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If this was the case wouldn't lay all to rest if they just outright said so?

Only the Three for now . . . .

Just make it stop. Enough. Stoopid. Let this sit.

Best post of this whole mess - excellent job. I agree with this wholeheartedly.

HIPPA laws prevent teams from talking about the existence, treatment, or resolution of drug and alcohol problems of their employees.

I am not sure they can mention if he was coaxed into rehab or if there was an agreement not to drink, or at least not drink in public.

Ok, I have a question... was it ever confirmed that Manziel was an actual alcoholic? If that's the case then no drinking is the treatment... but I was under the impression that his rehab was more general, drinking being a part of it but just general poor choices, poor decision making in general.

the only articles I remember that focused on him being in rehab strictly for alcohol were speculative...

How Johnny Manziel raised his hand and volunteered to go to rehab

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By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com
on February 02, 2015 at 10:03 PM, updated February 03, 2015 at 3:51 PM


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel finally raised his hand last week and admitted to his family and to the Browns that he needed help, that it was time to go to inpatient rehab for his possible dependence on alcohol.

On Tuesday, he flew out of Cleveland and informed those close to him of his intentions. On Wednesday, Manziel checked himself into an undisclosed facility somewhere within a several hours' drive of Cleveland, a place that the Browns knew about and felt comfortable with.

According to multiple sources, those close to Manziel were proud of him for taking such a big and difficult step. Not many 22-year-olds volunteer for inpatient rehab, but Manziel was ready, which is why his friends and family members are optimistic that he'll take it seriously and do the work needed to get well.

Experts in the field say that rehab might not stick, especially for young adults, if they're not willing to go on their own.

Manziel's close and friend and quarterback guru George Whitfield, the Massillon native who's worked closely with Manziel for the past three years, expressed in a tweet that it was the right move, and he knows Manziel's situation as well as anyone.

"Best possible thing for Johnny Manziel. Take your time ... Praying for you, cousin,'' Whitfield tweeted.

never said why. but i got a pretty good idea why.

I think they did. See Pettine's original comments on the matter.

Remember This About Johnny Manziel: His Dad Bought Him a New Car For Staying Away From Alcohol in High School

Johnny Manziel has been the biggest story in sports this summer, eclipsed only by alleged murderer Aaron Hernandez, formerly of the New England Patriots. We’ve probably written, on average, a post or two a week about the rising redshirt sophomore who won the Heisman last season. Reminder: Manziel is 20 years old. It’s hard to imagine anyone upstaging Nick Saban at SEC media days, but Manziel was by far the biggest deal in Birmingham.

Today, ESPN’s Wright Thompson dropped a lengthy, informative story on Johnny Manziel, furthering the discussion on one of the most fascinating athletes in college football over the last 25 years. How many Heisman trophy winners saw an alcohol counselor during the season, and then a therapist after it? Personal assistants, bodyguards … sports fans haven’t seen anything like this on the college level. And that’s without delving into the dicey topic of the school profiting handsomely off Manziel – valued at $37 million last season – and the star and his family being none-too-happy about what he’s getting in return.

As spellbinding as Manziel’s story is, one thing few people have mentioned is that he’s really the same mouthy rich kid he was in high school. In a podcast with Jerome Solomon of the Houston Chronicle, Manziel’s high school past came up, and his partying was mentioned. The New York Times actually wrote about it last November, but everyone either forgot or missed the story during Thanksgiving week:

His father made him a deal: he would buy Manziel a new car if he stayed away from alcohol during his junior and senior years in high school. One summer night, Manziel went to Wal-Mart to buy a phone charger, the security guard smelled alcohol and the police were called.

Manziel denied he had been drinking but was taken to jail. The next day, his father picked him up, sold the car and replaced it with a busted pickup truck that would repeatedly break down on the way to school. He refused to pay the fine for his son, and when the judge sentenced Manziel to 10 hours of community service, John Paul said: Make it 20.

What’s the point of re-hashing this? Not to say Manziel is a boozehound (another discussion for another day), but rather to point something out – he’s been a party animal for years. And he’s always rebounded on the field to do incredible things that shock and awe. Manziel was responsible for 77 touchdowns (not a misprint) as a senior. Forty-five passing, 30 running, one receiving, and one on a kickoff return. A few months after his arrest in 2012, he stunned #1 Alabama on the road.

Man, I really hope Manziel beats the Tide again on September 14th.

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Link to ESPN story referenced.

Link to the NYTimes story referenced.

If only it was about him getting drunk.

That ESPN story is pretty sad.

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Lets face it dawgs this isn't about JF or any other player, its about the most incompetent ownership in the NFL. It may be considered the worst ever, the question I have for any one here is are there any clauses that are put in the rules of ownership that they can be forced to sell the franchise if they feel that the NFL brand is being tarnished or something like that, as what the NBA did to the owner of the Clippers.

Its about Petty using this as an excuse to put McCown back in.

