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Maybe if his offense wasn't ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league I wouldn't say it. Saw it in Washington, saw it in Cleveland, see it in Atlanta. Scoreboard doesn't lie.

The reference in 'tab's post was good enough for me. And please note that I did state "If true...". (For the record, I have no "Deep Throat" at BellSouth to obtain definitive proof).

Watch out before he accuses you of lying!

I was talking about the name calling.

POS
Scum Bag
Cheater
Liar
Twerp

I think you guys are making crap up. And, I don't care what you say about his abilities.....I know a little bit about offensive football and his schemes and play calling were the best I have seen since we were reborn.

Vers this is what I have read, Thought it seemed alot like what happened here in Cleveland.




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The media and fans are always great judges of things.

Again bro, we have different opinions of the man.

I know we live in a PC world, but you're on one if you think "twerp" is bad. Dude's a twerp. Not anything bad about it. Pettine's a pushover. Bill Belichick is a cheater. John Harbaugh is a donkey's behind. Not saying they can't coach. Just talking about their personality. Shanny's a twerp. No way around it.

Don't complain about people name calling.

Last I check, you was calling our player Gilber as a derogatory term.

He's just a misunderstood kid! Honest! He's a sweet heart! lol

Yes we do, I was asking how you felt about not giving up when every season this team does exactly the same thing..

Last season Peen and myself along with Columbus and the guys we tailgate with was talking, possibly having playoff tixs.

Then we were losing and saying, well they haven't quit.. I feel when your 3-12 there was no go to quit.

And to be so close to a playoff game and can't win to get there and look bad doing it... that's not, not quitting.

I understand, I was replying to Peen that IT seems like there is a love /hate relationship in Atlanta with Shanny and the fans..

I did not state an opinion, just posted an article I read that made me think the statement I made was factual.

Not trying to be rude Vers, but what does Pettine do right?

A derogatory term? How so? I have already explained it.

Well, his team has not quit on him. I would say that is commendable given our record.

I think that he doesn't play favorites. You gotta earn playing time and it doesn't matter where you were drafted or how much money was spent on you in free agency. I think that is huge!!!!

The culture in Cleveland has been terrible for years. Entitlement. Laziness. Losers mentality. He is making guys earn their positions and that is extremely important in regards to changing the losing culture in Cleveland.

You gotta remember, I was probably the first guy criticizing him and got reamed for it. I am not a huge fan of his, but I think those two things and some other smaller things warrant that he should be retained because:

--Continuity is important. Losing a GM does not affect continuity, but losing a HC rips it to hell.

--Having our guys, especially JM, learning an entire new system for the 3rd year in a row would be a detriment.

--Coaches can improve in many areas. LOL......I know this from experience.

--We need someone who is stubborn enough or has enough resolve to not cave into playing guys who have draft or free agent pedigree. I think all players should earn their positions. A lot of coaches talk that crap, but very few follow through on it.

And I didn't take any offense, Candy. You and I disagree on some things, but it's always respectful. Take care.....

I believe that, Only if the new GM keeps the currant coaching staff..

What is the percentage of that being the case ?

No idea and anyone who tells you that they do know is full of crap!

Playing for the guy only does so much.

The players played for Mangini but that doesn't change that fact that he was a trash coach.

Pettine is trash.

I googled.. NFL teams with new GM's that kept Coaching staff..

It said only the Browns change GM's and coaching staff on a consistent basis..Look for the 2 year itch and switch for the promise land on the Lake Erie Shores of the North..

The Browns get their man... Every 2 years.. lol, Just kidding... Got to have a little fun once in awhile.

I think I added other reasons.

And Mangini was a trash coach only in the minds of guys like you.

His w-L record says he's trash.

That's all that matters.

Right.......

Loved those 5 game winning seasons... Woof ! Woof !

But 3 win seasons are better.

Yes they are.. better draft position

He was changing the culture. We had a losing culture. You do remember that, right? I think we won 4 games the year before he got here.

He got rid of the guys that were negative influences. You can't replace all of them in one year, so he brought in older guys who could help change the atmosphere.

Those older guys were not the answer. They were bridges to help change the culture and buy us some time while we upgraded the roster, which would have taken some time.

It amazes me how many people DO NOT GET THAT!

The culture he didn't change was losing.

So in reality, he didn't do anything worth a damn.

I know, I can't believe Holmgren couldn't figure that out.

Not only that, but they knew his system which would allow him to implement it quicker. They were merely 1 or 2 year rentals at best...

What?

