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That is where they lost me also..if you believe Jesus as a true Prophet..then how in the heck can you not believe Jesus said he was the last and only one..Then accept what mohammed says:/

So I just caught up on John Oliver, and did my own fact checking.

In 1939" the US turned away a boat full of Jewish refugees. They went back to Europe.

More that's a quarter of them died in concentration camps.

Probably true.

nobody wants to touch this one, huh?

Yea, a lot like Obama laying down with Reverend Wright who cursed America. Yea, kinda like that.

It's nice to know where you get your history from. Yes, it happened. The US was really doubtful on German refugees after the war too. Refugee policy was different then. The current refugee policy was passed in 1968.

and yet you'd think we'd learn our lesson on that.

i just said i fact checked to make sure it was truthful, so why complain about where i heard it from?

Something something biased liberal media something something.

You'd also think some might learn from current events. Here's part of Senator Session's list of refugee terrorists.

•On January 29, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed – a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship – for allegedly providing material support to Harakat Shabaab Al-Mujahidin, also known as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda. Mohamed is believed to have left the U.S. on July 5, 2012, with the intent to join Al-Shabaab in East Africa. Mohamed previously lived in the metro D.C. area and worked as a cab driver, and is believed to have snuck across the border to Mexico after being placed on the no-fly list. Carl Ghattas, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Washington, D.C. Field Office emphasized the importance of locating Mohamed, “because he has knowledge of the Washington, D.C. area’s infrastructure such as shopping areas, Metro, airports, and government buildings . . . [t]his makes him an asset to his terrorist associates who might plot attacks on U.S. soil.” Arrest Warrant
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, Abdinassir Mohamud Ibrahim – a native of Somalia who came to the United States as a refugee in 2007 at the age of 22 and subsequently adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status – was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and for making a false statement in his immigration paperwork. Ibrahim knowingly lied in his application for citizenship, and previously lied on his request for refugee status, by falsely claiming that he was of a member of the minority Awer clan in Somalia and subject to persecution by the majority Hawiye clan. However, Ibrahim was actually a member of the Hawiye clan and not subject to persecution. In fact, according to the Complaint, “Ibrahim’s family was famous . . . [and] [t]hrough his clan lineage, Ibrahim was related to known Somali terrorists[.]” Ibrahim also admitted he had lied on his citizenship application by having previously lied on his refugee application by falsely claiming that he had not provided material support to a terrorist group, when he had in fact provided material support in the form of cash to an Al-Shabaab member. Criminal Complaint Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Abdullah Ramo Pazara – a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship in 2013 – was named in an indictment against six individuals listed below. Pazara was not charged because, purportedly, he is believed to be dead. According to the Indictment, the others listed provided material support to Pazara, who left the United States to go to Syria and fight with ISIS just eleven days after becoming a citizen. Among other things, Pazara allegedly told an individual about a mission where they “captured a large area, killed even individuals, captured one, and added that they intended to slaughter the prisoner the follow[ing] day.” According to press accounts, at the time Pazara was purportedly killed in Syria, he was a deputy to one of the top ISIS commanders. Indictment
• On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic – a native of Bosnia, and a purported Bosnian war hero who came to the United States as a refugee – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, with providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. According to the indictment, among other things, Hodzic obtained money that he used to “purchase materials and supplies including: United States military uniforms, tactical combat boots, military surplus goods, tactical gear and clothing, firearms accessories, optical equipment and range finders, rifle scopes, equipment, and supplies . . . intending that the materials and supplies would thereafter be transferred to, and used to support” Abdullah Ramo Pazara and ISIS. Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Sedina Unkic Hodzic – the wife of Ramiz Zijad Hodzic, and a native of Bosnia who came to the United States as a refugee – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, and providing material support to terrorists. According to the indictment, Sedina, along with her husband, collected money from third parties and wired it to terrorists abroad. Also according to the indictment, Sedina shipped six boxes of U.S. military uniforms, combat boots, tactical clothing and gear, military surplus items, firearms accessories, rifle scopes, optical equipment, first aid supplies, and other equipment to terrorists abroad. Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Armin Harcevic – a native of Bosnia who came to the United States as a refugee, and subsequently adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, and with providing material support to terrorists. According to the Indictment, Harcevic collected money from third parties and wired it and his own funds to terrorists abroad. Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Nihad Rosic – a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. According to the indictment, Rosic sent funds to terrorists abroad, and attempted to travel to Syria to join terrorists in Syria and Iraq. According to press accounts, Rosic was a truck driver and former mixed martial arts fighter who had previously been charged with endangering the welfare of a child after punching a woman in the face while she held a child, and in a separate incident, was charged with assault after allegedly beating his girlfriend with a belt. Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Mediha Medy Salkicevic – a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, and providing material support to terrorists. According to press accounts, Salkicevic was formerly an employee with a cargo company that deals with items coming in and out of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. According to the indictment, Salkicevic collected money from third parties and wired it and her own funds to terrorists abroad. Indictment
•On February 5, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Jasminka Ramic – a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship – was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, and providing material support to terrorists. According to the indictment, Ramic collected money from third parties and wired it and her own funds to terrorists abroad. Indictment
•On April 20, 2015, in the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota, Abdurahman Yasin Daud – who was born in a refugee camp in Kenya, came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, and subsequently adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status – was charged (along with six others) with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Daud and another individual drove from Minnesota to San Diego to attempt to get passports, cross the border into Mexico, and fly to Syria in an attempt to join ISIS. Criminal Complaint Indictment
•On April 20, 2015, in the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota, Guled Ali Omar – who was also born in a Kenyan refugee camp, and sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, adjusted to Lawful Permanent Resident status, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship – was charged with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Omar is the younger brother of another indicted fugitive, Ahmed Ali Omar, who left the United States in 2007 to fight for Al-Shabaab. Another one of his brothers, Mohamed Ali Omar, was convicted in March of threatening federal agents when they came to the family’s residence to interview Guled Omar. During a press conference, U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota, Andy Luger, said that Omar “never stopped plotting,” and had previously attempted to leave the United States. Criminal Complaint Indictment
•On August 12, 2015, in the United States District Court for the District of Idaho, Fazliddin Kurbanov – a native of Uzbekistan who came to the United States as a refugee in 2009 – was found guilty on charges that he conspired and attempted to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization and possessed an unregistered destructive device. U.S. Assistant Attorney General John Carlin stated that he “conspired to provide material support to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and procured bomb-making materials in the interest of perpetrating a terrorist attack on American soil.” According to press reports, Kurbanov began his life as a Muslim, but faced persecution after his family converted to Orthodox Christianity. After coming to the United States with his family as a refugee, Kurbanov is said to have converted back to Islam and radicalized. Superseding Indictment Original Indictment (Idaho) Original Indictment (Utah)

