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yeah i'm with you on that one =)

That's true of course. But that doesn't make the decision by Washington to spend that to get him smart and it wouldn't have made us making that trade smart.

I said it then and I'll repeat, it was not a good move that Washington will live to regret and I believe they do.

Also, Schwartz isn't bad, Mingo, I just don't know what's wrong. Richardson and Weeden were dogs with Flees.

Absolutely not a chance.

I like Schwartz a great deal. I have been one of his staunchest supporters, and I truly believe that he is a top 5 RT in the NFL. I sometimes (or often) think that some people expect the RT to be an opposite side LT .... but that is not the case. There aren't enough plus level LT in the league to play LT for 32 teams, let alone enough to also play RT.

Yeah probably true. The Mangini era here put up that huge total of only 10 wins. I think Chip doubled that in the same amount of regular season games as the Eagles HC.

Still they both sunk themselves in power struggles. IMO

Schwartz, ever since last season under Kyle, has done nothing but impress me. I had my doubts about him, but those are and have been wiped away.

Well I'll admit I was wrong about Kelly. I looked up an old thread to see what I had stated here's a screen capture...


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I was wrong in that Kelly didn't last a full three years.

Might not be a comparison but both sunk themselves in a regime power struggle. So you can call it whatever you want. I'll call it a power trip thank you.

I don't see how people think Johnny would do well under Chip. He'd never see the field. If you thought Pettine was heavy-handed with Manziel, how do you think it would go under the Kelly regime?

So glad that we dodged that bullet. I was never a fan of his, at all. Everything about him screamed "flash in the pan" and "14 minutes of fame". All flash, little substance.

They gave Kelly a lot of rope, and he didn't play jump rope, he hung himself; he had some help. But not here thanks.

Chip was hired so late in the period, all while having no working experience with NFL coaches prior to this, that he was severely limited in the hiring process. Their OC and DC both suck.

For as bad as some of you guys are making Chip out to be, he did take over a bad team with a bad quarterback situation and managed to win 26 games in three years. The Browns have won 14 games in that same time.

And yes the Eagles were BAD when he took over. Andy Reid went 4-12 with that team the previous season, and Andy Reid did not forget how to coach (11-5 in his first season with the Chiefs after they went 2-14 the year before).

Chip's big downfalls seemed to be that he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and made some highly questionable personnel moves. That is a guy who should not have final say over the roster and would need a strong front office to succeed in the league.

and that's why i'm starting to think browns fans have no idea what a good HC is.

we wanna defend the trash coaches (mangini and pettine) yet say no thanks to a HC who had one down year, but two back to back 10-6 seasons.

It could be that Chip Kelly has learned from his mistakes and will be better the 2nd time around maybe like BB. I'm not saying he will be another BB but he could become a good NFL coach. Just a thought.

There's more to coaching than X's and O's. Kelly may excel at that part but he's rubbed people wrong wherever he's been. He was both loved and loathed in Eugene. Loved because he won. Loathed as a human. I know this isn't a popularity contest. I know Belicheck isn't exactly everyone's favorite, but he respects his players. His players respect him. Kelly has made multiple enemies in his short tenure in Philly. He's been fired not because of his X's and O's but because he's a horses rear.

I had a lengthy conversation with a dude at work about Chip being our head coach, and it concluded with the thought of possibly vomiting in my mouth.

I agree w/that, but not in the way you think.

A lot of believe he's done a good job coaching that team. If he was just a coach we'd want him and the Eagles wouldn't have fired him. But he has decided to run that team into the ground since he took over. Chip Kelly will be a great NFL coach when he finds an established GM and accepts help. He needs a good defensive staff, it's always been his team's weakness. He needs to get a GM who won't cut half of the offensive players. Until he does that I don't want any part of him except for an OC. But I think his pride would look his nose up at that offer though.

That is a good point, but don't you think that perhaps NFL defenses have caught up w/his offense? Don't you think that his defense gets tired because of his offense? Don't you think that the Eagles' red zone offense has suffered due to their scheme?

I admit that I wanted Kelly here. I was wrong. I can admit it.

He's had a revolving door at QB that doesn't help.

Which is why I think chip kelly the coach is great. Chip kelly the coach AND GM, not so much.

Chip Kelly the coach got his team to back to back 10-6 seasons.

Chip Kelly's the GM thought trading for an always injured bust of a QB was a good idea. Surprise surprise, Bradford got injured again.

Which by the way, a ton of people on this board wanted us to bring Bradford in.

