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what did you think of that? That there is stuff internally that people may not know about. My guess is the specifics about his meeting with the off. staff coupled with how the players are reacting (not kindly) to him continuing to provide distractions. Knee jerk thoughts. yea. i thought so. also looked pissed that he had to talk about it? Yeah. Hartline was staring down Ruiter--even intimidating him, I thought. Hartline knew where the questioning was headed, you could see it in his face.
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what did you think of that? That there is stuff internally that people may not know about. My guess is the specifics about his meeting with the off. staff coupled with how the players are reacting (not kindly) to him continuing to provide distractions. Knee jerk thoughts. yea. i thought so. also looked pissed that he had to talk about it? Yeah. Hartline was staring down Ruiter--even intimidating him, I thought. Hartline knew where the questioning was headed, you could see it in his face. Player reaction: Pettine said he didn’t want to “pile on” Manziel by breaking the news in a full team meeting setting. So how did he do it? Receiver Brian Hartline said, “He pulled a group of the leadership council together and told us. I think that was sufficient.” Hartline said the locker room “absolutely” understands the decision. He was asked if some players questioned whether the demotion was justified, as many fans seem to think. “Why do the fans think that?” Hartline said. “No one ever said he couldn’t (have fun on the bye week). You’re talking about something you don’t know all the facts to and you are making a lot of assumptions. How we handle our business and how we go about things is on us. We stand behind the coach and the decisions.” Left tackle Joe Thomas said, “I’ll let coach Pettine dig in to the justification. I think it’s probably more than what you see on the surface from TMZ report, or whatever report. We support Coach’s decision and I’ll let him dig into the details of why he made the decision.” http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=51881
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Jones would just have the party at his house and no way would pictures make it to the internet.
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Seem to be blaming the Browns as victims IMO. Situation is awful, and I am pulling for him to get better. But no consequences = no change for this kid. So, I disagree. Do what you feel you need to do. But we are at a worse place in light of a string of JM issues.
I disagree that he gets a pass. May be the wrong move in your opinion, but this is not an issue we need to be busy with. Winning a game, any game, this next game is. I think it is overdue. I respect your take on it.
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Can't say I see it as a bad thing at all. Another black eye. What he says and what he does are two quite different things pretty consistently. Consequences happen.
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J/C ...... I want to think way, way,way back to ...... 8 days ago .... when Manziel said this: BEREA, Ohio -- Johnny Manziel, named the Browns' full-time starter Tuesday, promised coach Mike Pettine that he'll be a model citizen -- beginning with the bye this week. "I let him know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization,'' he said. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week." http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/11/cleveland_browns_johnny_manziel_im.htmlNow, I have to ask this question for all who are thinking that Pettine went overboard ...... What do you think Manziel and Pettine talked about when Johnny promised not to be a distraction or an embarrassment to the organization? Do you think that it might have had something to do with being out drunk in public? Johnny agreed with whatever Pettine and he spoke about ... and I have to think that it was about not drinking .... and then he went and did it anyway. Manziel had to know how Pettine felt about the bad media surrounding Manziel, even though he was not found to have done anything to hurt his girlfriend ... the fact that Manziel is back with a girl who is obviously a heavy drinker, when Manziel has issues in that area, had to have come up. The fact that Manziel wound up on the front page of Newspapers, and leading the sport news because of off the field problems that involved alcohol had to have come up. The Johnny goes out and get really bombed ..... twice, from reports I have heard. That is not only stupid, but it is also disrespectful towards the coach, just days after making him a promise not to do such things. I do think that Pettine has Manziel's best interests at heart. Here is what Pettine had to say about the situation: Mike Pettine won't cut Johnny Manziel: 'It's not a dead end; it's a hurdle' | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_story_packageBEREA, Ohio -- Mike Pettine said the Browns never considered cutting Johnny Manziel after his partying video surfaced Monday. Instead, they're hoping his demotion from starter to third string is a springboard for future success. Here are some quick highlights from Pettine's presser Wednesday: * He said Manziel's demotion to third string doesn't necessarily spell the end of him in Cleveland: "We certainly hope