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OK, I won't debate the pro's and con's of that, but who would perform the evaluating and hiring of a new GM? Haslam? You may perhaps be on the right track, but I believe before that, we need a John Elway-type (CEO or what ever title) to make these decisions. Oh, and you seem to be right-on to the W/L record...

I have developed the opinion that the problem isn’t the bombing of the FO that kills a team but the bombing of the locker room that follows that seals the fate of those that come in with the idea that they are going to fix it by bombing it.

I also contend that continuity comes in many forms and as we have moved from one nightmare to the next we always THINK that the fix is around the corner and believe that bombing it will fix it, and it never does.

I think Text is the heart of the problem I really do but how much of that is a byproduct of Haslam? I mean you hear things but unless you’re a fly on the wall you have no way to know for certain. In that respect we are all firing from the hip.

But I digress I started out talking about bombing and didn’t finish that thought. We changed out players and failed to retain players without the main goal to making such moves in mind. What is that you asked to build, and that’s where we swing and miss every time. I even see fans talking re-build NOW. In other words bomb the locker room again, and that’s the problem and nobody seemingly recognizes that.

Look no farther then this past off season for examples. We nearly changed out the entire D Line and you have to ask WHY? And we have to conclude that, that was what caused a part of the regression. We didn’t build in other words and I am NOT saying don’t get rid of or change out bad players, but to change out players that are B grade players with players that are B grade players in reality sets you back because you don’t have that on field continuity, and in essence all you have done is insure regression #1 and #2 made change for changes sake, and that’s the mistake. You didn’t make the team better by these moves you just made them different and that’s the heart of the problem.

The words have to be build and not rebuild. Change out B grade players for A grade players NOT so you can make the roster over. We had some pretty good young talent and over the course of the past 2 off seasons we have replaced that young talent with older higher priced B grade talent when we should have been keeping the B grade guys and rolled them out as we had and could replace them with A grade talent I contend change for changes sake in the lock room is the most damaging by product of firings. The commitment for change has to be to build, not to make it over in the GM”s or HC’s image that’s what kills building and most of you IMO have totaling missed it.

Text has made the team over into his and I assume Haslam’s and Pet’s image instead of building on the young talent we did have here at one time it was blown up the process is set to continue this off season as well, and that is what needs to change.
Look at and think about the list of young players that have gone thru here in the past 2 seasons. Then think in terms of regression and continuity. I contend and believe with all my heart and soul that most of you are dead wrong about how or why it’s broken.

I don’t think most if any of you have thought this thru I really don’t. The reason I don’t think any of you have thought it thru is the same reason I thought we were headed in the direction we were this off season. While most of you are angry about what you believe to be regression on the part of the team and the staff if I go back a few short months ago you all were crying about how negative I was along with a few others. BTW my prediction for the season was 2-14 I was laughed at and ridiculed, and let’s be honest here most of you have gone from one extreme to the other, love em and now hate em.

In reality these guys went for the short cut fix instead of allowing the young talent we had to improve and actually build some continuity into the team we have been steadily blowing it up ever since Text and Pet arrived. And you struggle to recognize the true problem.

If I’m Haslam I fire Text and Pet is on a short leash. I STOP letting the young talent we have here leave and I begin to build. The problem is change for changes sake and whomever you replace Text with has to be committed to building not dismantling.

If you all want to truly know what is wrong then there is your answer Text has done a tremendous amount of damage during his short time here. He has taken this roster which WAS young and growing together and changed it out for older higher priced players and you can look for yourself it isn’t one bit better on any level and that’s why he must go. But his replacement MUST be committed to incremental improvement NOT wholesale change in the locker room that’s the mistake that was made that’s why we never get ahead.

JTHFacts

My apologies for reposting this but hopefully this sparks some deep thought around here...Now that would be different right......... hahaha

That's what leads me to Text, and in defense of Text I really wonder is this ALL Text or is it Haslam??? Don't know which leads me to what Mac said, and in that regard I will give a solid I don't know. If Haslam is the culprit then we are screwed.

