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Does not need to be illegal to be mentally ill, it is a treatable condition covered under ObamaCare.
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When the political climate intentionally enrages people against one another, they are as much to blame as anyone. We see it on this very board a lot.
Things aren't discussed. People point fingers and place blame on anyone who feels differently than themselves. As long as the tone and the rhetoric keeps flaming the angst of Americans against one another, expect such things to continue and probably get worse.
For anyone who feels that political and religious beliefs were not behind this act, you are in denial. This was obviously a right wing terrorist act. Just like every other abortion doctor murder in this nation. People who wish not to label it a terrorist act do not wish to label people with similar beliefs a terrorist.
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It needs to be illegal to get them into the hospitals. Generally those suffering don't recognize it and voluntarily walk in asking for help. Since it's not currently illegal unless they are a threat to someone else or themselves no one is going to do anything.
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How can we stop mentally ill people from getting powerful weapons? Put them in asylums where they can get the help they need to return to society and where society can be protected from them until they are well again. To do that you would need to make being mentally ill illegal. It kind of is already. Funding for the mentally ill has been cut and most end up in jail or on the streets. But they end up in county and get more abused instead of a hospital where they can get help. So is the answer to the crazies getting powerful firearms as Rock likes to put it..open the asylums back up?? serious question. I don't think too many homeless are walking the streets with AR's so it doesn't really answer that question it's just where the conversation took us.
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I understand..I was actually waiting on Rock to answer it..Hell he still wont answer what I asked him to earlier in this thread.
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For anyone who feels that political and religious beliefs were not behind this act, you are in denial. This was obviously a right wing terrorist act. Just like every other abortion doctor murder in this nation. People who wish not to label it a terrorist act do not wish to label people with similar beliefs a terrorist. Not in denial..just wanted facts before the labeling began. Not right wing anything..Unless you know something I don't at this point. I am on vacation and couldve missed updated news on this. I don't believe in partial birth abortion..but I do agree with a womans right to abort. According to some on this board I'm probably thought as an extremist, radical right wing conservative..when in reality Ive voted both parties quite a bit actually. And don't label ANYTHING till I am informed. Will I guess at a situation..sure. But don't label or spout off conjecture till its proven. Hope your having a good day Pit:)
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While police haven't released a possible motive or said whether the clinic was the intended target, law enforcement sources told ABC News that Dear, 57, made rambling comments during the incident, some of which suggested animosity toward the health care provider. They said the Justice Department is building a domestic terrorism case against Dear, though it would only move forward if somehow the state capital case was sidetracked. Dear also allegedly made statements about President Obama during or after the incident that were concerning enough that he now has the attention of the U.S. Secret Service, which has dispatched agents to evaluate the remarks and possibly interview him, law enforcement sources told ABC News. http://abcnews.go.com/US/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-robert-dear-court/story?id=35488013
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Since he's registered as a female voter, maybe he's really a she (transgender terrorist) and had an abortion go wrong at a PP once?
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why wouldn't you consider it a terrorist attack? White guy with a gun, shooting at a women's health care provider and stating it was because he hated abortions, in an environment that's been on fire with heated rhetoric against a woman's right? No way it's terrorism.  It's always going to be mental health, because it's the one and only possible explanation. You mean a white guy that's registered to vote as an 'unaffiliated female'? The pro-life group in the area has never seen this guy before. This guy wound himself up. He's been arrested in the past for animal cruelty, peeping tom, and pushing his wife out a window. Neighbors have stated the guy is incoherent when they attempted to speak to him. Sounds like a nut job to me. A nut job TERRORIST!!!! It looks like the new narrative is to label everything terror.
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Since he's registered as a female voter, maybe he's really a she (transgender terrorist) and had an abortion go wrong at a PP once? Sound like what Pit would consider a Right Winger!
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Since he's registered as a female voter, maybe he's really a she (transgender terrorist) and had an abortion go wrong at a PP once? Or maybe if he was an Arab muslim..would the justice department be pursing a domestic terrorism case?? Above is a joke so calm down anyone one 'triggered' by the above comment.