not. He's made progress. We told him, 'this isn't a dead end. It's a hurdle.'' * He said things could change in regard to Manziel being the third-stringer. * He said the biggest issues were trust and accountability: "He violated that trust.'' * He said Manziel knew that he was on a zero tolerance policy for the bye weekend: "I think that was made reasonably clear to him.'' * He said the position of quarterback "is always going to be held to a higher standard. You have to take the mentality that no one is going to outwork you.'' He cited the qualities of leadership and harped on trust. * He stressed "there's no personal rift between he and I. Nobody will be more proud when he does turn the corner than me.'' * He said this benching does impact the Browns ability to evaluate Manziel, "but this was too important'' to over-ride that. * He said the move was "absolutely necessary to maximize his chance for future success.'' * He added, "this is a healthy dose of adversity. Let's see how he handles it.'' * He said Manziel has "made vast improvements'' on the football field but "has a ways to go in other aspects.'' * On the front office's feeling on the issue: "We all stand together on this one.'' * He added that they're not ready to give up on Manziel and they want to see how he responds. --------------------------------------------------------- This sounds to me like Pettine does care about the kid. Face it, the easiest thing for Pettine to do would have been to overlook the whole thing, and maybe let Manziel implode. He didn't do that. I think that Manziel is heading for another trip to rehab though. (if he's smart) As Mary Kay wrote, even Manziel's former coach, the man who has been consistently in Manziel's corner, has expressed serious concern about Manziel being out drinking. I think that says something, because if anyone knows the whole story of what is going on in Manziel's like, it's him. So if Pettine not going to cut him, how many more years does this circus continue? In the mean time, while we wait for Pettine to decide to give JM another chance, we're stuck with guys like Mccown at QB. This team is never going to improve.
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"At this point I'm pulling for Jerry Jones to land this guy and save him from this dysfunctional franchise in which he cannot just be himself, like his team mates, and cannot ever be successful in this environment. I believe Jerry Jones, who has a certain amount of respect league-wide, will do what Mike Pettine and the Cleveland organization could not do and that is to "Pffft" the whole thing, paint Johnny as no different than anybody else, and diminish the interest in persecuting this kid. Johnny can then be home in Texas, permitted to be himself, as is everybody else, and play football."
Remember.. Jerry Jones is the guy who put babysitters on Dez Bryant almost 24/7 for several years. My point 32 is that Jones has certainly has his share of malcontents and trouble makers and deals with them in a way that gets the best out of them. You say that but don't take into consideration that those he puts up with and deals with differently, are, for the most part, All Pros. Johnny manziel isn't an all pro. Jerry Jones doesn't put up with this stuff from players that can't take over and win a game for him. I guarantee, if Jones does acquire Manziel, he won't put up with anything for the type of performance we've gotten here. Manziel will need to improve a BUNCH to be treated special like Dez Bryant.
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And "Boom goes the Dynamite".
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And "Boom goes the Dynamite". Kinda sorta feels like that, doesn't it?
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And "Boom goes the Dynamite". Will the Browns ask Manziel, 22, to go back to rehab or urge him to do so? “Certainly a lot of things will get discussed, but I won’t go into the details,” Pettine replied. “It is very private.”......... All-Pro left tackle Joe Thomas said he thinks all of the players support Pettine’s decision partly because the situation surrounding Manziel probably involves “more than what you see on the surface from a TMZ report.” “I think it’s important that if you have rules and guidelines and people tell you something, that you have follow through,” Thomas said. “I think it’s important in every walk of life to be a man of your word and do the things you say you’re going to do and be held accountable. “That’s one of the things that I really respect about Coach Pettine. Since he’s gotten the job, he’s been holding the players accountable. He doesn’t run from challenges. He faces them head on, and he does what he thinks is right in all circumstances, even if maybe it doesn’t look good off the bat.” http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns...hurdle-1.643372
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I heard Pettine's presser today and he said that he, Flip, and O'Connell all met with Manziel in advance of his bye week departure, and that their expectations about his behavior on the break were made clear. Manziel agreed to their conditions and promised not to be a distraction, or to embarrass the organization.
It was a matter of trust.
Pettine's money quote from the presser, when asked about the possibility of Manziel regaining the starting job: "You lose trust in buckets and you get it back in drops."
