Yeah I guess..until you let in 100"s of thousands of people that have a history of hating our guts..maybe suicide vests can be the number 1 killer of Americans soon instead of those scary assault rifles that are used in a very small percentage of crime..what a joke
I'm going to do my best not to be callous..but I don't really care about the 5yr old orphan from Syria..I would give the shirt off my back to an orphaned 5yr old American..and I have .
comparing orphaned 5yr olds to scary assault rifles is pretty weird to me.
I'm all for continuing the current policy regarding immigration annd refugees, which is already the most stringent on the planet. In terms of a 'hurry-up' for those in dire need, women & children should pose negligible threat. Profile the h out of those who fit the type, and continue a 'go slow' policy where they are concerned.
At this time, I see closing the borders completely to be an abdication of our national policy and mandate. I'm not naive or "pie in the sky," but I also don't want to see this country morph into something less because of this tiny group of asshats.
Rhetorical question for anybody: how much influence does the rest of the world give to these monsters? How much should they be allowed to impact the way we live our lives? I'm all for vigilance and prudence, but this response we've been seeing in the first week following the Paris attacks is overreaction, imho. I suppose it will level out over time, but I HATE seeing how crazy it's making some of my fellow Americans.
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Certainly not talking about morphing into anything. Simply saying step back, take a deep breath, assess, take count of this country and then move ahead.
This whirlwind movement to open the borders to anyone at any cost right now is simply crazy. Prudence is the word. The first duty of this government is to protect the citizens! Simply put!
They aren't all 5 year old orphans!!! Look at some pictures of them!
They aren't all women, they aren't all old men.
Weren't 2 of the Paris terrorists recently killed Women?
Just let the women and children in then they can complain about being separated from their families and then...then.....and only then....do we let the male (perhaps terrorists) in. Yeah, funny!
Certainly not talking about morphing into anything. Simply saying step back, take a deep breath, assess, take count of this country and then move ahead.
This is exactly what we're trying to tell you guys.
Ben carson doesn't have a shot, as according to Fox news, he's not even third in the polls for the republican nomination.
Nobody ever said sharia law isn't in this country. but the level that sharia law is at is more or less the same level of westboro baptist church, who i never see you voice your displeasure over.
nobody ever said a paris like attack can't occur in this country. please show proof of somebody saying that. we're saying the likely hood is a lot lower here in america compared to europe for numerous reasons.
please don't ever complain about me generalizing and exaggerating when you're doing the same damn thing.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Ben Carson is in the running. There were those who said he had 0 chance were wrong, that is what I said.
When I was talking about Sharia in this country early last year, many on this board thought I was crazy, if they even knew what it was. Bet they know now.
As I said, many on this board need to get their heads out of the sand. Why would we increase the risk of an attack by letting unvetted refugees in to this country? There is no possible way to properly vet these people from a non existent country. Makes no sense.
Definition of vet: to evaluate thoroughly or expertly. Can't happen in this case.
Would you and I encourage our children to be promiscuous because the possibilities of something negative happening were slim? I don't think so. Your beautiful daughters and my son are worth more....much, much more. That's not a generalization.
Ben carson doesn't have a shot, as according to Fox news, he's not even third in the polls for the republican nomination.
Nobody ever said sharia law isn't in this country. but the level that sharia law is at is more or less the same level of westboro baptist church, who i never see you voice your displeasure over.
nobody ever said a paris like attack can't occur in this country. please show proof of somebody saying that. we're saying the likely hood is a lot lower here in america compared to europe for numerous reasons.
please don't ever complain about me generalizing and exaggerating when you're doing the same damn thing.
PS, when did you start putting stock in what FOX News reports?
yes, and my beautiful kids are here, but my wife had to go through the immigration process first.
by your logic, ANY person coming through this country is a risk. every last one. including my wife. you can't pick and choose. if these people go through the process, and have no criminal records, then what are you complaining about?
as of right now, my daughters and your son have a better shot of being killed in school shooting from a FELLOW american than any islamic extremist, they have a better chance of being kidnapped by one of these sick ass AMERICAN pedophiles than any islamic attacks.
so sorry if i feel like we have waaayyy bigger problems than letting some refugees come over and avoid being beheaded.