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Scrolled through the thread a bit, pretty much no surprises... you trying to spin the mental illness crap is exactly why i'm heated. you're still doing it. having read a bit of what his family and people who know him have said, he might have mental illness... that doesn't change anything. why are we not crying over black on black crime?
because when daquan shoots tyrone, daquan goes to jail. the justice system seems to work perfectly fine then. Seems to me you are making the argument better suited for a cop shooting thread... what white guys that have done anything like this have not gone to jail if caught? Or did pretty much everybody not WANT to go to jail? when whites do a mass shootings, its a mental illness, when minorities shoot somebody, it's "oh he was in a gang" and all that crap. then we get called every name in the book, including savages, animals, barbarians. and i love the occasional "go back to africa" post i constantly see on social media. If a black guy walked into a place, started babbling incoherently, then started shooting people he did not know... then I will be perfectly happy to consider the possibility that he has a mental illness... If Daquan shoots through the window of a rival gang members house, killing his 9 year old sister, then I'm much less likely to consider mental illness as a contributing factor. It's all about the nature of the crime, it's not about the color of the shooter. when a black person commits a crime or shooting, society wants this guy in jail or executed instantly.
when a white guy does it, JUST LIKE IN THIS THREAD, it's "oh, we don't know all the facts, yet" The guy will go to jail, hopefully he's executed but I doubt it. As far as determining motive, we do not have all of the facts yet, but we caught the guy, and I think I speak for everybody when I say, he should never see the light of day again... Wanting to capture and punish the shooter is one thing, wanting to determine motive and understand the crime is another.
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Since he's registered as a female voter, maybe he's really a she (transjenner terrorist) and had an abortion go wrong at a PP once? I fixed it for myself.
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I don't believe in partial birth abortion..but I do agree with a womans right to abort. According to some on this board I'm probably thought as an extremist, radical right wing conservative..when in reality Ive voted both parties quite a bit actually. An extremist in my view is someone who acts out in their beliefs in an illegal or violent manner to enforce their views. Not someone who states or feels passionately about their views. I get labeled as a liberal a lot even though I have voted for both parties so I understand. While I'm against abortion on a personal level, it is the law of the land. And don't label ANYTHING till I am informed. Will I guess at a situation..sure. But don't label or spout off conjecture till its proven. Actually with what he's said about Obama and his alleged statement on abortion during the attack, I feel fairly confident in my opinion. Hope your having a good day Pit:) I'm having a great day! I hope you are as well.
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[quote=MrTed] Take your time, I'll wait./quote]
Being a punk is beneath you. If this guy has all his marbles and did what he did 'in the name of Jesus' that would be (and will be) one thing when we know what his motives are.
Given what some muslims have done here (granted the number has been small, but those 'few' have changed the face of the ENTIRE WORLD haven't they?) why wouldn't we be afraid of what they might do HERE?
I denounce this loser! Happy now?
Mr Ted, Because I like you and we go way back to the original board I'm going to show you more respect than you have shown me. A killer is a killer regardless of his origin or religion. The problem I see in this country/world is there are different rules for different people. The point I'm trying to make is, go back and read the threads. People seem to be more upset about Muslim killers in foreign lands than Christian killers in this one. As long as the Christian doesn't use faith as their reason to kill, it's not the same thing as a Muslim who does? Why? In the end what does it matter how if the result is the same? Your statement set me off because I don't see what you're seeing here at all. Looked like you were just trolling to me. You obviously don't know what a real christian is because a real one doesn't use their faith as an excuse to kill-a fake one will. There are no teachings in the New Testament that endorse killing. No guidelines for rules of war or anything of the sort. The koran actually endorses killing of non muslims. Why are the killers here 'christian'? Because they're 'here'? Location Location Location? Hardly qualifies as a christian. Do you suppose the amount of complaining about muslims doing what they do 'over there' out does what white nut jobs do over here because a) they are trying to get over here and b)THERE ARE SO MANY MORE OF THEM DOING THIS THAT THEY MAKE THE NEWS MORE OFTEN? and c)they are trying to get over here? I don't know the mental state of this last guy other than what I've heard in the news and sorry, but the majority of white shooters in the recent past have been genuinely several fries short of a happy meal. Why aren't you swish and clem expressing outrage over the 9 year old boy that got lured into an alley and shot in the head because he was related to a gang member? Maybe we can even get weiner to post a picture of him when he was younger and more innocent looking! Kinda like he did when he posted a picture of 14 year old Trayvon Martin rather than what he actually looked like when he got shot! (notice: this is a condemnation of thread trolling, crap titles and in the case of the aforementioned picture outright deception, not an endorsement of George Zimmerman [and no I don't want to open that back up]) way back on the original board. By the way-I like you too, but your 'don't worry I'll wait' comment was uncalled for. You're not schooling anyone or furthering the discussion. Not sure why you're taking this personally or why you resorted to name calling. When my Father died in 2007 some of the kindest words I recall reading on th old board were from you. That being said, I'm going to give you some time before I respond to your post with facts, and with out emotion. May God bless you and your family. I took it personally because of your, 'If it is true the shooter is Christian, how many of you are going to stand up and denounce his actions as you believe People of the Muslim faith should be doing more of? Take your time, I'll wait.' comment was seriously out of place, like I said, you're neither schooling anyone or furthering the discussion. I didn't call you a punk, I said it was beneath you and yes I do feel like that was a punk statement. Just trolling looking for a fight. Why even ask it, and aren't we told from the president down to you & swish that these aren't real muslims that are in alqaeda and isis? That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Regarding your dad, are you sure that was me? I thought I wasn't on the original board until fall of '08. Whatever the case, hope you're doing well. Putting this all behind me. Didn't want to get into a fight in this thread and I did anyway.