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“I think it’s important that if you have rules and guidelines and people tell you something, that you have follow through,” Thomas said. “I think it’s important in every walk of life to be a man of your word and do the things you say you’re going to do and be held accountable." Blamo. So, it's not about Manziel drinking alcohol?
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“I think it’s important that if you have rules and guidelines and people tell you something, that you have follow through,” Thomas said. “I think it’s important in every walk of life to be a man of your word and do the things you say you’re going to do and be held accountable." Blamo. So, it's not about Manziel drinking alcohol? Will the Browns ask Manziel, 22, to go back to rehab or urge him to do so? “Certainly a lot of things will get discussed, but I won’t go into the details,” Pettine replied. “It is very private.”.........
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General thought.
I don't think Josh McCown gives you the best chance to win any longer!
After week 4? a caller to the post game show said it best. " I'm 90% sure Manziel's not the future of the Browns, but I'm 100% sure McCown's not!
Me! I know Austin Davis ain't ready to be the #1.
They Brought Manziel Here to Play Football. Not perform weddings, commencement addresses, public relations, babysit kids, teach school, police streets, be a crossing guard, or any of the like.
He ain't going to do any good WATCHING ANOTHER GAME! AND WE AIN'T GOING TO LEARN ANY MORE WATCHING AUSTIN DAVIS OR A 39 AND A HALF YEAR OLD MCCOWN!
LET MANZIEL PLAY!
LET MANZIEL LOSE/ OR WIN!
LET HIM PLAY FOOTBALL, HE'S A FOOTBALL PLAYER.
HE'S NOT A DOCTOR.
Are the Browns a football team, or an ETHICS' SHOW?
THE Raiders' wouldn't do him like this. That is a sad statement.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Jones would just have the party at his house and no way would pictures make it to the internet.
Eh, then again, they might get out...  I never saw that one. Okay, I take it back. Jones would throw the party and they'd both be on the front page. Of course this would only assure Johnny's starting spot after Romo retires.
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General thought.
I don't think Josh McCown gives you the best chance to win any longer!
After week 4? a caller to the post game show said it best. " I'm 90% sure Manziel's not the future of the Browns, but I'm 100% sure McCown's not!
Me! I know Austin Davis ain't ready to be the #1.
They Brought Manziel Here to Play Football. Not perform weddings, commencement addresses, public relations, babysit kids, teach school, police streets, be a crossing guard, or any of the like.
He ain't going to do any good WATCHING ANOTHER GAME! AND WE AIN'T GOING TO LEARN ANY MORE WATCHING AUSTIN DAVIS OR A 39 AND A HALF YEAR OLD MCCOWN!
LET MANZIEL PLAY!
LET MANZIEL LOSE/ OR WIN!
LET HIM PLAY FOOTBALL, HE'S A FOOTBALL PLAYER.
HE'S NOT A DOCTOR.
Are the Browns a football team, or an ETHICS' SHOW?
THE Raiders' wouldn't do him like this. That is a sad statement.
Exactly! But I guess he's never gonna get another chance to play like a Brown
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Manziel agreed to their conditions and promised not to be a distraction, or to embarrass the organization.
It was a matter of trust. I keep reading crap like this from numerous posters and lame ass reporters like Mary Kay. Tell me what he did that was such a freaking distraction? Someone took a pic of him w/a champagne bottle. So freaking what? One more time............a huge percentage of NFL players party. And they party hard. You think Joe Thomas doesn't drink? Do an internet search of him and his girlfriend while in college drinking beer. He has a mug that is about as big as one of Johnny's legs. We got guys beating the crap out of women. Sexually assaulting them. Getting arrested. They keep playing and JM gets demoted for holding a bottle of champagne? That's crap and all the narrative junk that you guys are spewing will never change that. The only thing that can change it is if there is way more to the story.
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Apparently Joe and Brian think - no, KNOW, there's more to the story. They are inside the locker room. Flip, Haslem, and Farmer signed off on it.
Maybe those people know more than we do?
I doubt you'll see this, but others will.
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Apparently Joe and Brian think - no, KNOW, there's more to the story. They are inside the locker room. Flip, Haslem, and Farmer signed off on it.
Maybe those people know more than we do?
