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I want the best Skill Position player, regardless of position, at every pick..

I want a future HoFer with every pick or the GM should be tarred and feather tbqh.

Playing with the FanSpeak site again;

TRADES
TRADE PARTNER: TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

SENT:
• ROUND: 1 PICK: 3
RECEIVED:
• ROUND: 1 PICK: 14
• ROUND: 2 PICK: 14
• ROUND: 3 PICK: 14
• ROUND: 4 PICK: 14

TRADE PARTNER: ST. LOUIS RAMS
SENT:
• ROUND: 2 PICK: 14
RECEIVED:
• ROUND: 2 PICK: 19
• ROUND: 4 PICK: 7

14: R1P14 WR LAQUON TREADWELL OLE MISS
34: R2P3 DE SHILIQUE CALHOUN MICHIGAN STATE
50: R2P19 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
66: R3P3 OLB JOSHUA PERRY OHIO STATE
77: R3P14 QB CARDALE JONES OHIO STATE
98: R4P3 TE EVAN ENGRAM OLE MISS
102: R4P7 CB DESMOND KING IOWA
109: R4P14 WR TRAVIN DURAL LSU
130: R5P3 OT JOE HAEG NORTH DAKOTA STATE
160: R6P3 ILB ANTONIO MORRISON FLORIDA
192: R7P3 C JACK ALLEN MICHIGAN STATE

Treadwell kind of reminds me of Dez Bryant, but not anywhere near the same type of headache. If he runs a low 4.4 I'd spend a very high pick on him.

I dont think I ever want another RB from Alabama..

Henry looks like a man among boys out there. Who knows?

I don't think there's any way he lasts until pick 50. JMO.

Eddie Lacy has done pretty well the past couple weeks.

I don't either, but he was there, so I grabbed him. For that matter I don't think many of those I drafted would really be there at the point I took them.

Richardson looked similar in College too

Richardson was more the exception than the norm.

I have read those saying don't trade down citing, in particular, the forfeit of Julio Jones. I disagree. If we need a QB, than take the best available. If not, we have so many needs I would rather maximize the number of picks in the first 3 rounds. If, for example, we draft 3rd, and we can get a team in the 10-12 range to give us their 1st, 2nd & 3rd to get Paxton or Bosa, that would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. We could even trade back up for 2 1st round picks and retain a 2nd and 3rd. Of course the picks have to be good, but we can fill more holes that way.

Trading back is often the best strategy, especially if you can get a future first round pick. Some fans don't like it because we have botched it every time we've done it. Good process, bad results.

Thanks 15, and I agree with you that, if we don't trade back and we don't take a QB, Jaylon Smith is my favorite.

I love Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack. Both are beasts.

You don't trade down if there is a real game changer available when you draft.

Having a couple of "pretty good" players is not equal to having one real game changer.

If you make the right pick you will get a game changer.

But who can divine whom that will be? Haven't there been can't-miss 1st rounders that missed? and others who projected as 2nd rounders who ended up being game changers? It's all a calculated crap shot. To me, the more high round picks you get, the better chance you have of hitting.

Bingo.

Honestly it doesn't matter how many picks you have. If you're GM can draft he can find a stud with 1 pick or multiple picks. It doesn't matter. He can find guys in later rounds or UDFAs.

I agree. But again, it's still a calculated crap shot. You do your research, you interview, evaluate and compare; you reduce the variables as much as you can. But in the end, it's a gamble.

In 2014, Odell Beckham was the 12th pick, the 3rd WR taken, yet he is arguably the best (so far) player taken in that draft. Rob Gronkowski was taken in the 2nd round, 42nd player overall, in the 2010 draft. NE got that pick in a series of trades that started with a trade down. For that matter, NE are masters at draft pick trading. They always start in the lower 1/3 of the draft, and accumulate more picks by trading down, then combining picks to move up, and restock one of the best teams in football, year after year.

No way. I didn't buy Curry at all. I think Gallery was probably the best example of can't miss / huge bust. Funny, because people (including me) lauded that pick by the Raiders as an uncharacteristically smart move by them... and they trashed them for taking DHB in the first as a classic "Al Davis" pick. DHB is surprisingly still in the league and productive while Gallery is long gone. Go figure.

If we're just talking Oline, how about Tony Mandarich, drafted #2 by Green Bay in 1989?