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Maybe everyone should just calm down and admit the conservatives are ON FIRE!! and ENRAGED!! because this guy's a TERRORIST!!!So let's let them alone or they may get mentally ill. 
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Maybe everyone should just calm down and admit the conservatives are ON FIRE!! and ENRAGED!! because this guy's a TERRORIST!!!So let's let them alone or they may get mentally ill. NINJA post.. Dude there are places that can help you with your delusions and incoherent ramblings..PLEASE go there and get help. Are you a paid shill for the left? to post the insane crap you post? or just a false flag operative.. Pleas stay away from firearms and any planned parenthoods. I'm really beginning to think your the one that is unstable..seriously get help. Going back to Patron and try to forget your stupid ass posts..I hope that' s possible. You do a real disservice to people who lean left with your bullcrap posts   
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Maybe everyone should just calm down and admit the conservatives are ON FIRE!! and ENRAGED!! because this guy's a TERRORIST!!!So let's let them alone or they may get mentally ill. NINJA post.. Dude there are places that can help you with your delusions and incoherent ramblings..PLEASE go there and get help. Are you a paid shill for the left? to post the insane crap you post? or just a false flag operative.. Pleas stay away from firearms and any planned parenthoods. I'm really beginning to think your the one that is unstable..seriously get help. Going back to Patron and try to forget your stupid ass posts..I hope that' s possible. You do a real disservice to people who lean left with your bullcrap posts Wait till you say something about personal responsibility and he tells you you just want to control people and keep them down!
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Maybe everyone should just calm down and admit the conservatives are ON FIRE!! and ENRAGED!! because this guy's a TERRORIST!!!So let's let them alone or they may get mentally ill. Do you realize you are a part of the problem?
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No idea why liberals are making this guy out to be some political hitman for pro-life extremists.
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Thank you for your response. It was well thought out.
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Thank you for your response. It was well thought out. Thanks DC. I appreciate the comment, it is hard sometimes typing out thoughtful responses knowing my snarky comments often get more responses and discussion. I enjoyed your post a lot as well. I'm going to work a little bit more on being less of a jerk in my posts. The reality is even though I disagree with some views, I do understand where people are coming from. None of us here are idiots, our disagreements are usually pretty minor and often get obscured. If we all lay off the extremes and insults there is usually a lot of common ground.
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I can assure you, the condolences were from you. But, perhaps I'm reading more into an act of kindness than I should. I look upon it as a display of strength/compassion for one of the hardest times of my life. But maybe you read into my restraint as a sign of weakness? Like you the last thing I'm looking for is an argument. All I want to do is level the playing field. What's even more strange to me is the statement wasn't directed at you personally. So why get upset at all? How is that furthering the conversation?
The point of all this is when we put people in groups, we want other people of said group who have nothing to do with the subject at hand "denounce" a person they have never met. This in my opinion does nothing to solve the root problem. We all have individual thought and are responsible for our own actions. Period.
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No problem. I think one of the big problems is when we equivocate..
A cop kills a black kid and we immediately bring up, "Well, what about black on black crime?"
Or when a white dude goes nuts like this we argue about the definition of a "terrorist"....
