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I'm not certain, but there are two things I can come up with.

1) First, I don't think the people who make these huge rankings boards with 1000 players all year long watch all the players they are ranking. I think he wasn't on these scouting services preseason watch lists because he was a junior, so I think you're seeing a bunch of guys scrambling to slot him somewhere. When he declared, CBS initially put him at something crazy like 180. Now they've moved him up around 145 or something like that.

2) He really doesn't make a lot of tackles for a guy who is on the field a lot. That's my one complaint about him. Athletically and size-wise he is terrific and he has good sack production. I noticed him all over the place last season. For some reason he completely vanished in the Richmond game this year. I recorded that game back in September and just finally got a chance to watch it. Not just no sacks, but didn't really get any pressures. Obviously that improved a ton as he had very consistent sack production throughout the season after that. But with pass rushers really lacking in this draft, I agree with you that he will probably end up a top 40 pick.

JMO.

I haven't seen Brown play and I was bummed when I realized I didn't set my DVR to record their game yesterday. But at his size, I really struggle seeing how he can duplicate any success in the NFL. If he was that size and put up the numbers he did in the B1G or the SEC where they have huge linemen then I'd be more optimistic... but like I said I haven't watched him. Even Eric Striker, who is just a little bigger, is probably going to have to be a 4-3 WLB in the NFL even though he plays on a totally different level than most guys he's on the field with in the Big XII as a 3-4 OLB.

JMO.

How is Bosa not a dominant pass rusher?

There is a MLB/ILB being talked about in terms of Ray Lewis.... if he holds up to that, you take him at the top of the draft and don't blink an eye about it.

Depends on your scheme. Jaylon Smith *could* be like Ray Lewis. If you run a Tampa 2, Myles Jack would be a monster ala Derrick Brooks.

He played safe this year. But last year he was dominant and then some.

Like Clowney (who most people hated)?

We have had some good debates over the years. I remember our first one. The TRich draft. We disagree, but it's respectful.

I think Bosa will be an even better pass rusher in the NFL than he is in college. NFL teams won't be able to put as many guys on him.

I think Lawson is a beast. He plays w/great leverage. Think the Joe Thomas on the defensive side.

Spense is a freaking freak. If he interviews well and doesn't get into any more trouble, he might surpass everyone. He is the most gifted pass rusher I have seen since Miller.

I think all three of these guys dust the top qb prospects.

Bosa has produced. He's been a dominant in run defense even if he doesn't have the stats he did last year in sacks.

Did he compare Bosa to Clowney?

Clowney is a lazy, selfish bum. He has even more talent than Bosa, but he is a turd. I know people who know him.

Bosa does not coast, sit-out, fall asleep in meetings, dog it, refuse to condition, etc, etc like Clowney did.

Terrible comparison.

I didn't know asking questions was against board rules.

Good to know. If Bosa is as good as people say he is (I don't watch many Ohio State games), then shouldn't the Titans take him first overall?

Who are the other candidates to go first overall?

Ole Miss LT Tunsil is a legitimate top of the draft OLman. That's one...

The Titans already have Taylor Lewan, so left tackle wouldn't really make sense.

Taylor Lewan, the LT of the Titans, has been in hot water this entire season. He even lost his position as captain. They have a bunch of line problems that could be fixed with position switches if they do get a new LT. They'd be moronic to not take Tunsil.

Oh. I didn't know about Lewan's problems.

Hopefully. If you had a better working knowledge of the Titans than the Buckeyes, I'd have to question you, and your PACaganda, much more seriously

Steve

I do not think Scooby will make it to the third. He just is all over the field.

Yeah he probably shouldn't. My fantasizing justification for that is CBS's rankings along with Mel Kiper saying he'd be a third rounder.

Who is Spense? 1st name and college please.I haven't come acrost his name before.

Noah Spense. Former Buckeye. Got kicked off the team for rolling too much Molly. He's at EKU now and still dominating.

I think he turned his life around. Although I think it's either Bosa or Spense. I'm not sure if I could trust both of them alone together given their penchant for ecstasy together.

It's Noah Spence and after failing 2 drug tests the Big Ten permanently banned him so he transferred to Eastern Kentucky. Here is a story about his addiction to "ecstasy".

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...comeback-102015

Thanks for catching me

CHS and 66, that's for the catch me up. Not sure how that totally slipped past my radar. I'm a buckeye fan too.

Just a sign of how talented our team is. If it makes you feel any better, I'll probably always refer to him as Evan because of Evan Spencer. I need people like 66 to help me.

Sorry about that. Thanks to CHS and 66 for clarifying.

He's probably down the list of pass rushers because of his past issues. However, if he is clean.............he has more burst than any other guy coming out. He absolutely explodes off the ball. I think he will make an excellent pass rusher in the NFL......if he is clean.

Woulda been nice to have had Spence on OSUs team the last couple of years. Him, Bosa, Bennett and Washington would have done illegal things to opponents offensive lines last year.

If he had stayed away from drugs he would probably be ranked as one of the top 5 players in this up coming draft. His only concern other then the drugs is that he needs to get a little stronger at taking on blockers. If he's truly clean I would love to get him with the our 2nd rnd pick.

I agree with you guys that he may be the best pass rusher in the class, but with our history with Gordon and with Manziel, I don't see how we can take him. For all the criticisms the team has gotten for taking those guys despite their histories, how could we draft Spence?

It sounds like all of them, besides Manziel, who hasn't been punished, have all taken their punishments seriously. Crowell is also another Bad News Brown, but he's also been fine here*. Being on the defensive side also creates a natural barrier between Spense and the others.

*Off the field

Thoughts on Laquon Treadwell:


Strengths:
+ Elite ball skills (Best ability)
+ Extremely physical blocker
+ Great after the catch
+ Is a 4.5 guy, but has great burst and agility
+ Almost impossible to press
+ Plays strong, tough kid
+ Hands catcher

Weaknesses
- Below average route runner (Biggest Issue)
- Not a deep threat
- Suffered a gruesome injury in 2014
- Drops some passes he should catch


Reminds me of Des Bryant without the personality issues. He's not afraid to do the dirty work. Doesn't complain, never heard him of him being a lockeroom cancer. Just don't expect him to blow defenses deep.

Not sure if both are true, but that would be hard to overcome in the NFL.

Haven't seen enough to comment on his route running ability but I believe he can be a deep threat. He doesn't have blazing speed, true. However, it is my belief that he is still recovering from that leg injury. If he continues to heal and gets back to pre-injury form then he will be just fine. I saw enough of him pre-injury to be very impressed. If he hadn't been injured I think he would have come out in last year's draft. Right up to the injury, he was my top rated Wr. The only question in my mind is, will he continue to heal or has that injury one permanent damage?

Thanks. I have not followed the guy.

I just know that having those particular weaknesses would be too much to overcome regarding a career in the NFL.

Not really. Most WR's can't run a basic route tree when they step into the NFL. Route running is overrated in the draft. I've seen good players get passed over because they're young and naturally can't run a route tree. I've seen players get overdrafted because of their route running ability. In 3 years, when the WR has had time to develop, it's no longer a problem. Coming out of college, route running is a problem based on lack of experience, not based on lack of skill/talent.

I really wish one of you's College Draft Guru's would sell me on one of the QB;s coming out this year .. I'm talking about at like 1 through 5 in the first round .

You and I have never agreed about the importance of route running. I will leave it at that because I sure as heck don't wanna go through what happened last time we discussed this topic.

Also, my point was that candy said his route running was poor and he wasn't a deep threat. Bad combo.

But again, I don't know if both those things are true and I will evaluate the guy when I have some time.