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One other thing Mr. Swish I agree 100% about how much money we spend that is wasted and fruitless.

If people had any idea how much money was taken just from Iraq I'm not sure they would believe it.

There are much more effective ways of dealing with it..Much cheaper also.

no bro, i was agreeing with you.

that was more a less a general reply to the board.

i've said this over and over on here, and i wish people on this board as well as our politicians would realize this:

you can not fight ideology with military and expect to win. you fight ideology with ideology.

we spend billions, europeans and russia spend millions fighting ISIS.

the paris attackers spent 7500 dollars. who's been more effective?

they're spending two months worth of paychecks and they are winning this war, while we spend a crazy percentage of our GDP and we're losing.

The French PM saying we're gonna take these refugee's in regardless, because terrorist aren't going to change our values?

people don't understand how much more that helps us win this war, compared to bombing them. this is an ideology war, people. this is our values against theirs.

I'm not saying we should just let them attack us without any consequence, but what i'm saying is we have to be the better people.

here's the best, pretty much perfect example: the civil rights movement.

no matter what white people did to blacks, MLK preached peace. don't hit them back, don't retaliate. no matter what, show them that we can be just as valuable to american society. show them that we love them no matter what. that at the end of the day, we forgive them.

and guess what? jim crow and all the crumbled, because never mind what americans thought, the world saw who were the real animals at that time.

We have to do the same thing today. America needs to be leading in this. Muslims integrate into our society sooooo much better than european society. We lead the world in diversity. SUCCESSFUL diversity. we treat everybody like americans. in France, they are treated like second rate citizens. in most of europe its like that.

Stop tucking our tails inbetween our legs, and show the world and muslims why we are the best country in the world, and we don't have to do that by flexing military might every time something bad happens.

i just want to show why we lead the world in this.

regardless of what happened back in the day, blacks have integrated into US society better than in europe.

We helped the Jews get their country back after being slaughtered by the Germans.

we helped countless times in Africa, including Somalia.

We've helped countless countries when natural disasters strike, regardless of political ideology and geographical location.

Those are our values as Americans. We help people. we take them in. Don't let these guys take that away from us.

You know I think your a decent dude that cares..While Ive read alot of your posts I don't remember your age..I'm guessing your still young 30ish would be my guess.

I lived in the times your referencing what i guess I'm saying is for every black person who has stood up aginst injustices I can assure you there was a lot of white people that paid the price for trying to help them also.

Actually your posts are insightful and it's what got me posting here..part of the reason anyway. And sometimes from some of the stuff youve written maybe you havent seen it but there have been white people die for helping further a black persons life.

When you hit my age youll see things alot differently I promise you that.

I'm sorry this is off topic and didnt have much to do about the thread.

i understand that whites helped and died.

i also completely understand that if whites didn't change the government and ban these, then it wouldn't had matter.

we absolutely need you guys to make that difference.

i guess what i'm saying is that...at the time, there SEEMED to be a huge difference between white southerners and white northerners.

And i'm 28.

Not really. I think we need to try a long term game plan in the middle east to turn them into allies. Good move gestures like this help build foundations for long standing allies.

ok I knew you would understand. what I was trying to say through the babbling is what you just said gets lost in your posting style sometimes..

Like I said before in real life you and I probably wouldve made great friends..I came across like an ass to you when I first posted..

the thing that has really bothered me is i took at shot at you about the PTSD thing.

Man if some of my fellow Marine buddies would've read that it would've lead to a fist fight.

I have helped a few of my buddies that deal with it..stayed in my home for an extended time..and I understand a problem few people outside of the military understand.

I hope you don't hold that against me it is NOT who I am or what I believe in doing.

Trust me you'll find other faults with me..taking shots about PTSD is not one of them..I do offer my sincerest apology for it I was wrong.
FBHO71

Good Post.

it's all good bro. i don't hold grudges. we're straight on that.

I have to ask Swish........

I just wonder how many of the thousands of Turkish soccer fans who booed during the moment of silence for the victims in Paris and shouted Allahu Akbar would pass the refugee vetting process?

A lot of them. And that's a damn shame.

Trust that it was only some, not most. And that's a real embarrassment going on in turkey right now. Not proud of turkey at all.

So lets be stupid and invite them into our neighborhoods!

Soccer hooligans!?

Your smarter then that ..come on man.

You do know that a lot of English teams and fans were banned from international games during the 80s and 90s?

We're they granted visas when traveling as ordinary citizens?

Well that's kind of my point Swish. I'm not trying to claim that all Turks share that sentiment. What I am saying is that I'm pretty sure that many of those shouting Allahu Akbar and booing would be able to pass refugee screening. I would be willing to bet there are a lot of ISIS sympathizers that we are unaware of. I'm sure much of the Turkish community would never have expected such a reaction.

That's why so many of us air on the side of caution.

They started restricting their visas after they started riots outside the stadiums.

I understand. But I went through his thread and tried to find where I was against you guys wanting to exercise caution.

Couldn't find anything.

However, what I did find was me against you guys somehow saying the refugees are the same as Isis or the people that support them.

There are nazi sympathizers who deny or say the holocaust was a good thing.

They also have no problem getting into the country.

Should we ban all Germans? No, but exercise caution.

Are those Nazi sympathizers trying to blow us up? Do they have a history of doing so? Honest question.

George Bush said a lot of silly things.. but one of the smartest things he said was, "We have to be right every single time, they only have to be right once."