I guess on one level, semantics matter.. on the other hand, they seem to keep us from actually discussing the event we should be discussing.
We have black on black crime.
We have cops on black aggressiveness and crime.
We have people (mostly white dudes) committing mass, random, killings.
they are all bad, but the circumstances that surround them and cause them.. are completely different. So dragging them into the same conversation just seems counterproductive.
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Maybe everyone should just calm down and admit the conservatives are ON FIRE!! and ENRAGED!! because this guy's a TERRORIST!!!So let's let them alone or they may get mentally ill. NINJA post.. Dude there are places that can help you with your delusions and incoherent ramblings..PLEASE go there and get help. Are you a paid shill for the left? to post the insane crap you post? or just a false flag operative.. Pleas stay away from firearms and any planned parenthoods. I'm really beginning to think your the one that is unstable..seriously get help. Going back to Patron and try to forget your stupid ass posts..I hope that' s possible. You do a real disservice to people who lean left with your bullcrap posts Wait till you say something about personal responsibility and he tells you you just want to control people and keep them down! Seriously, you guys are going a little BALLISTIC!!!Maybe because my random shots are closer to the mark. 
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Yeah maybe because your posts sound like they are from someone who lives on another planet...hey wait is that your pic in your avatar? Well holy sheep s...I think it is. Where going BALLISTIC??? Do you read what you write..maybe what we have said which isnt random at all..your posts random...hit the mark. You sound like a loon and I stand behind what I said. Your off and need help..just like the other moonbats I mentioned in previous post in this thread. Maybe you was one of they type of folks I said I moved to get away from..and I'm in aqn echochamber Optimist  To what you said and your other post i shouldve saved my breath and just posted
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Yeah maybe because your posts sound like they are from someone who lives on another planet...hey wait is that your pic in your avatar? Well holy sheep s...I think it is. Where going BALLISTIC??? Do you read what you write..maybe what we have said which isnt random at all..your posts random...hit the mark. You sound like a loon and I stand behind what I said. Your off and need help..just like the other moonbats I mentioned in previous post in this thread. Maybe you was one of they type of folks I said I moved to get away from..and I'm in aqn echochamber Optimist To what you said and your other post i shouldve saved my breath and just posted Calm down!!
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And since you never answered what I asked you twice..in this thread..tells me all I need to know about you and youre either some troll sitting behind a keyboard getting his jollies off on what you post.
OR you are a paid shill...and like I said do a real disservice to people who lean left.
Hit the mark, Jesus if u was aiming for Lake Erie your shot freaking hit and landed in the Gulf Coast.
Think Im done with you..your not honest. and your weird postings leave nothing to be desired..I know I know..i'm to slow to get you..am a radical such and such and YOU are the only smart one in the room.
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Yep dealing with a deflector and a mentally incapable..sorry I don't usually pick on mental midgets..calm down?? yep Done with you..I won't respond to you anymore. Get help it is available..troller of posts
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And since you never answered what I asked you twice..in this thread..tells me all I need to know about you and youre either some troll sitting behind a keyboard getting his jollies off on what you post.
OR you are a paid shill...and like I said do a real disservice to people who lean left.
Hit the mark, Jesus if u was aiming for Lake Erie your shot freaking hit and landed in the Gulf Coast.
Think Im done with you..your not honest. and your weird postings leave nothing to be desired..I know I know..i'm to slow to get you..am a radical such and such and YOU are the only smart one in the room.
Yep think i'm done with the crazy moonbats. FB,,,do you honestly think this thread was going anywhere after the first few responses? I'm not sure where or when you think I started calling you names and even though I don't agree with your posts I don't discount there value. You should really read through the thread, evaluate your own responses and then, CALM DOWN!!!!. 
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And since you never answered what I asked you twice..in this thread..tells me all I need to know about you and youre either some troll sitting behind a keyboard getting his jollies off on what you post.
OR you are a paid shill...and like I said do a real disservice to people who lean left.
Hit the mark, Jesus if u was aiming for Lake Erie your shot freaking hit and landed in the Gulf Coast.
Think Im done with you..your not honest. and your weird postings leave nothing to be desired..I know I know..i'm to slow to get you..am a radical such and such and YOU are the only smart one in the room.
