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Well, I was clearly wrong about that and confused you with someone else. Why don't you say the same thing about mac?

What I am still right about, is you bashing Heckert for letting Wright walk because he wouldn't pay him #1CB money.

arch...NO, no proof from Vers to backup his claim.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You defended the rapist, Eric Wright.

What do you call a person who accuses others without any facts or evidence to backup the claim?

What do you call someone who just makes stuff up without one shred of evidence to backup their claims?


Most of us know what you call an individual who does either or both of the above.


I did find the info below while looking for the definition of "someone who lies".

Slanderer - someone who deliberately tells lies that will damage your reputation
Libeller - slandering in print
Perjurer - slandering under oath, or other specific legal circumstances

Of course, liar covers all these and more.
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not quite the way i remember it. posters were mad because the drunken nutcase was cutting and letting fa walk for no reason except to make sure his players starting.

your memory of the time is possible distorted by your rabid mouth foaming attacks on anything that was remotely critical of the drunken nut.

Well said Devil. I too fall into the Manziel skeptic category. I do follow college football, and was well aware of JFF, and didn't want him for the Browns. Not because of his talents which are plentiful, but because of his attitude and immaturity. When we drafted him, I was disappointed (Carr was my guy), but he is a Brown, so I want him to succeed.

As a recovering alcoholic/drug addict (26 yrs, and I know I'm one of several on this board) I have a different view on his rehab than many here. I understand that, if one has a drinking/drug problem that ANY consumption is a red flag. One of the truest signs of a problem is the inability to stop self-destructive behavior; you know this behavior has caused you problems, but you just can't stop it. I assume Johnny went to rehab because he (or more likely his family) recognized that his partying lifestyle was adversely affecting his professional performance. The fact that, less than a year after rehab, he has resumed that lifestyle, even in a more limited degree, indicates that he hasn't accepted, that he doesn't truly believe he has a problem. He changed his lifestyle long enough to get his career back on track, then went back to partying. We call that alcoholic thinking, "I just have to stop until the problem that brought me here is fixed, then I can do it again." I totally agree with your view that while his partying may not have gotten him into legal trouble, or league sanctions yet, yet is the key word there.

I like the changes I've seen in Johnny on the field. But the fact that he is partying again, less than a year out of rehab, bothers me greatly. Again, I have a different perspective on this than most. While I want to believe he can be the guy, I don't trust his capacity to stay out of trouble, even if it hasn't really come YET.

I remember it as people having an agenda because butts were (excuse me...."are") still chapped that Mangini was fired. After Haden was drafted and proved to be the #1CB, there was no reason to pay Wright what he wanted. So he walked.

What FA were worth keeping that we let walk that year? Mike Adams?

Eric Wright signed for a 5yr, $35MM contract. Are you trying to say it was a bad decision to let this free agent walk?

I think "drunken nut" is applicable here, but I think you have it directed at the wrong person.

And I wish there was a mouth foaming attack emoticon.........refs??

oh look... a Johnny Wright Thread.


There is something wrong with this.

Hey, I am skeptical about Johnny, too.

There is a difference between skepticism and someone referring to him as our drunk quarterback or saying he has an alcohol or drug addiction. We've seen some of the names given to Johnny, like the Cocaine Cowboy. I just think that's beyond skepticism and is downright ugly.

Oh, and despite what mac is saying.............I am NOT telling lies. Finding quotes about Wright and Leon from the other board is impossible, but I bet one could find quotes about Gordon on this board, if one so desired. I bet one could even find quotes about him calling for Goodall to be fired. And since I mentioned all three together, one might even have a better grasp on which person is telling the truth here.

Ice T was not in NWA. Eazy E bro.

The curious timing of Manziel’s concussion

Posted by Mike Florio on December 31, 2015, 11:16 AM EST

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On Monday, Browns coach Mike Pettine, who previously said that “harsh repercussions” would flow from any further Johnny Manziel incident, told reporters that: (1) he hadn’t seen Manziel’s latest party-boy video; and (2) Pettine planned to watch the video and talk to Manziel about it. On Wednesday, when Manziel showed up for work, he reported that he has concussion-like symptoms from three days earlier — before Pettine could meet with Manziel about the video.

It doesn’t take a non-concussed brain to realize that the easiest way for a 23-year-old with a history of off-field issues and no self-awareness to avoid getting in trouble at work (again) would be to claim that he has headaches and/or other symptoms of a concussion. Everyone associated with the NFL is currently petrified of letting a player take the field with a head injury. Given the lack of a thermometer-in-the-orifice style test for diagnosing a concussion, the Browns physicians weren’t about to dispute Manziel’s claims.