I doubt you'll see this, but others will. nope they know which side their bread is buttered on and are toeing the party line because they dont mind perpetuating this losing culture as long as they get paid a king's ransom...spare me with this BS
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Apparently Joe and Brian think - no, KNOW, there's more to the story. They are inside the locker room. Flip, Haslem, and Farmer signed off on it.
Maybe those people know more than we do?
I doubt you'll see this, but others will. nope they know which side their bread is buttered on and are toeing the party line because they dont mind perpetuating this losing culture as long as they get paid a king's ransom...spare me with this BS I don't know you but I can say that comment is ridiculous. Joe has never minced words with the press. He calls it like he sees it.
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Vers, my opinion, it's pretty simple. It's spelled... D-I-S-T-R-A-C-T-I-O-N.
You can't tell me, being a coach, this isn't simply an issue with the kid having a good time.
If your QB had a little to much fun a few days before a game, it makes the newspaper, and you must face facility (who want the kid suspended) explaining why the kid must play, you'd be ok with it. Oh, this isn't the first time the kid had liberties! If so, I wish you were my coach!
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Apparently Joe and Brian think - no, KNOW, there's more to the story. They are inside the locker room. Flip, Haslem, and Farmer signed off on it.
Maybe those people know more than we do?
I doubt you'll see this, but others will. nope they know which side their bread is buttered on and are toeing the party line because they dont mind perpetuating this losing culture as long as they get paid a king's ransom...spare me with this BS Oh. Apparently john forgot what side butters his bread? John doesn't toe the party line, at all, because he's never had to and never suffered any consequence for his behavior. And truthfully, John might be looking at having to live off his parents oil money if he doesn't straighten up. I'm sure if the Browns get rid of him he'll get picked up somewhere for a minimum contract. My guess is he'll also squander that. Why not? He's got backup, financially. I certainly do wish him the best. I was actually kind of excited that he'd get 6 games to show us what he's got. And, at the end of the week, with Josh getting hurt so much, maybe he'll still get some game time, who knows. So, spare me your crap.
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I think his comment is ridiculous, but so are the comments about Johnny embarrassing the organization because he was holding a bottle of champagne.
Come on, man. You know that is some lame-ass logic that many of these guys are holding on to. Right?
Again, if Johnny did something much worse, like getting a DUI after leaving the party that night, or he raped some girl while he was there, or beat the shit out of one the girls that was hitting on him..........then, it's a different story and I understand his demotion.
But, it was the bye week. Drinking is not against the law.
I gotta bring it up again:
Are the Browns so against drinking that they will stop selling alcohol during the games?
Will they stop accepting money from companies that sell alcohol?
We know the answer to both of those questions. Sorry man, while that dude might be whacked, the guys supporting the decision to bench JM for holding a bottle of champagne are even more whacked. And no amount of rhetoric from them is going to change that fact.
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He most likely, based off of reports from his past, went to rehab for a potential alcohol issue.
Now photos surfaced of him partying hard. As well as constant apologies, but he continues to find new ways to embarrass himself.
What don't you understand?
The Browns are against enabling alcoholics they can control to an extent. But, that doesn't mean you bench the whole team because someone made a dumb mistake.
No way can they prevent the sale of alcohol. Asking a total stranger if they're an alcoholic is a violation of many things. Having a known alcoholic who checked into rehab, and now is throwing up red flags with alcohol issues is something they can control.
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bugs, it is my opinion that Pet made it a big distraction. If it were me, I would have said..........."no comment." The story would have died. But no, Pet demotes him and the story escalates into ridiculous proportions.
Drinking is NOT against the law. Other players party hard. There is something else going on here. Either JM is guilty of something much more sinister or Pet is a complete ass!
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I think his comment is ridiculous, but so are the comments about Johnny embarrassing the organization because he was holding a bottle of champagne.
Come on, man. You know that is some lame-ass logic that many of these guys are holding on to. Right?
Again, if Johnny did something much worse, like getting a DUI after leaving the party that night, or he raped some girl while he was there, or beat the shit out of one the girls that was hitting on him..........then, it's a different story and I understand his demotion.
But, it was the bye week. Drinking is not against the law.
