DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Alec Scheiner, gaining power and influence over football operations..

Mangini lol

See: Butch Davis, Eric Mangini

U know damn well it was a quick reply to the person right above me. now you can have your little temper tantrum of how I have treated u so unfairly. Grow up.

doesn't seem like it matters.. if you have one football guy, he still has to be the right guy... and if you have 2 or 3 football guys, they all need to be on the same page and whichever one has final authority, has to know that and everybody has to be comfortable with it..

Right now it seems like we have a couple football guys, a couple wanna-be football guys, and 4 different plans for how this is supposed to work... and absolute confusion over who has the authority.

"There are only 32 of these jobs in the world. I will pay you lots of money."

Also, what is the top coaching talent? I don't even know what that means.

Haslam should offer Belichick 20% ownership to come here.

Yeah, I know, not even remotely feasible, but it'd get the top talent if it was possible.

A former NFL head coach with successful experience, one of the 3 or 4 top coordinators that come available every year, or one of the big time college program coaches with a track record of success of which there are probably 4 or 5.

what it does not mean is a coordinator that most of us had never heard of until we found out we were interviewing him.

I agree that many of these coaches can be good options. I just don't think we should limit ourselves to the names that we are supposed to consider.

I like the idea of hiring a college coach who hasn't got the big job yet. Why wait for a guy to get hired by a big time school and then hope to lure him away?

Why can't we hire Tom Herman and not USC (or Texas or Miami or whoever)?

We can do whatever and I have no say in it at all. There is no guarantee that a coach from the list I gave is going to be successful.. If there was, Holmgren or Butch or somebody would have already been successful.

Hell look at the Steelers, they hired Tomlin when most people had never heard of him... obvious difference being that they brought him into a good team with a very stable FO and rock solid structure in place.. so maybe there is some other stuff we need to get figured out before we hire and fire yet another coach.

To me, there is a degree of luck involved. A lot of the people we have had as coaches and evaluators, on paper looked like good solid hires.

People in general had a good feeling when people like Romeo, Butch Davis, Phil Savage, Mike Holmgren were brought in to fix the team. On paper, they all looked like good hires. And no, I don't think ownership, no matter which one, had anything to do with their failures.

Right there is the real answer moving forward. I believe starting with the FO structure of the Football Operations.

I agree with what you said which was basically, get something right before we continue the pattern of blaming/firing coach after coach.

Bringing in another unproven HC is just more of the same nonsense. The roster will change. We will talk about continuity again. And we will continue to suck.

Farmer has to go because he has just made too many terrible decisions. Firing a GM does not affect continuity like the firing of the coaching staff. Ain't close.

Keep Pet unless we can land a giant, like Saban. And really, maybe only Saban. He would need full control. That will upset people. I don't care. I also know that I don't want someone like Cowher or Gruden or Parcells to come in here w/a lot of power. They have been away too long and almost certainly--softened.

I really don't want that to happen and yet, firing Pettine makes that self fulfilling.

Nobody's going to hire in here under Farmer unless they're desperate for chance to be a HC. That texting crap is just the tip of the iceburg part of meddling that he got caught at.

Keeping Farmer, firing Pet, and bringing in another unproven HC is the dumbest thing we could possibly do.

That's why I think that is exactly what will happen. I mean----it's kinda funny, but you know that there is probably a lot of truth to it. Not sure to laugh or cry---or both.

To fire Farmer and bring back Lombardi. Now that just won't happen...I trust.

Even dumber than bringing back Lombardi. . . bringing back Holmgren.

Is this the Smack Shack?

That post fits within the general context of the thread, admittedly on the humorous side.

Can disagree with anything you just wrote, As for the owners, people will beat on Lerner but the truth is, he kept hiring people that, as you say on paper should have been good hires. He tried to find the right fit and paid them dearly.

yea. and thats why if... and i do mean if.. anyone go it will be pettine. said it after textgate Alec Scheiner and farmer are close and they both talk to Haslam alot more than pettine.

For the record, I meant to say that I CAN'T disagree....LOL
Geez

Welllll, that is different. Thought you were bonkers for a second, but you got all better.

Got enough crazies to go around this season.

Post Like a Brown!

LOL I knew what I meant, I just didn't type it right

Hmmm a article written by somebody who writes articles about the Browns, AND Steelers, and who grew up in Pennsylvania, and she is wrong about her info. I wonder if she is related to Roger Brown

I hope she is wrong because if the Browns keep Farmer and fire Pettine............I'm done!