So Manziel avoids “harsh repercussions” from Pettine, who possibly won’t be employed by the Browns this time next week. Manziel also avoids the risk of a Week 17 injury as he enters an offseason that could see him traded to a new team, possibly the one in his Lone Star home state with an owner who continues to have a clear interest in acquiring him.

Officially, Maziel legitimately has a concussion. Given the importance of the issue, I hesitate to even suggest that he’s possibly manipulating the system. But that’s the potential genius of faking it; it’s a silver-bullet excuse that no one will be willing to question.

Given some of the decisions Manziel has made — and the lengths to which he has gone to take the sting out of those decisions (including reportedly recruiting others to lie about the timing of the creation of the bye-week video that got him on double-secret probation with Pettine) — Manziel fits the profile of a guy who at least would be tempted to take advantagage of the league’s concussion sensitivity to avoid a tough meeting with his boss, and possibly a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.

From Cleveland’s perspective, putting Manziel on ice for the final week of the season avoids the question of whether action should be taken in response to his latest party-boy video. Which avoids the kind of outcome that would result in his trade value declining as the offseason approaches.

Besides, there’s nothing the Browns can do for now, even if they suspect that he’s trying to avoid accountability for the latest defiance of his employer. After the season, they can do plenty. Trading Manziel to the Cowboys could be the option at the top of the list.

Manziel has clearly fallen off the wagon with his bizarre behavior...

...filming himself again drinking himself and posting it on the internet for everyone to see.

...then reporting to work claiming he has a headache.

Everyone knows what the freaking headache is from...I wonder what the veterans on the team think about Manziel now.

Just so everyone is clear, this is the type of behavior that comes from an alcoholic and/or a drug addict...irrational, don't give a damn about anyone, the team or teammates but cares the most about where he can get his next fix from, be it 4loko or his drug of choice.

If Haslam takes the drunk over the HC who has tried his damnedest to teach Manziel how to be responsible...Johnny becomes Haslam and his next HCs problem.

If Pettine is retained, he won't forget how Manziel used concussion protocol...Manziel's teammates won't forget either.

jmho...mac

What if he does have a concussion?

Then he is too small and can't handle the physical rigors of the NFL.

Duh.

Then writers will have to actually think to find a compelling storyline to talk about as we head into the offseason.

fixed your timeline. The video is allegedly from Dec 24th. This makes sense to me because the Browns did not have practice on Dec. 25th. The coach encouraged the players to relax / take a break "Get their heads above water" on the time in between.

and BTW...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/mike_pettine_wouldnt_have_benc.html

BEREA, Ohio -- After reviewing the film, Mike Pettine wouldn't have benched Johnny Manziel for the Christmas Eve partying video.

He said if Manziel hadn't been diagnosed with a concussion suffered from Sunday's 17-13 loss to the Chiefs, he would've started Sunday's season finale against the Steelers at FirstEnergy Stadium.

As it is, Manziel will sit out the game, a source told cleveland.com, and Austin Davis will start in his place.

Pettine never got the chance to talk to Manziel about the video, because he came in Wednesday complaining of concussion symptoms and was placed into the protocol later that afternoon. Depending on the severity of the concussion, Manziel might not be at the practice facility much this week.

"At some point this week when he's back in the building, I'll get a chance to talk to him about it,'' said Pettine.

But the coach stressed that the Christmas Eve video didn't rattle his cage the way the bye weekend one did. In that instance, Manziel vowed not to embarrass the team over the break, and he did. Furthermore, he tried to pass the video off as old, which violated the coaches' trust.

"He was at home on his day off,'' Pettine said of the latest video. "As far as the judgement of it getting out there, I question that. Other than that, this is not similar to the circumstances that involved (the bye week video and response). That was more trust and accountability than it was necessarily the act. I'll have a conversation with him at the first time that I can."

'The Internet isn’t buying Johnny Manziel’s concussion'

http://nypost.com/2015/12/30/the-internet-isnt-buying-johnny-manziels-concussion/

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Personally? I'm buying it.... okay, probably buying it. lol

Fiend for the fans and fodder for the press. - Coal Chamber

I hope he gets him a rhyming dictionary.

jc

Who cares if Manziel was benched because of another off field incident drinkin something that sounds like a liquid version of cocaine or because he got a concussion running around "being Johnny". The bottom line is that EITHER WAY, he's not reliable, be it the off or on field stuff keeping him off the field.

Of course, one would not need to resort to any of this, if he'd have just come to the conclusion that he's an incredibly crappy passer, which he is. Worst comp% among Browns QBs this season and his ypa is worse than McCown's. Can he improve? Sure, so can Austin Davis. Might as well bank on him next season. He has better stats than Johnny too, so do 30 other starting QBs in the NFL and probably another dozen+ backups (including your all time fav Brandon Weeden, lol).

