DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Johnny Manziel will start for the rest of the season.

When a person tells you one thing and does another, they can't be trusted.

JF couldn't even survive the bye week before giving the staff a reason(s) to regret their decision of making him the starter for the season remainder.

Got to be more going on behind the scenes, and likely very much is. What I don't understand is why not just cut him today? Benched before he really even started, demoted to third string so why not just cut ties all together and move on all together?

And people, please stop comparing him to Gronk. Their positions alone are reason that the comparisons are just silly. Your the QB, you have way more responsibility than any other position on the team.

I'd ask for a trade or to be cut. How can a grown man not do what he want to do? As long as he hasn't broken any laws, we good. He playing!!

Fire PETTINE!!!!

If I am reading this correctly, it seems the FO already knows the answer to that, and it may not involve JM on the team next season. There has got to be something going on behind the scene that we are not privy to...

Hasn't he been saying one thing and doing another for two years now? At least to the Browns, I have no idea what he was doing before this. I wanted to see the kid play and wanted to believe he meant what he said about putting his football career first. Too bad he's full of more BS than desire.

I can only speculate that the Browns organization gave Manziel explicit instructions that there were to be no videos or police bulletins during the bye week.

We will hear the story, or spin in the next day or two.

What makes you think this front office knows anything? Our defense is last in the league, our run game sucks and we are 2-8. They know what their doing I can tell.

well you just saw one get in trouble about it today. went from starter to third..... at the end of the year it will come out he still late/missing meetings, all the same crap as last year...

That doesn't equal this...



Johnny goes to rehab

Johnny says rehab was great, I'm a changed man.

November 17th Johnny Manziel named starter

Nov 17th Johnny drinking again, won't face discipline

Nov 17th Johnny promises coach that he'll behave



Nov 20 and 21 Johnny swigging champaign at Austin nightclub.

[video]http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_5ub2tg9w[/video]

Sorry I can't figure out how to post the TMZ video, but the link should work.

Pettine also said he wouldn't micro manage Johnny's personal life, obviously he can't be trusted.

Agreed.

Got Greg Hardy out here beating women, and pushing coaches on the sideline, and hasn't missed a snap.

Got Manziel drinking LEGALLY, yet he gets demoted to 3rd string.

We do some dumb stuff.. Naw.. not we. THEY!!!! Retarded organization.

In my opinion, the difference between JFF and Gronk is that JFF checked himself into rehab, Gronk has not. Johnny opened that door, so he brought on the added level of scrutiny and repercussion. Therefor, comparing Manziel's party habits with Gronk's is apples and oranges.

All I really care about is if Manziel can play football or not. IMO he has shown with his improvement on the field that he has earned the chance to show if he can lead this team or not. Lot's of players in this league and good ones too party their asses off when they are on break. If he can juggle his personal life and football career FINE! If he doen't and blows up fine too! Cut him at the end of the season, he's not going to stop hanging out with his friends.

FYI ..

Gronk doesn't drink. Don't think he ever has.

j/c

If anyone knows John's history, it may make a little sense.

He's from a wealthy family. He is/was a good athlete.

Financially, he had everything handed to him. He was spoiled.

Athletically, he had the ability in h.s. and college to do what he'd always done: exactly what he wanted, when he wanted. How he wanted.

There was an article a couple years back, either in SI, or ESPN the mag about him, his parents, money, golfing with his dad when his dad said he's actually scared of John at times, drinking after the Heisman award ceremony........basically, John did what he wanted, when he wanted. His families money allowed him to do that off the field.

His athletic ability allowed him to do that on the field.

Now, I'm not saying he's an addict - but addicts are prone to saying the right things at the right time to take some heat off them.

He's a victim of himself, a victim of the family money, a victim of being allowed to do what he wants when he wants, and how he wants.

He's been kowtowed to since birth pretty much. He's been allowed to do as he pleases, with only relatively minor repercussions since he was young. He's gotten a "Screw it" attitude. "I'm Johnny, I'll do as I please, and no one will stop me."

Just my opinion.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/6/1/...e-very-gronkily

"My drink is usually vodka with water because it gets you hydrated and drunk at the same time," he explains after the sommelier has departed. "I never drink wine. There’s only one wine I like, but I forget what it’s called. It tastes like Sprite."

Too bad Banner isn't still here, he could probably get us Dallas's 1st and 2nd for Johnny f-up Manziel.

Oh, really?!?

WATCH: Fan gives Rob Gronkowski Fireball Whisky, Gronk chugs it

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...-gronk-chugs-it

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Rob Gronkowski reveals his favorite drink, which 'gets you hydrated and drunk at the same time'

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/rob-gron...t-the-same-time

One thing is for sure. Farmer better not be the person that picks the next first round QB for the Cleveland Browns!

Oh no, we agree on something.

Mmmm guess I heard wrong. I could have sworn I heard him say that in a interview earlier this year.

Still not the same IMO. Something stinks in Berea.

He doesn't drink??

I hope they blow it up. Get rid of these fools in charge.

I just wonder if the guy with the qb graveyard in his front yard has already made his Manziel tombstone?

Watching the video.. Johnny slams the Champagne against his body.. not his mouth..

And.. I stopped the Video at 18 secs... The kid in the red, his bottle is still corked...

Good...the circus MAY FINALLY be over. Moving on...

My mistake. The Browns leadership sucks. Blow it up.

Again, people don't spend thousands of dollars at a club to not drink alcohol.

I seriously doubt he couldn't do it. To me, he WOULDN'T do it. Basically, he put up BOTH his middle fingers to the organization and did what he WANTED to do. Goodbye and good riddance you clown.

It was probably Gatorade and it was probably his grandmother's birthday party.

Did I miss an article were it was proven JM spent thousands of dollars ?

And from the video , where does it show johnny drinking ?

If I was Pettine... I would want hard cold facts.. not assumptions from a video that shows nothing more than Johnny smiling and dancing.

I'm with you as long as Manziel is out the door with them. This clown is nothing but a media nightmare for the Browns. Period.

overheard some conversations... Pet is a dead coach walking.

Gone at the end of the year.

Farmer is not completely gone... yet

sounds about right to me.....

Any links or info to the conversations you heard? You know, like, who'd you year it from?

Or is it just your best speculation?

links? I heard the conversation. there is nothing I can post or share in verbal communication

some of you know where I work...

Silver Dom ain't cheap.

per TMZ witnesses said he was boozing it up.

The way I see it, Manziel has probably been sliding into bad habits over the past couple of months, and that's why he did not get a shot at starting earlier. Pettine probably would have pulled his hair out, if he had any, when the police incident happened, but since it was obvious that Manziel did nothing except have a couple of drinks, he let things slide.

However, Manziel is back to hanging out with the girl he was with when he got into his drinking problems. He has started drinking, and it appears, drinking to excess. How far behind are the rest of the bad habits that led to his problems last year? Do you take the chance? One thing that really struck me was when Manziel's High School (IIRC) coach, a guy he loves, said that he was very concerned that Manziel is drinking again. However, it was "just" 2 drinks, so I was inclined to let that slide. The crazy ex-girlfriend/girlfriend again was of far more concern to me.

Anyway, it is evident that partying is more important to Manziel than being the starting QB for the Cleveland Browns. Is that the kind of guy you tie the future of a franchise to? I don't.

A guy without Manziel's history goes out and has a few, and acts the fool, so what? But a guy with Manziel's past .... well, that sure looks like it's heading towards trouble.

I hope the kid gets his life straightened out, because he sure seems to be heading for trouble.