a people here that resist integration, as their values do not match ours. That's like building a country within your country, and that can only go bad.

Yes, not all Germans were Nazis. Jews already know that, as most of them considered Germany their homeland. Would you have taken in 10,000 German refugees in 1940 without being able to vet any of them, jewish or not? We already had a Nazi problem here, and those were Americans.

Technically, small pox was wiping them out long before English settlers got here.

In the past 150 years we have just: freed slaves, gave women the right to vote, put Japanese people in camps, gave black people rights, and we've just started to have racially diverse casts in Hollywood. We've been anything but compassionate.

I already know that so STOP STEALING MY THUNDER!

What does this mean? A lot of people watch Game of Thrones, but that doesn't make that real. Trying to tie viewership and verification is a pretty big stretch. Especially when Fox is the only Right winged media channel and has a monopoly on viewership. Don't get me wrong, CNN is only slightly better than Fox. MSNBC is pretty much at the same level of sewer garbage.

It means America has chosen their best source for News and as usual America has chosen wisely.

You can toss in the Daily show as a left wing media viewership. They topped out at 2.5 million viewers per night in 2013. Not sure how it's doing under Trevor Noah, but it should certainly be mentioned as a very popular news source even if comedic.

I remember reading stories about a valiant Church lied to its people and sent them to war in the Middle East. Sometimes the blind lead the blind.

Is cnn left leaning enough for you? They have the same report. Perhaps, instead of poo pooing the facts based on who reported it first, you might be better served to just accept the facts?

I didn't see any political polarizing or blame laid in any of the links I've posted. It's not a "dem" or "repub" thing. But, because fox reported it, it must be rubbish?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/index.html

Has this thread answered your question yet?

Calling just about any of these "news" is a disservice to real news. These stations are just about entertainment. Facts are not nearly as important as ratings. Just slimmed down versions of Jerry Springer.

I'm not sure "Truth" is a good way to describe it.

I guess it was the correct response then.

You're welcome, you terrorist lover.

Thank you for agreeing.

Also for recognizing they were religious fanatic refugees who you've long held up as the foundation for the greatness of this country.

Luckily they had more fire-power. Imagine how successful they'd have been if 90% of the natives owned firearms they claimed were only used for protection.

On the other hand those native weren't terrified of women and children and did offer support.



Putin's going to eat conservatives alive. Your only hope is that he's more "pro-life" than you.

Maybe you can beat him by calling him a politically correct participation trophy winner.

Yes, it has answered the question., The biggest problem is our politicians. So that makes it Internal

Whoa there Pal...I work for a living and don't spend 12hr a day here. Fox news is a cancer IMO, it's just an opinion, get over it.

Now....I'm actually against refugees coming here from Syria right now. As American's I know we wouldn't run from our enemies and leave this country if attacked. We'd fight to the last man. There are millions of refugees and only 20k-30k Isis radicals. They should stay and fight for their own lands, culture, and ideals and not run away and expect the free world to take care of them.

Technically that's BS

In 1633 in Plymouth, Massachusetts, the Native Americans were struck by the virus. As it had done elsewhere, the virus wiped out entire population groups of Native Americans. It reached Mohawks in 1634,[46] the Lake Ontario area in 1636, and the lands of the Iroquois by 1679. During and after Pontiac's War smallpox killed between 400,000-500,000 (possibly up to 1.5 million) Native Americans. At the Siege of Fort Pitt during the war, on June 24, 1763, the British Army attempted to infect the besieging Native Americans with smallpox using blankets that had been exposed to the virus.[47][48][49] It is uncertain whether Amherst's attempt was successful.[50]

During the 1770s, smallpox killed at least 30% of the West Coast Native Americans.[51][52] The smallpox epidemic of 1780–1782 brought devastation and drastic depopulation among the Plains Indians.[53] This epidemic is a classic instance of European immunity and non-European vulnerability. It is probable that the Indians contracted the disease from the ‘Snake Indians’ on the Mississippi. From there it spread eastward and northward to the Saskatchewan River. According to David Thompson’s account, the first to hear of the disease were fur traders from the Hudson’s House on October 15, 1781.[54] A week later, reports were made to William Walker and William Tomison, who were in charge of the Hudson and Cumberland Hudson’s Bay Company posts. By February, the disease spread as far as the Basquia Tribe. Smallpox attacked whole tribes and left few survivors. E. E. Rich described the epidemic by saying that “Families lay unburied in their tents while the few survivors fled, to spread the disease.”[55] After reading Tomison’s journals, Houston and Houston calculated that, of the Indians who traded at the Hudson and Cumberland houses, 95% died of smallpox.[53] Paul Hackett adds to the mortality numbers suggesting that perhaps up to one half to three quarters of the Ojibway situated west of the Grand Portage died from the disease. The Cree also suffered a casualty rate of approximately 75% with similar effects found in the Lowland Cree.[56] By 1785 the Sioux Indians of the great plains had also been affected.[26] Not only did smallpox devastate the Indian population, it did so in an unforgiving way. William Walker described the epidemic stating that “the Indians [are] all Dying by this Distemper … lying Dead about the Barren Ground like a rotten sheep, their Tents left standing & the Wild beast Devouring them.”[54]

A particularly virulent sequence of smallpox outbreaks took place in Boston, Massachusetts. From 1636 to 1698, Boston endured six epidemics. In 1721, the most severe epidemic occurred. The entire population fled the city, bringing the virus to the rest of the Thirteen Colonies.[57][58]

In the late 1770s, during the American Revolutionary War, smallpox returned once more and killed thousands.[59] Peter Kalm in his Travels in North America, described how in that period, the dying Indian villages became overrun with wolves feasting on the corpses and weakened survivors.[60] It has been alleged that smallpox was used also used as a weapon by the British.[61][62]

By 1832, the federal government of the United States established a smallpox vaccination program for Native Americans.[63]