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he's gonna lead us into the ground.

gonna lead us to the most hated country in the entire world.

what trump says, what you support is ILLEGAL.

it's sad coming from you, as you like to cry about the constitution all the time.

but i expect nothing less from anybody who's a republican. Bigotry, racist, and intolerant.

the few that are good get called RINO's.

it's sad that the GOP has gotten more and more extreme, yet thats considered the norm now? far right is considered normal? and center right is considered a RINO?

Nazi.

was you laughing when our economy tanked in 2008?

it was funny, wasn't it.

now your boys running for office wanna continue, and stur up even more wars in the middle east.

what do you think got us into this mess in the first place? or at least a big reason?

and you wanna vote the same people in that will tank our economy again?

yea, thats comical to me, too.

Swish I find it amazing that you think this socialist is a republican =) It's just hilarious. I vote for democrat, republican, and independents. I have no party affiliation whatsoever but nice try =)

your post says otherwise.

i find it funny on this board that people try so hard to deny what they actually are.


it reminds me of when, i think it was Erik or Y Town a few months ago, tried to say they wasn't republicans.

yet everything they post is that of a republican.

middle east hates us no matter what we do anyways because we are just infidels anyways. I could give a rats arse what they think or feel. To me people who treat women and little girls the way they do are less than human anyways.

I have always claimed to be an independant at best or else I call myself a conservative socialist. My post back that up quite well.

I don't back bernie because his economics are nuts even if I agree with him on making college free. He is also just too old IMHO. I do like him a good bit though as I said before. He is the only democrat that can give trump a decent fight. Still at the end of the day he is just too far from the middle I think.

Hillary has done so many evil things in office that its just sickening.

I don't support a democrat candidate for president because they don't have a decent candidate. I mean they got nothing at all worthwhile to vote for. Just one extremist or another even more extreme one.

I feel that when you put trump's showboating aside most of his real views are very moderate in tone.

Neither party has some perfect candidate that I am in love with though. Trump is just the most fun =)

Razor is right, you are funny at times.

Trump suggests nothing illegal or against the Constitution.

The GOP presidential candidate on Monday called for a “total and complete shutdown” of Muslims entering the United States, including immigrants, tourists and even Muslims who are U.S. citizens and travel abroad. His plan to bar U.S. citizens drew particular ire from legal experts, some of whom fumbled for words as they tried to explain its illegality, since none had considered the matter before.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...3288_story.html

not allowing US citizens back in?

last time i checked, that's illegal.

and more people saying it's illegal

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-ban-muslims-totally-illegal/

it's funny how you and other cry about obama not following the rules, then turn around and support a guy who isn't gonna follow the rules.

what's that called again? oh yea, a hypocrite.

Drink all you want from the Libby trough, you only lie to yourself.

He does not propose stopping US citizens from traveling here. That would be unConstitutional and he knows it.

Stop relying on talking heads from the media and look up what Trump says himself. Not what they say he says or means. It is the grown up thing to do.

i watched it live. then i watched it again.

he is toxic, and what he proposes is illegal.

you like him. thats fine.

but don't every cry about the constitution or what is legal ever again. you're proving that you don't really care about it.

Oh bullcrap. the economy collapsed because of the housing bubble which was started long before Bush and not a single democrat had a problem with it... when the democrats in congress had low income people in their districts qualifying for and buying houses and moving up to bigger houses without the income to support it, every democrat in government was parading around their districts bragging about this great homeowership initiative they were a part of... then it collapsed and suddenly the whole thing was Bush's fault.

And I'm curious how Obama saved the economy? His big economy saver was supposed to be fixing healthcare so costs would stabilize or go down to save people money (hasn't happened) and to grow billions of "green jobs" (also hasn't happened) and to raise taxes on the rich (3rd thing that hasn't happened)... so nothing he said he was going to do to save the economy has happened, yet somehow he saved the economy... The only thing he did was print money at record breaking levels.... If I gave the swish family a $2 million loan, the swish family economy would look really good and y'all would be living well.. until it had to be paid back. That's how Obama saved the economy.

Sometimes people need to realize that the economy moves up and down regardless of what the President does... He is the quintessential quarterback, gets all of the credit when things are good, gets all of the blame when things are bad, most of which are out of his control.

I have been listening to him too. If he was against the Constitution, I would not even give him a listen.
You don't like him and that is a plus for him in my mind but stop making Nazi's out of Molehills.

please, one of the big reasons was the massive amount of debt we was going into paying for these wars.

sure, the housing bubble had a big play, but that had nothing to do with Ford GM and AIG tanking, as well as other businesses.

you can choose to try and rewrite history all you want. the facts are the facts.

and here are the facts: under bush, we had a collapse and recession. under obama, or economy is recovering.

have a good day.

Dc talks truth while you talk feelings.

Try looking up Dodd/Frank.

i talk truth too.

you talk illegal, please stay out of grown adult conversations, please.

Look up Dodd/Frank.

i already have. i already know.

i'm saying thats not the only reason we sucked in 2008-2009.

when you're ready to understand that not everything is one sided, then you can come off punishment from the kiddy table and join the adult table.

Good, you looked it up! Now you are educated and no longer dreaming. I feel like a Papa watching his child's first steps, son.