I gotta bring it up again:
Are the Browns so against drinking that they will stop selling alcohol during the games?
Will they stop accepting money from companies that sell alcohol?
We know the answer to both of those questions. Sorry man, while that dude might be whacked, the guys supporting the decision to bench JM for holding a bottle of champagne are even more whacked. And no amount of rhetoric from them is going to change that fact. So, you choose to ignore Joe Thomas and Brian Hartline and their comments that there's more to it than the drinking. You choose to ignore Pet, Flip, Farmer, and Haslem as to all agreeing on it?
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I don't understand your persistent need to name call anyone who runs counter to the agenda or narrative you spew.
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I don't understand your dumb posts. Way to keep it classy.
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Seriously? I didn't start the crap w/you. You started w/me. You act like I am stupid by saying........."what don't you understand?"
Show me what the hell I said to YOU before that. You can't. Because I didn't say one freaking word to YOU!!!!
Then, you get all offended when I respond. Grow a pair.
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Seriously? I didn't start the crap w/you. You started w/me. You act like I am stupid by saying........."what don't you understand?"
Show me what the hell I said to YOU before that. You can't. Because I didn't say one freaking word to YOU!!!!
Then, you get all offended when I respond. Grow a pair. And you're a teacher. Wow.
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bugs, it is my opinion that Pet made it a big distraction. If it were me, I would have said..........."no comment." The story would have died. But no, Pet demotes him and the story escalates into ridiculous proportions.
Drinking is NOT against the law. Other players party hard. There is something else going on here. Either JM is guilty of something much more sinister or Pet is a complete ass! Vers, it's cool, if that's your thinking...so be it. I think there is a lot more to this than we are privileged. Based on Heartline's comments it speaks volumes. It appears not all is well with Manziel and his teammates. Again, I think we are only hearing a small portion.
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Vers, not that you'll listen but three things.
1) This is FAR from the first time he's had an issue with alcohol and partying. A guy screws up once, you cut him some slack. Maybe even the second or third time...but at some point you have to say enough is enough. It's not done out of hatred or disdain either. Just like punishing your own children. You do it out of love in hopes they learn from it and become better people in the long run. I think Pet and the Browns truly want to help Johnny in the big picture of life which is infinitely more important than the Ravens game or any game.
2) It's been stated now from multiple people within the org (i.e. people who know a heck of a lot more details than you and I) that there is more to this story than we all know. They also aren't going to tell us what that is any time soon. They're acting like professionals and keeping the dirty laundry in-house. Good for them. Especially when a young kids life and future are in the balance.
3) You can choose to think it's dumb or wrong or whatever you want but the fact of the matter is Johnny's an employee of the Cleveland Browns. Their management sat down with him and as part of his performance expectations outlined what he shouldn't be doing during his personal time off and that included drinking and partying (along with whatever else happened that we don't know about). That's their prerogative. My employer can tell me I can't wear a blue shirt on Saturdays or I'll be fired. If I wear one anyway and they find out and fire me....well that's on me for being dumb. If you can't agree to the terms of employment then don't work there. Johnny knew and apparently agreed with the terms the team set forth, even giving his word that he'd follow the orders (again not the first time this merry-go-round has played out)....and then immediately violated the terms. Sure lots of other players were out partying or drinking during the bye week, but they weren't explicitly told NOT to do that because of their past and current situation.
I commend the Browns for caring about the kid, trying to teach him a lesson in hopes of helping him out and for having the cajones to make a decision they knew they'd get roasted for in the media. How this is anybody's fault but Manziel's I have no idea.
Major, major props to them for doing the right thing.
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Manziel agreed to their conditions and promised not to be a distraction, or to embarrass the organization.