I have been thinking about our 1st round pick. If we decide that Manziel is not the Qb of the future then we will take our top rated Qb with that pick and then trade Manziel during the draft.

However, if we decide that Manziel is going to be the guy then things get more complicated. Qb is out in this scenario.

What would be my wish list with this pick. Assuming that we stay with a 3-4, my player of choice would be a big, strong fast OLB that can set the edge vs the run game yet is also a talented pass rusher. I think this player would by far have the greatest impact on our team but in the immediate future and in the long term plans. Problem is, I don't see that player in this draft. I looked at Ogbah from Okie St and Shaq lawson from Clemson. I think both are destined for 4-3 DE and really, their stats have been pretty good but watching the cutups vs their toughest opponents and I wasn't impressed. I wanted to like Leonard Floyd of Georgia but watched the Alabama game and saw nothing from him. I looked at the other LB's and again left unimpressed by Miles Jack UCLA, Reggie Ragland Alabama and Scooby Wright Arizona. The best Lb in this draft is Jaylon Smith ND. He will be pretty good but he is no Patrick Willis as someone compared him to. He is not a "top 5 talent". I don't include Joey Bosa here because I don't think he can play Lb in the NFL. The wild card might be Su'a Cravens. I haven't had a chance to watch him but he is a little small for a 3-4 Olb. From what i here about him, I wonder if a creative defensive coordinator could turn him into a Troy Palomalu. Of course we don't have that DC.

Now that I have eliminated the position I was hoping for, who is the best player in this draft regardless of position? In my opinion that would be Laremy Tunsil. The pluses for taking him are that we would be taking the best player in the draft. We would also be getting our left tackle of the future. Unfortunately for this selection, we have JT. If our front office talks with Joe and he isn't planning to retire in the next couple years then essentially we are drafting a RT that will someday convert to LT. We wouldn't really be improving our depth because Swartz will probably be gone.

What are our other options? Joey Bosa. A possibility. I think that he is a little overrated but certainly worth a top 5 pick talent wise. 2 questions. Do we play a 3-4 scheme that maximizes the ability of 3-4 DE's? I don't know. Do our DE's fail to produce because of lack of talent or because of scheme? Some 3-4 schemes maximize the importance on the DE's whereas others minimize. I don't know which we run. Next question is, will he be available? If we have the #1 pick, of course. If we have the #3 pick, I doubt it. #2, is a maybe.

Any other options? Wr, Rb, TE? None

Cb or S or Cb/S? There are several possible considerations. I haven't gotten around to scouting any of these players but to go top 5 they would need to be something special. In my opinion, the best way to neutralize a passing game is by getting pressure on the Qb. With todays rules, Cb is not as impactful a position as it once was. I think a ballhawking safety is much more valuable.

Any others? Billings DT Baylor, Robinson DT/DE Alabama, Buckner DT/DE Oregon, Nkemdiche DT/DE Mississippi? Any of the other DT/DE players that I am not bothering to mention? Eh. Stanley OT ND? Same arguments against him as against Tunsil.

So would you take Tunsil?
Is Bosa the pick of choice if available?
What if he isn't available?

Looking like a good year for a trade down if the opportunity presents itself.

I would appreciate any feedback on these thought. I haven't had a chance to follow the prospects like in years past. Up until a couple days ago, I hadn't bothered to scout anybody but the Qb's.

You would like Jaelen Ramsay of FSU

Hargeaves Florida, Ramsey FSU, White LSU and Kearse Clemson are on my list of Db's to review next. Along with Cravens.

Again, I question how much impact a Cb can make in todays NFL.

If we do not go QB then the pick has to be Pass Rusher or WR.

I like Joey Bosa but if we stay 3-4 can he play OLB? As a 4-3 DE I think he can be a real disruptive force but I just do not know if he has the speed to play OLB.

AShaun Robertson would be an interesting pick as a 3-4 DE. He is 320 lbs. and can stuff the run but he also provides a good pass rush for Bama. Could really help the team defense in 2 areas of concern. Improve the run defense on early downs and then move inside on passing downs to provide an inside pass rush.

The best OLB pass rusher is Leonard Floyd of Georgia. But he will not be considered a top 5 pick.

Laquon Treadwell is a WR I would consider. He is a big receiver that runs good routes, catches the ball with his hands, and is very physical runner with the ball. He is not a speed burner but, he makes circus catches down the field. I see him as a more dynamic Miles Austin. If Gordon makes it back, Benjamin resignes, with Barnidge, Duke Johnson, and Treadwell the passing game could be lethal next season.