--I don't think firing Farmer and Pet and replacing them w/two more so-called "up-and-comers" will solve anything. In fact, it might make matters worse.

--I think it's Saban or bust. I choose Saban because of the following reasons:

Case for keeping them:

Personnel: Dansby, Whittner, Hawkins, Hartline, Starks, T Williams. yeah like everything there were some misses - Bowe and Housler?

Gilbert and Manziel: Manziel is still the best Franchise QB prospect we have had. Gilbert a major disappointment.

Bitonio a stud, Kirsey, Amonty Bryant? Gabriel,K'wan Williams like this years draft, Irving...we won't have many picks next draft we will reap the rewards. The kid will be good once established at one position where he can get comfortable.

Shelton playing all season a good NFL conditioning and returning in a system should have him better.

We have a foundation.

OK, I won't debate the pro's and con's of that, but who would perform the evaluating and hiring of a new GM? Haslam? You may perhaps be on the right track, but I believe before that, we need a John Elway-type (CEO or what ever title) to make these decisions. Oh, and you seem to be right-on to the W/L record...

The position group was already a strength, they panicked because Mack can opt out.

Dansby I could have played along with because DQ was getting a bit long in the tooth but I said it then and I will say it now, why didn’t we add to the pile instead of just changing it?

Keep DQ and add Dansby now that’s a good move but Dansby for DQ, nope sorry didn’t help and I knew it wouldn’t. I put this in the change for change, or B for B.

A position of strength, how so? Mack went down last year and the OL deteriorated. Sure starters were fine, but second layer sucked. If they didn't draft Erving and as you say already a position of strength, who are you playing as backup on the OL?

If Mack and Schwartz sign elsewhere next year, what is your plan to replace maintaining this position of strength? If you are the GM and you don't have Erving, how are you negotiating new contracts with both Mack and Schwartz, or for that matter, any good OL free agent? Is the plan to draft both a C and RT in 2016?

3.4 ypc this year. 3.6 last year. people act like we had a running game last year. the difference was last year we try torun no matter what. this year don't even try.

To those who think it is the players, There are 16 players left from pre-Farmer.


Bademosi, Johnson
Barnidge, Gary
Benjamin, Travis
Bryant, Armonty
Carder, Tank
Gipson, Tashaun
Greco, John
Haden, Joe
Hughes III, John
Kruger, Paul
Mack, Alex
Mingo, Barkevious
Poyer, Jordan
Robertson, Craig
Schwartz, Mitchell
Thomas, Joe

Roster turnover is a problem.

Mangini 9 wins 32 games, Shurmur 8 wins 32 games, Chud 4 wins 16 games...Pettine 9 wins 27 games.

The case for keeping them

You can't really fault Pettine, he's coaching the players that Farmer is funneling to him from upstairs.

Have you watched the way he manages a game?

Have you watched the way he manages a game?

I just wouldn't say it's all his fault.

i was on the continuity band wagon at the start of this season. I will say, I'm not as much of a diehard continuity fan as some people on this board. I do not believe in keeping everyone year after year for the sake of keeping things stable. You HAVE to hire the right people in order to maintain stability. I don't believe this team has come even close to reaching that goal.

I only wanted to see improvement this year. I could have lived with another losing season if I saw the building of a good foundation. Pettine improving in overseeing coordinators, players, and game management. Players growing into their roles, coaches defining those roles, and coaches playing to the strengths of the players that were drafted and picked up in FA.

Everything I just mentioned was mismanaged, mishandled, and the regression was striking.

I am now on the blow it out of the universe band wagon.

j/c...

Bitonio a stud

There are issues with the roster that is obvious but when you ask for a tough physical team built on running the ball and tough defense and you have camp cupcake and celebrate losses and dare us to find a player not giving effort when you get blown out for the 5th time in the last 6 weeks and this time by a rival at home by 34 freaking points, yea coaching is an issues.