Pettine called the move to demote Manziel “a coaching decision” he said general manager Ray Farmer and owner Jimmy Haslam had spoken to Manziel before the bye week about his off-field behavior.

Exactly, he showed enough that Jerry Jones will give us something for him. Doesn't hurt to keep him.

Probably. But it seems like Haslam and Farmer signed off on the move.

If you have a job opportunity and you know it is a precarious opportunity and anything you do that is perceived as negative will screw it up, would you do the exact thing that pisses people off?

Everyone is to blame for the situation.

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/669565635408609280

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https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/669566231658283008

Rams' Stedman Bailey in stable condition after shooting

This happened and Manziel is the top story.

Boom. Done deal.



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/669566557471776769



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/669566328072708097

Manziel is an idiot and a liar. He knew he wasn't supposed to do anything like he did and did it anyway.

Pettine is an idiot for imposing weird restrictions.

They should just take Johnny out back and shoot him, obviously he is a danger to mankind. What was he thinking, he should know white guys cant dance and to do it with a bottle in his hand was gross negligence. He could have put an eye out with that cork. I am sure glad the Cleveland Church of Latter of Latter Day Saints spared us from such evil.

No sir its about JF not living up to what he said he would do. That being remain sober, be a model citizen and put his head down and work.

It's about a little bastard that refuses to do what he is suppose to do and what he said he would do. And its about being held accountable for his failures. This has all to do with JF actions and nothing what-so-ever to do with Pet.

No more excuses no more broken promises and no more excuses based on some one else having done worse things.

Yes the standards are higher and so is the pay and so is the need for him to understand as a roll model the importance of the roll.

He publicly went out and got hammered and in doing so he was and is snubbing his nose at not just Pet, but his team mates and fans.

Hopefully this helps him and us in the long haul... But JF will decide where this goes from here, not Pet. This all falls on JF and no ONE ELSE.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Some bogus unimportant ultimatum that is a desperate show-of-power attempt by someone who is in over their head and doesn't have the competence to have his players follow him through actions, rather than rank.

It's really sad that these silly demands were made, and sad that they weren't followed.

Oh well.. good luck in Dallas, Johnny.

soooo...take the day off for Goff?

Back Off for Goff is still better. I am open to other suggestions. Don't Move an Inch for Lynch is still my best work though.

I like Slack off for Goff better.

Knowing the Browns a more accurate saying would be..we are going to get took by Cook...lol.

That's the new one.

By Hook or By Crook for Cook
Slack Off for Goff
Don't Move an Inch for Lynch

Not a QB, but....

"Go Comatosa for Bosa"??

Any takers???

Over those QBs, yes.

Get bofa'ed for Bosa.

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I disagree - completely, vehemently, wholeheartedly.

I'm going to speak from personal experience and knowledge here... I am a recovering alcoholic. I knew it in my bones as early as age 17, yet I never got sober until I was 35. In all of those years in between there were attempts to clean up - and subsequent relapses. I'm 9-1/2 years sober right now, and I know that there are several members of this site that have double and maybe even triple the number of years sobriety that I have that can validate what I'm saying here:

On recovery: everyone wants to argue what his substance might or might not be, but what nobody is realizing is that IT DOES NOT MATTER. It's all the SAME THING. If you're a coke addict and you keep on drinking, you are NOT clean. All you've done is substitute your drug of choice. If you want to know more on that, ask me - or ask Google, there is a LOT out there on this topic. I just had to point that out, and beyond that, it's all moot (or 'moo', if you think it matters as much as a cow's opinion) for the rest of this.

To me, looking from the perspective of my experiences and what I'm seeing/reading about what has gone on with this kid, it is pretty darn clear that he's got a real, bonafide problem, and it's better than even odds that it is alcohol based upon the articles above. I would at this point go so far as to call him an alcoholic, and what we are witnessing from him right now is something I've been through a few times myself and that is the progressive slide backwards from recovery to a full-blown relapse.

What I'm seeing Pett & Company doing is trying to freaking help the kid by giving him a wake up call. The door is still open for him to return to play if he cleans his act up - and it is slammed shut if he doesn't. It is Manziel's Choice.

Get Bank of America'd ???

I don't have the experience you do Purp, but what you say sounds like a solid thought to me.

There was a post on here somewhere (on this thread) that made me think that they are trying to do exactly as you say.

Shock Treatment or maybe it's a "scared straight" Moment.

I guess we'll see.

Or it could have the opposite effect, he comes in works hard improves in all aspects stays pretty much out of the bad media earns a starting role. So on bye week with a little down time has some fun with friends nothing crazy no harm to anyone no arrests...BOOM...lose your starting role.

So now what he he gets the who cares attitude, how does that help him?

what makes you think that is not his attitude all along?

That's up to him, nobody else. He can either choose the "who cares" attitude, or he can choose the "damn, I gotta get myself right & squared away" attitude. Nobody chooses that for him.

Others merely choose how they react to what he does, and he chooses how he reacts to them. The ball is in his court.