Yep think i'm done with the crazy moonbats. FB,,,do you honestly think this thread was going anywhere after the first few responses? I'm not sure where or when you think I started calling you names and even though I don't agree with your posts I don't discount there value. You should really read through the thread, evaluate your own responses and then, CALM DOWN!!!!. You got your last jab in you win yippeee for you... Couldn't be more calm if the nurse gave me a double shot a Valium. Don't worry I'm done with you you win. Name calling?? its the very reason i responded, name calling and playing off as just making a comment and saying OH look it hit the mark. And no was not calling names just stating what I know I'm dealing with. done with you.
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just want to say one thing. i think Erik is full of crap. he constantly crying about people and their sources, yet didn't bother to ask where Ted Cruz got his source from with regards to the transgender comment. no major new source reported it, and come to find out, where Cruz got his source from is this: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/...ifies-as-woman/which major news outlets like washington post and http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/11/29/3726311/ted-cruz-planned-parenthood-shooting-transgendered/have already debunked. the gateway pundit, a right wing website, also tried to spin this as a bank robbery gone wrong. so i just want to point out how gullible Erik is, how he likes to clown people, even though he falls for everything hook, line, and sinker. the guy is constantly falling for chain email news reporting. it's sad that people like 40 back him up on this nonsense. every. single time. Erik is a fraud. stop letting this guy complain about your sources, when he does zero fact checking himself and believes anything that comes from back wood news sites. aight i'm out.
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ter·ror·ism
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the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
not only did he say "no more baby parts" but was handing out anti-obama pamphlets at his trailer.
he fits the definition of a terrorist. there you have it. anybody who thought this wasn't terrorism, please be quiet. stop coming up with your own definitions of terms.
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Swish I have love for ya..I think you know that..and thanks not including FBHO71 in your post of the blind followers..that said/
All I asked for was information to come out..facts of what this guy was about..not guesses or pure conjecture..but just straight facts.
but look at this definition and tell me it didnt apply BEFORE we knew his intentions.
Noun: nutcase 'nút,keys
Someone deranged and possibly dangerous
- crazy [N. Amer], loony, looney, weirdo, headcase
Noun: nut case
A whimsically eccentric person
- crackpot, crank, nut, fruitcake, screwball
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Full Definition of TERROR
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: a state of intense fear
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a : one that inspires fear : scourge
b : a frightening aspect
c : a cause of anxiety : worry
d : an appalling person or thing; especially : brat
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: reign of terror
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: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) (shootings)committed by groups or person in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands
Did he end up being a terrorist..well I guess how one wants to interpret words sure.
And I also stated before I KNEW his reasons..idc what the reasons for doing it was/are he should be put to death.
I'm leaving soon won't be able to respond..but man don't get so caught up in word games..it can get tedious with people saying he is this no no he is that.
Well I hope he just ends up dead..being in Colorado I doubt he will but lets see.
glad ur back posting on this side..I knew u wouldnt be gone long...
off topic..why you not post in the your first car thread cuz??
I was looking forward to your post..what's up with that maaan?
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Let's see, what exactly did I say:
"You mean a white guy that's registered to vote as an 'unaffiliated female'? The pro-life group in the area has never seen this guy before. This guy wound himself up. He's been arrested in the past for animal cruelty, peeping tom, and pushing his wife out a window. Neighbors have stated the guy is incoherent when they attempted to speak to him. Sounds like a nut job to me."
Even your article says:
"None of the people interviewed about Dear had anything to say about his gender identity. Nothing about his appearance nor any past reports of his identity suggests that he identifies as a woman. The voter registration form identifying him as female is the only discrepancy, making it most likely a typo and nothing more."
I never said anything about 'transgender' or anything else of the sort. I guess you have a habit of reading into posts as much as you do into news articles. The only thing I said is that very little is known of this guy, and what I had posted was all that was known at the time. I also never mentioned Cruz.
It seems to me we've identified who the real fraud is here. Speaking of backwoods news sites, you do know thinkprogress is a severly liberal leaning Soros funded site through the Center for American Progress?
Speaking of crap, maybe it's time you cleaned out your bong. It seems to be affecting your mind.
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yeah I usually file thinkprogress right along with THEBLAZE as sites ill read but take with a big ol grain of salt.
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glad ur back posting on this side..I knew u wouldnt be gone long... It's just his time of the month again.
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I'm the one that mentioned transgender and I thought it was completely clear it was a joke.
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