Ben carson being in the running isn't the same as having a good chance. Boby Jindal was also in the running, would you say he had a realistic shot at the candidacy?
Many? some said you was crazy, yes. but not many. i was supporting you, but you're generalizing really bad right now.
oh wait, aint that what you accuse me of doing all the time? don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
these refugee's are gonna go through the process. chill out. take a deep breath.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
but the level that sharia law is at is more or less the same level of westboro baptist church, who i never see you voice your displeasure over.
I can't think of a single fool that has ever agreed with those people....although, I'm sure there are some.
Originally Posted By: Swish
nobody ever said a paris like attack can't occur in this country. please show proof of somebody saying that. we're saying the likely hood is a lot lower here in america compared to europe for numerous reasons.
I'd say that it is 100% just as likely.
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Ben carson doesn't have a shot, as according to Fox news, he's not even third in the polls for the republican nomination.
Nobody ever said sharia law isn't in this country. but the level that sharia law is at is more or less the same level of westboro baptist church, who i never see you voice your displeasure over.
nobody ever said a paris like attack can't occur in this country. please show proof of somebody saying that. we're saying the likely hood is a lot lower here in america compared to europe for numerous reasons.
please don't ever complain about me generalizing and exaggerating when you're doing the same damn thing.
PS, when did you start putting stock in what FOX News reports?
i've posted plenty of links from Fox news in the past supporting some arguments that i sometimes agree with the right wing on.
you just don't pay any attention when i actually try to be objective.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
can it happen? yes, but what i'm saying is that people are acting like this is some sort of common occurrence here in the states. it's not. it won't ever be,
every country has to deal with some sort of terrorism every now and then. please don't take that as me saying "its gonna happen, lets not do anything about it". what i'm saying is you don't know who, and from where.
remember, the boston bomber was american.
and the OKC bomber wasn't muslim or foreign.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
yes, and my beautiful kids are here, but my wife had to go through the immigration process first.
by your logic, ANY person coming through this country is a risk. every last one. including my wife. you can't pick and choose. if these people go through the process, and have no criminal records, then what are you complaining about?
as of right now, my daughters and your son have a better shot of being killed in school shooting from a FELLOW american than any islamic extremist, they have a better chance of being kidnapped by one of these sick ass AMERICAN pedophiles than any islamic attacks.
so sorry if i feel like we have waaayyy bigger problems than letting some refugees come over and avoid being beheaded.
Ben carson being in the running isn't the same as having a good chance. Boby Jindal was also in the running, would you say he had a realistic shot at the candidacy?
Many? some said you was crazy, yes. but not many. i was supporting you, but you're generalizing really bad right now.
oh wait, aint that what you accuse me of doing all the time? don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
these refugee's are gonna go through the process. chill out. take a deep breath.
Explain to me how you will verify they have no criminal record. You going to take their word for it?
i don't know. i don't work at immigration. neither do you.
from what i do know, the VERY small amount of basic knowledge, they can use facial recognition software and run it through terrorist databases, see if anybody matches, as well as other images intelligence agencies has collected.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
can it happen? yes, but what i'm saying is that people are acting like this is some sort of common occurrence here in the states. it's not. it won't ever be,
every country has to deal with some sort of terrorism every now and then. please don't take that as me saying "its gonna happen, lets not do anything about it". what i'm saying is you don't know who, and from where.
remember, the boston bomber was american.
and the OKC bomber wasn't muslim or foreign.
You make good points here. With our own home grown, why invite any more?
i don't know. i don't work at immigration. neither do you.
from what i do know, the VERY small amount of basic knowledge, they can use facial recognition software and run it through terrorist databases, see if anybody matches, as well as other images intelligence agencies has collected.