It was a matter of trust. I keep reading crap like this from numerous posters and lame ass reporters like Mary Kay. Tell me what he did that was such a freaking distraction? Someone took a pic of him w/a champagne bottle. So freaking what? One more time............a huge percentage of NFL players party. And they party hard. You think Joe Thomas doesn't drink? Do an internet search of him and his girlfriend while in college drinking beer. He has a mug that is about as big as one of Johnny's legs. We got guys beating the crap out of women. Sexually assaulting them. Getting arrested. They keep playing and JM gets demoted for holding a bottle of champagne? That's crap and all the narrative junk that you guys are spewing will never change that. The only thing that can change it is if there is way more to the story. Player reaction: Pettine said he didn’t want to “pile on” Manziel by breaking the news in a full team meeting setting. So how did he do it? Receiver Brian Hartline said, “He pulled a group of the leadership council together and told us. I think that was sufficient.” Hartline said the locker room “absolutely” understands the decision. He was asked if some players questioned whether the demotion was justified, as many fans seem to think. “Why do the fans think that?” Hartline said. “No one ever said he couldn’t (have fun on the bye week). You’re talking about something you don’t know all the facts to and you are making a lot of assumptions. How we handle our business and how we go about things is on us. We stand behind the coach and the decisions.” Left tackle Joe Thomas said, “I’ll let coach Pettine dig in to the justification. I think it’s probably more than what you see on the surface from TMZ report, or whatever report. We support Coach’s decision and I’ll let him dig into the details of why he made the decision.” http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=51881Will the Browns ask Manziel, 22, to go back to rehab or urge him to do so? “Certainly a lot of things will get discussed, but I won’t go into the details,” Pettine replied. “It is very private.”......... All-Pro left tackle Joe Thomas said he thinks all of the players support Pettine’s decision partly because the situation surrounding Manziel probably involves “more than what you see on the surface from a TMZ report.” “I think it’s important that if you have rules and guidelines and people tell you something, that you have follow through,” Thomas said. “I think it’s important in every walk of life to be a man of your word and do the things you say you’re going to do and be held accountable. “That’s one of the things that I really respect about Coach Pettine. Since he’s gotten the job, he’s been holding the players accountable. He doesn’t run from challenges. He faces them head on, and he does what he thinks is right in all circumstances, even if maybe it doesn’t look good off the bat.” http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns...hurdle-1.643372
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I didn't see your post, but man, it's amazing how many times I click on threads and I see that you have responded to me.
What the heck is your issue, man? You know I have you on ignore. So, what is your purpose?
I suppose there is only one plausible answer: You want others to agree w/you that I am this terrible person. [oh, I better add that I just left myself open to either cfrs or Memphis saying I make myself look bad all by myself.......HaHa....you guys are a riot.]
That's pretty sad, arch. Do you really take pleasure by hurting other people? I don't reply to your posts. I don't slam you. I pretty much discuss my takes on the team until someone slams me. Then I respond to them. Of course, there is always the obligatory response immediately afterwards where I see you responding to me.
Get a freaking life, arch. This is a message board. It's really weird that you--or anyone--hates other posters w/so much passion.
I'm serious about that. You scare me w/your obsession.
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bugs, I have said that there may be much more to the story several times.
I have also stated that if that is the case, I take back what I said.
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I listened to Pets Presser with an open mind, And read the Joe Thomas statement.
Calmed down from yesterday, I asked myself. Is it really that bad to where I was hating on a HC and a team that I dearly love, Been through hell and back with this team and front office.
I had to ask myself, If I really felt that strong toward Johnny. Did I believe he was going to honestly be the one to take us out of the losing ways we are accustomed to.
Take us into the play-offs and beyond to a SuperBowl. Would he be the leader to accomplish this for 8-10 years.
I found that what I really wanted, was to simply see him play out the season, to merely see what we had in him.It was more about knowing who to draft.
Honestly I was more concerned about the draft than I was Johnnys success, and that's terrible.
Am I disappointed ? Yes, Does it deserve the harshness in my reactions ? No. I as a fan of this team need to step back on this a little and not become so hateful.
I want the best for this team, from the FO ,Coaches to the players to us fans. I really do believe if Johnny is the best bet, then he will over come this and prove that he is.
If not , then once again we know the road quite well. I'm not saying I'm not bummed, What I want to say is I'm not giving up on this organization do to what I wanted. I won't let this one player incident destroy the strong fandom I have for a team that really does matter to me.
I will stay strong and keep believing that one day, I along as thousands of fans will be proud and happy to be apart of something great... Soon I hope.
So Johnny, Do what you have to. As of now you have my support as a Browns player. You and only you can earn the respect from the people who Coach you, play next to you and sign your check. How I feel has no effect on your career.
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