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I'm tired of hearing about it too. It's so petty and I don't flippin care.

Matthew Stafford of the Detroit Lions was the first overall pick in the 2009 draft. Prior to the draft, photos of him emerged on the internet of him partying it up at Talladega Speedway. The photos show him lifting kegs and hanging out with girls from the University of Georgia’s (Stafford’s alma mater) rival school, Auburn. These photos and Stafford’s reputation of being a party boy were definitely a mark on him before the draft. Even so, his level of talent still allowed him to be the number one overall selection. The Lions made a good choice. To this day, Stafford has not been involved in any off the field incidents.

http://www.therichest.com/sports/football-sports/the-nfls-10-biggest-party-animals/?view=all


When you hang out with Dr. Dre, more than likely you know how to let loose. San Francisco 49ers’ quarterback Colin Kaepernick has many photos of him at parties all over the internet. He is currently in the middle of a police investigation involving an incident at a hotel party in Miami. Kaepernick and two other NFL players have been cited by Miami police as suspects. Kaepernick denies the allegations. So far, no charges have been filed and no arrests have been made.

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/03/hard-partying-athletes/derek-jeter

On Lawrence's big day we gave the man his due. But in case you didn't read it here's a quick summary: The man liked coke. The man liked to drink. The man liked hookers. It's not unfair to assume that any time he wasn't on a football field he was indulging in one or all three of those vices. There, all caught up.

The web is full of hearsay and Shockey's a regular on Drunk Athlete. That's pretty well documented. But our favorite Shockey stories revolve around him exiting rehab for getting drunk by the pool and holding an internet contest to have women submit online reasons to date him. We also give him credit for giving us a reason to frequent Craigslist after they axed erotic services.

i can't even post the photos that are online of Eli Manning.

LOL...

no kidding. there was one floating around with a pic of him with permanent marker on his face.

read above about Jeremy Shockey...

and here is one about big ben. Speaking of... look up Casey Hampton.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970050

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Collins
one about Kerry Collins

He finished the 1998 season in New Orleans and signed with the New York Giants as a free agent on February 19, 1999. Not long after signing with New York, Collins decided to seek treatment for his alcoholism. He entered a rehabilitation clinic in Topeka, Kansas.While a member of the New York Giants, Collins remained in therapy for four years.

Joe Namith is another

I think Haslem is missing a perfect marketing opportunity here. He should be printing Johnny's face on the stadium beer cups with a "Have a Drink with Johnny" campaign. A life size stand up of Johnny so the fans can take a selfie with him and a drink. Not only would he sell a boat load of beer, it would be a great "in your face" to the media.

Not ONE of the other athletes mentioned in this thread ever stated that they had enough issues that they needed to go to rehab *coughpublicitystuntcough*.

Why do people STILL not get that this is all about honesty not drinking?? We KNOW lots of pro athletes drink.

I think Johnny is the NEW "Brownoholic"

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you mean like Mickey Mantle?

false.

Jeremy Shockey and Kerry Collins were both examples I gave.

Meh... I know how much I drank when I was 23.

I'm not sure... I'm not him.

I wonder if he went to rehab the first time as a excuse as to why he was so bad his first year (reccomended by his agent) vs needing to actually go.


can you imagine how depressed you would be if you played for the worst NFL football team in teh past 16 years?

I'd drink like a fish

I've heard the argument about how Manziel should be allowed to do what he wants in his free time, and the Browns need to stop micro-managing him, but man oh man, why is it so hard for him to avoid ending up all over the internet in these videos? You have money, just politely tell or pay people NOT TO RECORD YOU!!!! Holy smokes. I'm not sure why it's so hard, there are over 1,700 other players in the NFL that seem to be able to avoid it.

It might be a harmless video, I haven't seen it, and drinking on Christmas eve isn't a big deal, but if the company paying you millions of dollars has asked you multiple times to tone it down, you should really try to tone it down.

Why is this news again? He is an adult, he is allowed to drink. Could do without the video but whatever, could care less as long as he handles himself on the field.

in his defense... he did tone it down.

There were no giant inflatable geese and he wasn't at a club. He was home.

The media wants outrage over these videos. I don't care. It's so stupid. It's beyond hilarious the way the media drums this up.

I'm more concerned about him progressing and continuing to develop. He needs to be better with his timing on passes. He left quite a few plays on the field Sunday. It happens, he's young.

I hate the way the media refuses to talk about developing him as a young QB, but instead continues to grease the skids for him to get the hell out.