Yup! That's what concerns me. Tell me this, do you have enough faith in the government to actually properly vet enough to keep our children safe?
so far, none of the paris attackers were refugee's.
but you know who should be considered terrorist, but came here legally and went through the process? Yakuza and the Triads.
but hey, when we're talking immigration, so far, you only seem to concern yourself with those refugee's.
either advocate for the US to shut down it's borders to EVERYONE, or stop spreading ghost stories.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
can it happen? yes, but what i'm saying is that people are acting like this is some sort of common occurrence here in the states. it's not. it won't ever be,
every country has to deal with some sort of terrorism every now and then. please don't take that as me saying "its gonna happen, lets not do anything about it". what i'm saying is you don't know who, and from where.
remember, the boston bomber was american.
and the OKC bomber wasn't muslim or foreign.
What I'm saying is that we're no safer from it than they are. It's not a common occurrence there, either. It can and will happen if the individuals that wish to pull it off are determined and plan well. That's all it takes, and you cannot stop it.
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i trusted the government to check and clear my wife.
i don't pick and choose. sorry.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
nobody here is arguing against your point, though. at least i'm not.
but this notion that "Well, there's a chance, so...." is ridiculous. there's a chance you could get robbed while you go on a run, does that stop you from running?
man we allow ourselves to be scared of everything. and then cry when the government turns into a Nanny state.
looking at you, 40.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
some already are, as once again, the attack wasn't carried about by refugee's, but their own citizens.
good night.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
thats fine. can i get a link so i can get current please?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Nobody ever said sharia law isn't in this country. but the level that sharia law is at is more or less the same level of westboro baptist church, who i never see you voice your displeasure over.
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I will say this: westboro baptist church is a joke. I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Like I said, I know you didn't direct this to me - but trust me, I, for one, have come out against wbc anytime the discussion comes up.
A second suicide bomber at the Stade de France has been "formally identified" as having registered his fingerprints in Greece on October 3, the Paris prosecutor has confirmed. That means that two of the three who blew themselves outside the football stadium last Friday apparently masqueraded as refugees, Henry Samuel reports. A second, who was found with a Syrian passport by his side, also registered his fingerprints in Greece on October 3. They were controlled at the same time.
masqueraded as refugee's isn't the same as actually being one.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
masqueraded as refugee's isn't the same as actually being one.
Not sure what you're getting at. The concern is that there are terrorists among the refugees. Does it really matter if they're just pretending to be refugees if they get through?
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I'm in Washington DC and hundreds of Muslims are marching around against ISIS. They are saying it is long overdue and they plan to raise it to thousands and then millions!
They are saying things like ISIS must no longer frighten us and we will not allow them to take away our FREEDOMS!
I wish we could have a POTUS who would understand, given the attacks in Paris, given the videos surfacing of bomb vest and images of US cities and bluntly voiced threats too... given arrests made in Turkey with most likely clear cut ties to ISIS. Belgium is basically shut down from my understanding.
Given all this and more... I wish we had a President that would take this threat seriously. It's sad that a group force of a body including Democrats and Republicans came up with veto-proof, understanding and agreement on this since this POTUS has failed to do so and has put American lives at risk.
I'm sorry Obama fans, but you better turn your head, close your eyes, whatever and not read the following comments:
THIS POTUS OF OURS IS A F'N JOKE. A FLAT OUT JOKE, PATHETIC, SHAMEFUL AND IT'S LIKE HE WANTS THE UNITED STATES TO BLEED! HE'S CRUSHED THE VERY VALUES OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR. HE'S A TOTAL, 100% AND COMPLETE EXAMPLE OF A USELESS POS. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO TOP JIMMY CARTER BEING THE WORST, BUT HE'S SURPASSED THAT ON A LEVEL UNIMAGINABLE.
I'm in Washington DC and hundreds of Muslims are marching around against ISIS. They are saying it is long overdue and they plan to raise it to thousands and then millions!
They are saying things like ISIS must no longer frighten us and we will not allow them to take away our FREEDOMS!
Good Night.
About damn time. I've said for a long time, I don't care who comes here, as long as they come here to be Americans. That means blending into our culture, not us blending into theirs.
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