libby tree hugging, commie something something

we've allowed how many refugee's in since that new policy has passed?

and how many have done bad things?

don't worry, i'll wait.

and then you listed a handful of stuff...compared to how many refugee's we've let in this year?

again, don't worry, i'll wait.

We can start with the tsarniav brothers, if you missed my earlier post.

Hell

Christians believe other Christians pervert text and false doctrine. It's why I don't blame atheists for blasting us. Christians can't agree on anything either with different denominations. You have televangelists, believers that feel just being a good person gets you saved, people that don't believe you need to be baptized, people that attend church only on Easter and Christmas. I'm not sure how it is for Muslims. Do they have similar issues?

The whole Sunni and Shia conflict causes massive turmoil in different nations. That's what caused Saddam to do ridiculous things.

Of course they do how many different of sects are their in the muslim religion. Hell they can't agree on anything either.

yes. it's muslims vs jihadi's.

sunni's vs shiites.

and whole list of other nonsense.

nobody can ever agree on anything. you know how there's tons of different denominations of christianity even though they all end up saying the same stuff? its the same exact thing with muslims. everytime i go back to Adana, my family is always arguing over dinner about what the text say. and i'm sitting there like "damn i need a bacon mcdouble right now"

Man all of the religions change the text to fit their views..

so show the stats of refugee's doing bad things compared to the number that don't.

you keep dodging it. i'll wait.

I was wondering if it was bad as Christianity. There's probably 100 different denominations with millions of different ideas for salvation in Christianity.

Just for the record I don't have a problem with refugees just the ones in this particular part of the world.