IMO, fire pettine and farmer, bring a GM in, and hopefully he wants chip Kelly.

If not, hopefully there's some good names out there, but no way do I want to roll with pettine and farmer for another season.

In some ways. I don't think Kelly accounted for how good NFL defenses are. He wants to run the line in a weird way. I don't think he respects defensive linemen. That said, offensively they have very little talent and still do well enough.

That's a possibility. He'd have to look for solutions to that. I think the Eagles offensive talent have made it harder for them to score in general. But those are certainly possibilities. It's hard to tell since he blew up the team.

It's open for discussion, but I think there are legitimate reasons why NFL OC's run pro-style offenses rather than offenses like the Spread, Wishbone, Veer, Wing T, etc.

I like what Belichick did. He used parts of Chip's offense and incorporated that w/McDaniels into New England's own offense. That is smart.

I think a lot of people misunderstand BB. He has a philosophy and some beliefs. He hires people that are willing to share those ideals. He then trusts them to implement things and add their own nuances. He is not a complete dictator like Kelly. BB is also always looking for an edge, and using some of Chip's ideas and strategies is just one example of that.

Spread is the new trend. Of course people aren't using it yet. They even have to change it to the NFL. In college the hash marks are further away. His first year there they had a top 3 offense. I think he has to find what and what doesn't work in the NFL. He needs time to find that.

I don't think there's any correlation between spread offenses not working and lack of pro teams running it have any correlation. Popularity doesn't mean quality. The more probable answer is that coaches haven't run the spread and don't want to change offensive philosophies now.

Well, I think you missed the part about how it worked at first, just like many other gimmicky offenses do, and then later peters/petered out.

I also think that too many people don't acknowledge how football savvy the coaches in the NFL are. Some act like they won't run the spread because they are antiquated. LMAO...........sorry, ain't buying that.

I have been around the game enough to know that coaches will do anything they can to gain an edge. The NFL is a completely different beast than the NCAA. The speed of NFL defenses, the complexity of its schemes on defense, and knowledge of veteran players makes an offense that limits reads vulnerable.

His offense trend downward probably had nothing to do with losing 5 probowlers on his offense in 3 years+ other starters.

If coaches are always trying to gain the competitive edge then why do we praise adaptability so highly? Not a lot of coaches do it in reality. Coaches don't bounce between different offensive philosophies. Some of the most talented teams run the west coast offense even though air coryell is better suited for more athletic, talented teams. Doesn't mean anything. See how many OC's have coached in college in the past decade. No one has ran the spread in the NFL and no one will until it's given time. At one point no one was running the west coast offense either.

What do you mean, "limit reads" like hot reads? or what?

Well, the WCO has really kinda been around for a long time. It's just horizontal routes as opposed to vertical routes. Short passes to RBs instead of pitches. Etc

It's not drastically different than the Spread.

What do I mean about reads?

I mean one read or check down. Lack of sight adjustments. Lack of hot reads. It sounds like some really cool offense, but it's very elementary and lacks the depth of NFL offenses.

I would be shocked if Kelly went anywhere besides Tennessee. They might even give him personnel control.

USC already hired a head coach.

I will say that Kelly's system is one that Manziel would thrive in.

The spread is just a change in the geometry of the game. The WCO, Air Coryell, etc., etc. are all differences in philosophy. The geometry of the game can be applied to any and all offensive philosophies. It's just about finding the right formula.

I think you have a very college view of the Spread. Pro offenses are simple in college football. Spread offenses are simple in football. The game is much more simple. You cannot teach college kids the complexity of football in an offseason. Often the most simple offenses perform the best. Mike Leach made a career of making an offense so simple he could install it in 3 days. I digress. Chip is making the spread a lot more complicated.

I'll have to say Harbaugh made a lot of things simple for Alex Smith. Maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing for NFL offenses attempt to be simpler.

http://grantland.com/features/quarterbacking-made-simple/

We disagree on the Spread in the NFL.

I made my point earlier about implementing parts of it into a pro offense, as New England did.

If you wanna believe that running a full-fledged Spread would work in the NFL......than that is your right. I will just not agree w/you.

Eagles in 2013 and 2014.

I do not know the answer to this question:

What did Belichick's players think of him when he was the coach of the Browns?

I'm not sure what his players thought of him, but after being fired Modell said "he was sold a bill of goods on Bill Belichick".

I'm not sure the phrase "famous last words" have ever been more appropriate.