Mangini was toast the minute The Big Show was hired. There was no way the two could co-exist.

We had huge battles about it on the old board. I think that we would have been better off w/Mangini. Not many agree w/that. It still amazes me that people rip him more than The Big Show. The Big Show was hardly ever even in Berea. He took multiple vacations DURING the year. He stole from Junior and yet people ignore all that and rip on Mangini who was actually TRYING to change the culture and identity of the team.

I have to admit, I'm grateful for Mangini being the 49'ers DC... Sure made Johnny look good.

Jimmy Haslam speaks with ex-Packers GM Ron Wolf

9:21 PM ET
Jason Wilde




GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Ron Wolf has spoken with Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, but the Pro Football Hall of Fame general manager said Monday evening that the two did not discuss any formal consulting role with the team.


Asked if he has been offered a consulting position by the Browns, the formerGreen Bay Packers GM replied, "Right now, honestly, there is no truth to that. That has taken on a life of its own based on [one] conversation with the Haslams. Nothing has been said. He hasn't asked me, he hasn't told me he wants me to [serve as a consultant]. So there's no truth to it."


It's unclear what, if any, moves the Browns will make in the offseason, though general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine could be on the hot seat as the team enters its final game of the season with a 3-12 record.


Asked what he thought of the idea of consulting with a team, Wolf replied, "I don't dislike that. I'm open to almost anything."


Wolf's son, Eliot, the Packers' director of player personnel, likely will be a prime candidate for a number of potential GM openings this offseason should he pursue them. Wolf said Monday that he will not be involved in any way if the Browns decide to replace Farmer and want to pursue Eliot.


"No, no. That's already come up. I told [Haslam] that that is an entirely different situation. He'd have to do that himself. I would not be a part of it," Wolf said.


Eliot Wolf may choose to stay with the Packers, as he would be a logical candidate to someday take over once 62-year-old GM Ted Thompson retires.


"I would never, ever try to influence him to go someplace," the elder Wolf said. "You just can't do that."


Three years ago, Wolf assisted the Oakland Raiders during their GM search, which ended with the team hiring Reggie McKenzie, one of Wolf's former lieutenants in Green Bay.


Wolf, 76, was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame last summer along with Bill Polian, the former Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis GM who now works as an analyst for ESPN. Wolf and Polian were the first inductees in the newly created contributor category.


Wolf took over the downtrodden Packers in November 1991 and turned the once-proud franchise into a perennial winner again by hiring coach Mike Holmgren, trading for iconic quarterback Brett Favre and signing free agent defensive end Reggie White.


Five former Wolf lieutenants -- Thompson, McKenzie, Seattle's John Schneider, Kansas City's John Dorsey and Washington's Scot McCloughan -- are currently GMs in the league.


After retiring from the Packers in 2001, Wolf has fielded a number of offers to serve as a consultant for various teams and actually worked briefly in that capacity for the Browns in 2004. He was hired by the Browns as a personnel specialist but left four months later after a rift developed between him and then-coach Butch Davis. Wolf later recommended to then-owner Randy Lerner that the Browns hire Holmgren as team president.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/144558..._medium=twitter

I'm just glad Wolf is an old 77 yr old guy with dementia and not a normal NFL lying son of a bitch.

There is a difference between being outplayed, and facing a team that is just plain better than yours is.

The team did not lay down against the Chiefs. They played hard to the end. They did not quit. (and they could have once the Chiefs went out to a 17-3 lead)

Jimmy asked gramps to see if the kid would come here and wolf told him no (you would have to ask for yourself).

Funny how Vers thinks brining in older players to change the culture was the right thing to do, but Pettine and Farmer doing it was a stupid one.

Pretty much what I was going to reply.

This team is not quitting. You can tell by how they are playing. The team quit on Chud, plain and simple. You could tell by how they played.

They are outmatched talent-wise which is the main reason they have 3 wins. The team didn't quit, they are playing the hand that Farmer dealt them.

I want Farmer out. I don't think the team quit on Pet. I don't mind keeping Pet on board. I do think he might need to look at some of his staff. When he was hired he was a little behind the 8 ball in choosing his assistants. He might be able to upgrade a few of the positions this off season.

I'm fine with Pettine staying but I don't think it is a matter of the team not quitting on Pet. I think the players are beginning to feel more energized with Manziel on the field and think they have a better chance at winning football games as they watch him progress. I think that translates to effort more than anything else.

I keep hearing multiple rumors that Eliot Wolf is the front runner and Haslam has spoken to Ron Wolf about some type of consulting gig.