Which info is wrong?

i was wondering the same thing.

This

[There has been a longstanding belief that Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine has an aversion to starting quarterback Johnny Manziel over Josh McCown. And, for a time, this made sense—McCown has, when healthy, been outperforming expectations, throwing 11 touchdown passes to just four interceptions, completing 65 percent of his passes and boasting a quarterback rating of 95.2.

But that aversion doesn't seem to be about just McCown's performance versus Manziel's readiness to lead Cleveland's offense.

A source inside of the Browns' organization spoke to Scout.com's Lane Adkins earlier this month and revealed that "Pettine never wanted Manziel from day one," and that "Pettine plays who he wants...[and] has made some playing decisions to spite [general manager Ray] Farmer," including "the refusal to play Manziel," despite Farmer—and team owner Jimmy Haslam—putting on the pressure.]

Oh hell I don't want to copy and paste 80 percent of the article. Pet is not starting Johnny because of any pressure from Farmer, or Jimmy. He is starting him because he, Flip, and Kevin think Johnny is finally getting it. They know he is still learning, he still needs work, but they think he has improved enough to be able to give us a chance to win while continuing to learn and improve. None of the totally fictional made up crap about any coach not liking a player, or keeping somebody on the bench just to spite anybody else has any basis in reality. Just like Jimmy or Ray putting pressure on Pet to play Johnny has any more truth to it than a fairy tale.

I think it's likely embellished, but there is some truth to it as well.

Take Gilbert for example ...I believe that Pettine isn't starting Gilbert because Gilbert has not done what he needed to do to get on the field. I also believe that Pettine has somewhat cast Gilbert aside and instead of developing him ...i.e. helping him get on the field ...he just lets him toil in mediocrity. Pettine is a very inexperienced head coach who really has no idea what he's doing. He talks installs and scheme and acts like his job is to be robotic. His job is to think and learn and adapt and develop. This isn't a "push the button" job and everything magically happens the way you want it to. After listening to his assistants pressers, his coaches take on his personality. Who is unlocking Gilbert's potential? Who is making him a better player?

Now does that mean Pettine isn't playing Gilbert to spite Farmer? Of course not, but because Pettine has cast Gilbert aside that's the way it appears to those inside and outside the organization and you end up with speculative quotes like in the article.

The truth is Pettine is in over his head. Of all the people that needed the bye week to reflect, Pettine needed it the most.

Pet and Flip developed the plan to redshirt Manziel. Johnny outplaying McCown in practice. McCown is our starter. Johnny outperforms at the scrimmage. McCown is our starter. Preseason same story. McCown is our starter. titans game Johnny lights it up. McCown is our starter. Johnny does not start without the injuries to McCown, end of story.

Now Johnny has made tremendous strides but I still believe they dont make the move without some pressure from Haslam to do so. If we werent set to be drafted top 2 or 3, then we would probably still see McCown but because you are in position to probably take the top QB in the draft, then there is a sense of urgency to find out what you have.

You are a 1 win team with McCown, at this point he isnt gonna save anyone's job. You help the team going forward by playing Johnny and if you can get a couple of wins with him, you have a chance to save your job.

Again, I dont think it was ever about Pet not liking Johnny but about their strategy to Aaron Rogers him going forward. Now I do feel it is made easier for everyone as Johnny is outperforming the low expectations everyone had for him, except for the few diehard holdouts like me lol.

Did haslam step in and become the tie breaker? Most likely. Was Pet not playing Johnny just Pet being Petty? No It may be with Gilbert, but its not with Johnny.

I kind of got a kick out of reading this. I can remember a time since 1999 that many on here complained about the browns playing/keeping the guys they drafted no matter how badly they played.

Well for better or worse we now have a regime in place that doesn't care about that at all. all they seem to care about is "can he play". They'll cut or bench those that don't meet expectations, thing West, Manziel, Gilbert, Mayle. These guys weren't read for prime time and they either got benched, traded or cut.

And that's just the last two years.

Hey I told everybody what the plan was last year, I told everybody what the plan was this year. I have told everybody the truth about the front office. For those who want to know or who have listen, I let them know. For those who don't want to hear it, or don't believe it, well I'm shaking the dust off my feet as I walk away

i just dont remember you telling us the plan was to let talent walk, bring a bunch of over the hill players, blow high round draft picks, and make it so we cannot win any games.

guess the plan was to get everyone fired after 2 years?