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I'll jump in later. The good teacher observes, and let's discussion happen.

why wouldn't you consider it a terrorist attack?

huh....cause we seem to deem a lot of these terrorist acts on this board before any information is known.

i'm not fighting with you, just pointing that out.

and what does showering have to do with anything? are you implying that this is another mental health problem?

Nutcase shoots somebody. Put him away.

trying to find the link, but thats what the protest are over right now. not sure if it was minnesota or somewhere else, but some dude, or kid had a knife walking around from the cops, got popped.

i guess my point is, how many times are we gonna use this mental health excuse? why can't this loser just be a bad person?

How come the first conclusion by many, before facts are even released, for white guys to end up being mentally ill, and not considered a terroist, thug, or whatever else term is used these days.

That's my concern.

How come the first conclusion by many, before facts are even released, for white guys to end up being mentally ill, and not considered a terroist, thug, or whatever else term is used these days.

That's my concern.

My personal definition of an act of terror is:
"any violent act that is designed to inflict harm upon or incite fear in a large group."

Under that definition, this was most certainly an act of terror no different than Paris, Columbine, Beirut or Sandy Hook. I draw no distinction whatsoever. And 'mental illness' or not, some acts are just pure evil.

This... 'person' is a terrorist, pure and simple. I don't care what his motivation was. I don't care if he left some manifesto explaining the whys and wherefores.

For years, I was 100% opposed to the concept of the death penalty. Now- not so much. In cases such as these I have neither the desire nor the inclination to rehabilitate this piece of human detritus. Same with Tsarnaev or that murderous piece of filth in Charleston.

If ever there was a justification for the death penalty, it's cases like these.

Mass murder and violent acts like these have no place in proper society... and neither do those who carry them out.


Terrorist?
You bet.
...a 'home grown' one.
The day he is executed, the world will experience 'addition by subtraction.'


.02

If it is true the shooter is Christian, how many of you are going to stand up and denounce his actions as you believe People of the Muslim faith should be doing more of? Take your time, I'll wait.

How come the first conclusion by many, before facts are even released, for white guys to end up being mentally ill, and not considered a terroist, thug, or whatever else term is used these days.

That's my concern.

I'm not sure this warrants an answer. I'll give it, but you guys are smart and I hear this compliant a lot. This isn't whitey just being self-serving, there are obvious differences and we aren't just pandering to our tribe.

Shooting up a planned parenthood thing he could indeed be a terrorist.

Terrorists make political statements and are general part of a movement or group. Isolated actors making terrorist decisions are very rare and we don't usually consider them terrorists. The exception to this rule is usually guys like in OKC or the Unibomber having odd anti-federal or anarcho-primitivist beliefs. Terrorism is usually measured by its credibility / political effectiveness and not it's intent.

This guy might be a terrorist. But there currently isn't a terrorism movement to shoot up planned parenthoods, so it isn't exactly the same as most terrorism. While this may be an act of terrorism, there is no movement he is a part of to in act violence, so he will be considered a lone nut.

The Elliot Rogers guy had some pick up artist manifesto or something. He had his own rhetoric and it was considered gender terrorism by some people. He was not part of some larger movement and this is why he is largely considered a lone nut.

I'm not an expert on inner city violence. But from what I've heard there are these things called gangs. They are really violent and often deal drugs. Thugs are sometimes part of gangs, but often are more part of a general societal trend towards criminality. Once again similar to terrorism we are talking about a trend in society we use to label someone with. Being a thug is a stereotype that fits many people well who commit a lot of crimes. To be clear there are also white thugs.

Neo-nazi's and biker gangs were often the white version of this kind of stuff. They are less politically motivated and usually more racially motivated so it is usually labeled as a hate group rather than a terrorism group. Back during the civil rights era and before I could see these groups being called terrorists because they had political motives.

The dude who shot up the news crew a while back wasn't called a thug or a terrorist and yet he was black. He was called mentally ill / pissed off about being fired. Because he wasn't a part of either of those cultures / groups / ideologies. He was a lone nut.

People are considered mentally ill if they are not part of a larger movement or group. Being a terrorist or a thug is being part of a culture of violence. These lone nuts are often influenced by rhetoric about something, but they are not part of a larger movement of violence and crime.

[quote=RocketOptimist]How come the first conclusion by many, before facts are even released, for white guys to end up being mentally ill, and not considered a terroist, thug, or whatever else term is used these days.

That's my concern.

[quote]Take your time, I'll wait./quote]

Being a punk is beneath you. If this guy has all his marbles and did what he did 'in the name of Jesus' that would be (and will be) one thing when we know what his motives are.

Given what some muslims have done here (granted the number has been small, but those 'few' have changed the face of the ENTIRE WORLD haven't they?) why wouldn't we be afraid of what they might do HERE?

I denounce this loser! Happy now?

If he is proven to be a muslim what are you going to do:/ I seriously don't get your point here:/

My personal definition of an act of terror is:
"any violent act that is designed to inflict harm upon or incite fear in a large group."

Under that definition, this was most certainly an act of terror no different than Paris, Columbine, Beirut or Sandy Hook. I draw no distinction whatsoever. And 'mental illness' or not, some acts are just pure evil.

This... 'person' is a terrorist, pure and simple. I don't care what his motivation was. I don't care if he left some manifesto explaining the whys and wherefores.

For years, I was 100% opposed to the concept of the death penalty. Now- not so much. In cases such as these I have neither the desire nor the inclination to rehabilitate this piece of human detritus. Same with Tsarnaev or that murderous piece of filth in Charleston.

If ever there was a justification for the death penalty, it's cases like these.

Mass murder and violent acts like these have no place in proper society... and neither do those who carry them out.


Terrorist?
You bet.
...a 'home grown' one.
The day he is executed, the world will experience 'addition by subtraction.'


.02

[quote=MrTed]


Mr Ted,
Because I like you and we go way back to the original board I'm going to show you more respect than you have shown me. A killer is a killer regardless of his origin or religion. The problem I see in this country/world is there are different rules for different people. The point I'm trying to make is, go back and read the threads. People seem to be more upset about Muslim killers in foreign lands than Christian killers in this one. As long as the Christian doesn't use faith as their reason to kill, it's not the same thing as a Muslim who does? Why? In the end what does it matter how if the result is the same?

f it is true the shooter is Christian, how many of you are going to stand up and denounce his actions as you believe People of the Muslim faith should be doing more of? Take your time, I'll wait.

Why aren't you swish and clem expressing outrage over the 9 year old boy that got lured into an alley and shot in the head because he was related to a gang member?

Why aren't you swish and clem expressing outrage over the 9 year old boy that got lured into an alley and shot in the head because he was related to a gang member?