And I think that is the basis for the fear you see in most people... where is your threshold for risk? If we let in 10,000 Syrians and I could guarantee you that 9,995 of them are old ladies, small kids, christian ministers, and paraplegics... but that other 5, we're not sure about them... is that good enough for people? I mean that's .o5% of them, and there is still risk.

Are the Isis sympathizers blowing people up?

He answer to both those questions is no.

Not just that. But the refugees are coming from the same pool of people the terrorists are in..so I would say the percentage would be better then .05

I'm to lazy at the moment to look it up, I have real world things to do but I think there has been isis sympathizers blow people up..or maybe it was shoot people up?? either way I'd rather not have them here

And I understand bro. We see all it takes is 5-10 guys to make something happen.

But man.... I can't deny those 9995. We have to be better than that.

I think you have a good heart man..but on this topic no freaking way should we bring them here

Well there's been nazi sympathizers who have lynched blacks.

I'm still not gonna deny he good people though. You can't possibly know most people's intentions until it happens.

I could snap right now and go shoot up my college. Would you guys advocate keeping Guns away from vets?

Man you know the answer for me about keeping guns from vets..no way.

Can you show me where in say the last 10yrs s nazi hung a black in the US?

Let me ask you something..when you was young and you saw an opposing gang member or an affiliate..did you hang around to see what there intentions was?

and i'm not saying all syrians are gang members..

There hasn't been. But the historical point still stands.

Just because Islam happens to be the flavor of the century as far as bad guys goes doesn't mean we should keep making the same mistakes.

I don't. However, people shouldn't punish the dude trying to get a job just because he's from the inner city.

A guy trying to make it, should he be punished just because he's from inner city Chicago?

No he shouldnt be punished on that criteria..I've mentored some young men from the inner city on how to interview.

How to speak, what clothes to wear, proper resume ect..you get the idea.

What absolutely dumbfounded me was the sheer inability of the people to grasp the basic reasons for playing the game with getting your foot in the door.

It was frustrating as hell..but best friend is like look FBHO71 someone taught you this stuff and no one has showed them.

Ive since developed a little more patience for the ignorance.

I agree. I've done some mentoring of good kids, just kids that don't know how this game works... and they fight me at every turn.. why do i have to wear that? Who cares if I say "ain't" all the time? So there are spelling mistakes in my resume, so what?

If i had hair, I'd be pulling it out.. DUDE, IT MATTERS!!!!!!

I will say this, it is rewarding when you finally start to see them get it.. I always tell them, you aren't going on an interview, it's a sales call. What am I selling? You, and if the product looks sloppy or defective, who is going to buy it?

Thats the problem no one is going to buy it..but the excuses flow like water and it is never directed in the direction it should be with said excuse maker.

Yes it is rewarding..I have a young little prodigy right now that makes me grin from ear to ear just thinking about him.

And many times, the hardest cases are the ones with the most potential. They are sharp enough to argue with you all day long... without ever realizing that their initial premise is flawed.



But when that light finally does come on, THOSE are the ones who can take the world by storm. And then, our grins come freely and often.

I love what I do. It's truly the great equalizer. When you can sit down, rub a horse's ass over sheep intestines strung to a hollow box and make people cry.... nobody cares where you came from. I tell my 'underprivileged' kids this all the time. I also tell them that Our World doesn't suffer pretenders and poseurs gladly- and they'll chew you up if you don't bring game 24/7.

Devonte is at BG finishing his undergrad in performance this year. Armond is at tOSU in his third year as a composition/history/theory major.

These young men had the deck stacked against them when they were 12 years old. Our school turned out some impressive kids who are now poised to change the way America sees inner-city youth. IMHO, they are the best advertisements available for what can be done... with perseverance, strict standards- and a belief in the potential of even the most hard-luck of cases.

Ya gotta mine through a lot of coal to find the diamonds... but the effort is always worth it.

I have no problems with accepting refugees from countries that don't celebrate the deaths of Americans.Syrians are the ones who decided to hate the USA so it's my opinion they can find some other place to live besides the USA they hate so much that they hold rallies in the streets to celebrate 9-11.

It's not radical to wish to keep people from a terrorist state that hates the USA to immigrate here.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/does-france-have-enough-bombs-smash-isis-14370

sorry for the new topic couldn't find the one where you said you didn't believe me about a shortage of bombs..

And like I told you I wasn't trying to spread bad info..even the article is kind of guessing at their stockpile.

And I was trying to go off of memory which isnt very good for me lately:)

Please please tell me this is satire.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...orshippers.html

Wish it was.

There are more folks like this out there than you'd ever believe. Saddest part is.... they have followers.

Those poor people don't have a chance.

I find this very interesting. The Preacher man knows the crowds were Devil worshipers and God punished them. Perhaps he feels God told him this.

You on the other hand know they were not Devil worshipers and God had nothing to do with any of this. Perhaps you feel God told you this.

The Preacher man judges the band and audience as lost and wrong while you judge the Preacher man and his followers as lost and wrong.

Do you think that God could not become angry with the Western Nations for their arrogance and conceit? Do you think it is beyond His abilities or His Will? Could God, in your mind, not decide to give the West over to the East as a punishment? Is it not possible for God to take a small group of scumbags and allow them to make fools of the great Western Nations?

We don't like what the Preacher man is saying but do we absolutely know what he says is not happening in the Realm of God? Are we all knowing?

For your consideration.

The only thing promised in the Bible is that God will not allow Israel to fall and I believe that.


Us in the westernnations on the other hand, we're not so lucky.