Whether or not you like the guy, the focal point should be football. Seriously who cares about some stupid video of him at home. If you are outraged over that, it's because, once again, you didn't like him in the first place.

j/c

Question, since I don't know much. John spent roughly 10 weeks in re-hab. We don't know what for, though, for certain.

Is it possible he was in rehab for something other than alcohol? He certainly doesn't have a problem with videoing himself, or allowing others to video him, drinking.

Actually, not "is it possible", more, "is it probable" he was in rehab for something other than alcohol?

Yes. We don't know why he was in there, and he isn't required to disclose that. The team is also not allowed to. That's why none of that has been leaked. Serious repercussions for that..

I don't know what he went in for, or more importantly, what his program is. He may or may not be allowed to drink. There's no handbook on it. It's patient to patient.. To assume is bad.

Considering there was a picture of him in Vegas with a rolled up dollar bill, he may be in for something serious like cocaine... And it's quite possible that part of his program doesn't prohibit alcohol.

We don't know though, because it's not our business. Like I said, I'm more concerned about him getting better and developing. I'd love to see him put in the work to prepare for off season stuff, and training camp this summer.

It brings up an interesting question though...

I don't care about him drinking at home with his friends or out partying, whatever, we've all been there. (Driving recklessly and lying to your coach, throwing things at fans et al, those are concerning.) But what you said above is that as long as he's continuing to develop and progressing it doesn't matter. It does matter if it's constant doesn't it?

I mean when does he study? When does he just let his body relax and heal up? When is he working on his footwork and throwing mechanics?

Again, going out and partying or better yet, staying home and doing so is fine, but if you're doing it ALL the time then that becomes a physical barrier to improvement in that you don't get enough sleep and you're not at your best, even the day after a hangover.

I certainly don't like Manziel the player and the person rubs me the wrong way but for the team's sake I want him to prove me wrong and I just don't see how that's possible when it appears that he's partying every second he's not under a coach's watchful eye...

How long was the video? I don't think you should take a 1 or 2 minute video and assume that was him all night...

I do find it funny that people were ripping him for being at the Cavs game last week... Never mind that his head coach was there too. It's beyond hilarious at this point.

I want him to put the extra work in, but people assume because a short video comes out that he isn't studying, or working. He seems prepared in these games. He has a lot to work on, but I think he's hanging in there, especially since his offensive lineman are getting blown up every other play and he's having to use his athleticism to create a play...

I wish people would just focus on football, and to be honest, there's a ton to focus on! He has so much room for improvement. There's plenty of conversation, yet every time I flip on a local show or read something, it's always some hot-taker giving his tired old take about how he doesn't like Johnny because he's not a 4 time super bowl winner like Brady..

By the way, there's plenty of drunk pics out there of Eli Manning and Roethlisburger, who have both won multiple super bowls.

People want a finished product at QB 8 starts in, but nobody wants to sit back and let a QB develop. We gave Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy more time than Manziel.

You defended the rapist, Eric Wright.

You defended Leon, who partied all the time, fell asleep in meetings, missed practices, was late for practices, cussed-out coaches, called out Brown's fans, etc.

You defended Josh Gordon who was actually caught breaking the rules more times than we can even count. Heck, you even called for the NFL Comish to be fired because he was so mean to poor Josh.

Yet, you continue to blow "legal" activities out of proportion.

The question is why?

Seriously, how can you defend a rapist and a guy who has been been kicked out of two colleges and suspended multiple times for doing illegal things and rip on JM for doing things that are legal?

Me thinks you are full of crap!

Because this nonsense sells magazines and creates clicks. That's why.

Signed,

The Media

My point is that his development is in question if he's getting his drink on at every opportunity. He could be the next Joe Montana if he wasn't constantly fighting off hangovers...

Constantly fighting off hangovers?

Are you there everyday? How do you know this?

j/c

Step 1: place a big basket at the front door
Step 2; Insist that every guest drop their phones into the basket
Step 3: Pay a big, angry guy to guard that basket like it's Fort Knox

Results:

1. What happens at Johnny's stays at Johnny's
2. No more TMZ fodder. None.


Easy peasy.

I don't see JM's drinking a big deal. If he's using the negative publicity to force Haslam's hand to leave Cleveland, I admire his genius! I'm sure none of this would be a big deal in Dallas. While he's wearing that Star on the side of his helmet winning more games while Cleveland continues to bottom feed, I'm sure the media will spin this situation as the Browns handcuffing him.