Those would be my choices for our 1st pick.

I don't know why Bosa couldn't play the 3-4. He's certainly athletic and tall enough to cover most TE's and RB's. I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform.

A'Shawn Robinson looks really good. I usually suggest not drafting Bama players, as they're pretty well coached up, but I think he would be amazing here. Either as a NT or a DE.

Jaylon Smith is a monster. He's also really young. I wouldn't be upset spending a pick on him.


Hopefully we can trade Manziel for a 1st or 2nd though.

This is one of the reasons, I think, we should be considering trade offers for our first round pick. If there is no clear cut top 5 guy that matches our team, why not trade back a few picks and pick up a 2nd + .

I really like LB Jaylon Smith, if we take a position player in the top 5, he's my choice. I also like CB Hargreaves and WR Treadwell. If we are going to take a QB, I like Lynch, but recognize he would need time. I didn't like Goff when I first saw him against Utah (5 picks), but really liked him against Stanford. I think of Cook as vanilla, don't think he'll be exceptional, but pretty sure he'll be good.

If Bosa can play Olb in a 3-4 then he would be my top choice. He is 6'5 285#. Does he have the agility for the position? I don't know. Has anyone seen him try to cover a TE or RB while at OSU?

Of course that is assuming that he is available when we pick. He very well might be the #1 overall pick.

I like Treadwell. Loved him last year before the injury. I think he lost some speed with that leg injury. Will it improve? I don't see the separation this year that I saw last year. I do love how he goes up and fights for the ball. He always seems to come down with any contested pass/jump ball thrown his way. I project him to be a very good but not elite Wr. His pro comparison to me is Anquan Boldin.

The Wr that I love is Corey Coleman - Baylor. Dude looks uncoverable. Fast, strong and tough. I see Steve Smith when I watch him but I think faster and quicker than Smith. Reminds me of Antonio Brown as well. I am hoping we draft him with our top of the 2nd round pick.

I don't disagree. This draft is rich with DE and OLB, and the step down from Bosa to Buckner/Lawson/Ogbah/Calhoun/Bullard/Allen is not that great. At ILB (where Smith plays at ND) there's Smith and Ragland, then a couple of 2nd tier players for a thin position in this draft. Likewise there is a wealth of good to very good WR. Last year we drafted Shelton to consume blockers in the middle, open lanes for the ILB. Our best ILB is 34 y/o Dansby. I think Smith projects better than Dansby who would be a great role model for Smith. If we draft Smith, there will be DE/OLB available in the 2nd, and WR available in the 3rd.

Smith is a monster, at a position that's tough to fill. Drafting him both addresses a position of need and selects one of the best football players in this draft.

We'll be lucky to get a 4th.

I'll take that too. But I think Manziel Mania still exists... Somewhere.

Does anyone on here know Jerry Jones? If so can you get him away from his son for a few hours, get him real drunk, and I'll work on whoever is running the Browns to give him a call.

St. Patricks Day seems like the perfect day.

So would I.

https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/678733565987688448

How can we screw this up? A giant cheating scandal and our first pick gets taken like the Patriots?

I'm not sure anyone cares if you cheat...and lose.

We'd deserve to lose our entire draft if all these bozos could accomplish was 3 wins despite cheating.

The 12/9 Drafttek mock draft has the Browns taking Goff with the 2nd pick, and the Redskins taking Smith with the 14th. Following is the paragraph explaining the pick;

"Every great defense has, or had, a stud middle linebacker running the show. From Jack Lambert and Mike Singletary to Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher to Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly, the NFL has seen a few transcendent talents change the culture of a defense from the inside out. As any Redskin fan witnessed on Monday Night Football against the Cowboys, a linebacker like Sean Lee can single-handedly take over a game on defense. Jaylon Smith has a chance to be one of these talents. Smith can play with his hand in the dirt and rush the passer, he can diagnose the run as quickly as anyone on the field, and he can cover receivers and tight ends like a safety. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah stated of the Notre Dame linebacker, 'The player he reminds me of is Patrick Willis just in terms of sheer explosiveness,' and I'm quite certain any Redskin fan would jump for joy at the prospect of inserting Patrick Willis 2.0 into the middle of a young and surging Redskin defense."


That describes, very well, why I think Smith should be the Browns 1st round target.