Wanna know why? What brings in the most $$$$$$$

The stats are skewed. The tsarniav brothers were not considered refugees, even though they were brought in with their father who was. Due to lousy statistics keeping, I will never be able to find the true numbers. It's like the unemployment numbers that don't count the 93 million people that are out of work and not looking.

I think is just as bad in the sense they cant agree on anything either..The different sects of muslims that is.

and i know you said you hate when i bash religion bro.

but let me explain. i can't say for certain, but man if people weren't committing crimes, massacres, and war's in the name of <insert religion> i'd probably be a lot more...tolerant? understanding? of you guys beliefs.

hell, i might actually claim one myself. but i just can't in reality. so many "your religion is wrong, my religion is the right one" and vise versa.

the 3 major religions in this world worship the same God. yet can't get along with each other.

spin spin spin. i read that as "i know there's a vast majority of good, but since i already have my opinion set, and i'm talking to swish, i need to continue feeding the board BS"

Man do you know how many people in this country don't know/believe the last line in your post..That is scary to me:/

That's no spin at all. You can look that one up yourself. The tsarniavs brothers were not counted as refugees, even though they were brought here with their refugee father. They were first reported as refugees by the media after the Boston bombing, and then the media retracted the refugee status under the technicality that their father was the one that applied for asylum, not them. Please educate yourself a little.

I think the only reason you want them here is due to the political correct culture that is festering in this country. Bash Christians all you want, but they tend not to kill their fellow Christians if they leave the religion. Usually, the worst you get out of them is a proclamation that you'll burn in hell, instead of in a locked cage.

The more prudent path would be to use our military, establish a safe zone within their country, and keep blowing the crap out of isis from afar until these 'refugees' are able to remove this threat themselves.

ok, you're a stat guy.

even with if you add the numbers of people who SHOULD be counted,

i bet the vasty majority don't fall into terrorism.

i'll put 1,000 dollars right now. pay pal. lets go. put your money where your mouth is. post the links showing the majority of refugee's are bad.

The brothers fell into radical thought within our own country. It could've happened to anyone.

Do you not realize Christianity went through growing pains? Islam is a baby compared to how long Christianity has been around.

If our dear leader takes in 100's of thousands of Syrians..I'll take that bet..hell I'll raise it to whatever u can afford to do.

I'm feeling like their is an opportunity here for someone:)

cool. its done. me and you got the bet. now i'm waiting on Erik.

yep.

but they will say it's not true. that muslim god is different from christianity god because of the name "allah"

they don't even realize that Allah is just arabic for God.

i've said on this board a thousands times. Christians in the middle east call god....guess what? Allah.

Blahblah radical right wingers blahblah xenophobes.

Your turn.

My only stipulation is what I wrote..100's of thousand or even..if we can agree on..what would be lets say a huge number of Syrians not other refugees from other areas..

I'll take that action in a heart beat. If this happens I'll settle up with and get it going:) I really don't know if this will happen..the large amount of syrians coming in or not but if it does..I'm game regardless of Eric

Sound fair to you?

majority, as i mean 51 percent or more.

hell, just to make it interesting, i'll take 45 percent.

so thats the deal. 45 percent of syrians coming over here must turn jihadi, and i'll pay out.

Of course the vast majority won't. Otherwise they'd all be waving a black flag. That's just idiotic. Still, it doesn't mean I want them here, any more than I'd want a bunch of hardcore commies or Nazis. They are an antithesis of the way Americans tend to live.

FBH, see what i mean?

And how long of a time line are we talking? months years decades??

Jihadi? or just terrorize? Or do you actually mean like jihadi john isis??

I was not familiar with that... Sad event. Turned away by Cuba, USA, and Canada, forced back to Europe. The one article I read had some quotes from a man who was 7 at the time. He said the best he was treated during the whole thing was by the crew of the ship they were on... and the crew was German. go figure.

let me ask you a question, would you be opposed to bringing refugees here and putting them in camps.. (Yea, I know, internment camps bad, blahblah).. but bring them here NOW, but contain them while we did background checks? That way they are not over there for 2 years waiting?

Yes..I'm not speaking of erik i think he is a brilliant dude..and I no I do not agree with everything he says.

But yes I understand what your saying.