Sammy Watkins we took Gilbert instead

That won't work. Folks will take his money and stab him in the back just for laughs. It's what 'little people' do to make themselves bigger in their own pathetic, nondescript lives. Let's forget the photos of him with other celebs... a good number of his most embarrassing 'photodumps' have been from nobodies in public places with cell phones. He can't control that. Not ever.

See my earlier post for a solution that actually works.

If I'm JM, I stop taking ANY chances with this stupid recurring stuff. I put my publicly-viewed life on total lock-down for 24 months. Control everything that gets out. No vids. No selfies. Party at home. Use a professional driver to get me places.

24 months. I don't even have to stop partying. I just need to stop being seen partying. 2 years of respectable QB'ing, and I'll be 25. My 'youthful transgressions' will be behind me, and nobody will care about a pic with me and friends celebrating a first-round playoff bye after Week 16. The media will have moved on to someone else long before I've come out of hiding.

That's what I'd do. Why do I say this? Because that's pretty much what I did when I was 23. Saved my freakkin' life, I'm convinced of it. I started the process when I was 22, after this went down:

After 2 or 3 semi-public screwups and 'close calls,' I was (yet again) heading out to some "friend's" place. We were gonna hook up and go to some other 'friends' places, and- you know how nights like this go. I was grabbing an address from my pocket phone book (remember those?) and heading for my keys. I found My Pops holding them. He stared at the little book in my hand, and said: "Don't you think it's time you looked hard at that thing- and started 'cleaning house?' It stinks in there."

Then he handed me my keys. And turned his back to me.
Had a lousy night of partying, and came home early. My heart just wasn't in it that night.

Pops was dead 4 months later.

It took me a couple more months after that to wean myself from the night life, but I really did take my game private. I never really missed it. After that, it was increasingly easy to 'clean house' closer to home. Reduced a 'pocket rolodex' (remember them?) and pics in the local 'nightlife rags' (remember them?) to 5 bros and their ladies. Together, we got control of My Life.

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I'm not saying that Johnny Manziel needs to suffer a catastrophic tragedy in his life to start making changes. Not at all. Matter of fact, it wasn't My Pops' death that set my change in motion... it was that message he dropped on me while he was holding my car keys. I actually heard it that night. He didn't yell or browbeat... he just hit me with the truth about myself- and a massive dose of 'common sense.' Nowhere to run/nowhere to hide.

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Manziel's biggest hurdle in life is that he still hasn't "met My Pops."

There's gotta be someone out there who can fill that role in his life. 23 year-olds still need guidance from supportive adults of true substance. I'm not sure his Pops was ever the kind of dude who raised me. Case in point: My Pops didn't bribe me with a new car to stay sober, but he did stand at my side when I signed the loan for the first car I ever bought- with my own hard-earned money as down-payment. If JM's Pops ain't the man, someone else needs to be.


I want to see this kid succeed. I really do.

1. Because I'm a Browns fan, and if he succeeds, the team succeeds.
2. More importantly: I want to see him succeed in life- as a person. I want to enjoy watching him mature, find his manhood, and maybe even become a feature on "America's Game: Johnny Manziel."

...because I find stories like that much more compelling than flame-out Ryan Leaf/Art Schlichter/Justin Blackmon-type dumpster fires. I derive no joy whatsoever in seeing someone fail to dodge the same bullet that was aimed at me.


just sayin'...

I think your dad and my dad would've been really, really good friends.

And I agree that John needs some adult figure, that has authority in his life, to step in and set the kid straight.

Party all you want. In the off season. Remember why you went to rehab - and we don't know why - but he knows why. Don't let whatever it was ruin you John.

It's time someone that he respects (not his dad) says "here's the deal......". Screw it up, it's on you.

That's a strong possibility, arch. We're their boys... and we do alright.




It's all about "wake-up calls"... and finding the right person to set off the alarm clock.

ALL these young men need it. Some already have it, some found it. But ALL OF THEM need it.

What bothers me the most about his video's is the kid can't rap. Geez just give it up Johnny. It's to hear that crap coming out of your mouth when you really suck at it

I was thinking he should shave too. I mean damn dude, if you can't grow it don't show it.

Even the Cleveland media has refused to pile on this one. Guys that hate Manziel.

That's how over the top it has gotten.

Typical Vers....making crap up and calling someone a rapist. Name calling is your fetish, though. Still, it's funny you bashed Heckert for not keeping him after he signed with Tampa. Now, you turn it around. Typical Versatile Dog.

Remember when you defended his "Dad" who had an account on the old board on how bad the Browns treated him??? You defended the "rapist".