AIG failed largely because it moved away from it's primary business of insurance and had a ton of money tied up in asset backed securities.. most of the asset backed securities were backed by home mortgages... mortgages started failing at a rapid rate. Please explain to me how the housing bubble and AIG were not connected.


I'm glad you can see things as that black and white, must make life easier... not realistic, but easier.

connected so much they still had the money to give their executives massive bonuses?

to me, btw, all 3 of them should've failed. failed failed failed.

i don't see everything as black in white, but i see cause and effect.

it's realistic, and easier.

Uh, that would be Black and White, son.

lol

I don't remember ford failing. Did I miss something? Or did you mean chrysler?

AIG failing? When congress changes the laws in home lending to "don't sweat it. No need to verify income, credit score, ability to repay" etc.......yup, things go down hill pretty quick.

GM and Chrysler failed in large part due to legacy costs from crappy union contracts during some really good years.

In fact, didn't GM offer the UAW hundreds of millions of dollars in order to take over the legacy costs? (I don't know the exact dollar amount so forgive me if I'm wrong on the "hundreds of millions") But the uaw said "nope, we ain't touching that."

Ford tanked hard. At one point, their stock was down to like 24 cents per share.
They recovered without going Chapter 11 or needing a Gov't bailout, however.


I don't think that it was GM that bought off the UAW; I'm pretty sure that was Obama, actually.... along with "Cash for Clunkers". The Feds were printing money by the truckload and throwing it at anything to do with the auto industry - and it didn't fix a damned thing with GM.

OH!

I thought you said falling.

Okay on Ford. I did some work for a guy that borrowed a couple hundred thousand from his mom and bought ford stock, now that you mentioned it. Needless to say, he doesn't work anymore.

I'm still thinking GM tried to pay the uaw to take over the legacy costs, though. And I might not be terming that correctly.

I think that *technically* GM paid the UAW, BUT, they did it with federal bailout money.

There were a lot of people with dirt on their hands so don't think I was absolving anybody of responsibility for their part in everything that got screwed up, democrats and republicans, business people, all had their part to play.. going back probably 15 or 20 years...

which is why I took exception to your simplistic comment that Bush/bad, Obama/good...


I don't disagree with that.


Then what was the cause of the collapse in 2008? and what was the effect? Because both go WAY beyond anything Bush and Obama did or didn't do.

You seem to have a better memory of me, but the economy under Bush was actually pretty solid for nearly all of his presidency, up until that last year with the bubble.

I know people joked about the $600 checks that got sent out and the left said he was stupid for it because it was only $600. But they failed to realize that it wasn't about the actual money. It was about the psychology of the American people and instilling a sense of confidence.

George Bush is 100x the leader Obama has ever been. It's why 80% of the military would rather serve under Bush than Obama. Obama constantly gets his lunch money taken by world leaders, yet Bush managed to find allies in most every action we took and HE's the idiot? Please. I didn't agree with everything Bush did while in office, but I sure as heck respected the man more than the current resident on PA Ave.

???? that's not what i experienced. at all.

Regardless of Bush v Obama, how can you explain tax breaks while funding 2 wars is in measure a good fiscal policy?

Comparing the News and experience of others to what you have told us about the middle east does not seem to fit your "experience" either.

how so?

i seem to remember a lot of soldiers hating bush.

make no mistake, regardless if it's right or wrong, a lot of soldiers want to deploy not because of terrorism, but because we make almost twice as much money in the desert than in garrison.

theres ton of soldiers who were deploying just to get away from their wives, or because they were drowning in debt.

during the initial push, yea....but toward the middle and end of the wars? so many wanted to deploy for that reason alone. thats why a lot were mad at obama, because he was ending the wars, which was a graving train for cash.


if you want to buy into the propaganda, then go ahead. you don't have to listen to me, or hell Victor for that matter.

but it seems like you choose to ignore what him and i post all the time, so do others, so i dunno why i even bother half the time.

So why didn't you ever tell us that your beloved Turkey was allowing ISIS oil and money to move through its borders?

Why not mention that most of ISIS's money comes through Turkey?

Why not mention that Turkey has just sent troops and planes across the border into Iraq and took up positions outside Mosul?

Iraq is screaming and the US has asked them to leave but they say No!

What gives here?

because you're under the assumption that i know everything the Turkish government does.

you don't even know everything our OWN government is involved in. yet i'm suppose to know every shady thing a country i don't actively live in does?

and what does that have to do with anything i just posted prior to this?

I've been on record saying i don't agree with what Turkey does with a lot of situations, yet you're trying to hold me accountable like i was a turkish soldier or something.

I personally enjoy Turkish coffee and cigarettes.

why city or village did you go to?

All is good now that you admit you are not the Middle East Expert you have claimed to be.

We move on.

and yet, still more american than you.

Weirdly I got them from a Turkish guy who had a restaurant when I lived in Thailand. No idea what part of Turkey he was from. Had a Kebab shop and little coffee shop down in Phuket.

The Americanized versions of both are pretty decent, not quite the same though. Camel sells some turkish blend cigarettes that are alright. You can get pretty decent Turkish coffee in a lot of coffee shops around here.