But yeah, let's keep running a shortstop out there.

This is rock bottom. Crappy all around roster talent and fans' only optimistic outlook is some backyard QB, who's unreliable on and off the field. It just can't get any worse...I just pray this nightmare is over next monday and all those morons are gone and some guys with at least half a brain run this ship. I'm confident they see what I (and the rest of the world outside this board) see with Manziel

Happy New Year folks!

Mike Pettine rules out Browns QB Johnny Manziel, wants him to get problems addressed in offseason

The second season of Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has officially ended, and the coaching staff wants him to spend the offseason addressing his off-field issues.

On Thursday, Browns coach Mike Pettine formally ruled out Manziel for Sunday's season finale against the Pittsburgh Steelers after the 22nd overall pick in last year's draft was diagnosed Wednesday with a concussion suffered this past weekend in a 17-13 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Pettine and offensive coordinator John DeFilippo also stressed they want Manziel to work on his personal issues in the offseason. Manziel spent more than 10 weeks spent more than 10 weeks in an inpatient rehabilitation facility specializing in alcohol and drug addiction treatment this past offseason. The former Heisman Trophy winner appeared in a video that surfaced online this past weekend rapping and holding a can of what appears to be Four Loko, a malt beverage that contains 12 percent alcohol by volume.

"Here is a guy that has an NFL skill set," Pettine said. "He’s very talented. If you spend some time with him, he’s a likable guy. You root for him. But there are problems there that we’ll talk as we’re headed to the offseason about getting addressed. We want to make sure that all of our players are in good shape as people first, players second because I don’t think you can be as effective as you can be as a player if things aren’t right off the field, and he’s a good example of that."

Pettine conceded Manziel's off-field issues could prevent him from becoming the franchise's quarterback of the future.

"I think he’s shown on the field that he can [be the quarterback of the future], but we always talk in terms of long-term, sustained success," Pettine said. "And that’s what you want to strive for, and if things aren’t right off the field, that’s very difficult to have that level of consistency, especially when you’re in a position of leadership."

So how important is it for Manziel to get his life in order off the field?
"It's tremendously important and not only for on the field, I think your teammates need to see you doing the right thing as well," DeFilippo replied. "That's part of the position. It's a lifestyle. I've talked about that a bunch. Playing quarterback in this league is a lifestyle. You need to eat, sleep and breathe football. I think we made strides in that department. I don't want to say we're there all the way. But I think we could all agree in this [media] room, I think we have made strides in that department with the young man, and he'll continue to get better."

Pettine wouldn't answer whether he could make Manziel an ultimatum about returning to rehab.

"No, that's a personal thing," he said. "I'm not going to get into it."
But he made it clear he wants Manziel to do all the right things in the offseason, even though the collective bargaining agreement prevents the Browns from requiring Manziel do follow a regimen.

"I don't think we can really mandate it, but there can be strong suggestions as far as how he handles it," Pettine said. "But by the rules of the league, we can't [say], 'Hey, you need to come in here and meet with [quarterbacks coach] Kevin O'Connell three times a week.' It's against the rules. You can't do that. You've got to be able to send him off with a plan and check in every so often, and when the desire is there to want to get it changed and want to be better, hopefully you'll have a good result."

With Manziel ruled out for the finale, Austin Davis will definitely start at quarterback. Pettine said the Browns signed Pat Devlin to serve as Davis' backup.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...season-1.651319

Focusing on the "we can't make him come in and study with the qb coach", and "we can't force him into changing" issues.....

I guess I just don't understand why Manziel wouldn't do those things. It's his job. I get the whole "off season" thing, collective bargaining, etc.

I attend classes for my profession, even though they aren't required. I do on line training, even though it's not required.

If my job depended on it, or if my ability to do my job in a better way would be benefited from it - darn right I'd do it.

Drink all you want Manziel - just put the video's away.

Stay in Cleveland in the off season. VOLUNTEER to meet with the qb coach, the OC.......5 days a week. It's your job!!! Take a week off to go on vacation. Take a weekend here and there to do YOUR thing. Realize how privileged you are to be able to do that.

Take a lesson from the many qb's that have excelled in the league. Learn from them.

"It's tremendously important and not only for on the field, I think your teammates need to see you doing the right thing as well," DeFilippo replied. "That's part of the position. It's a lifestyle. I've talked about that a bunch. Playing quarterback in this league is a lifestyle. You need to eat, sleep and breathe football.

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good luck there with the guy that does just enough to get by on....

I guess I just don't get it.

I'd be the guy that the qb coach, the o.c., the head coach - they'd be "dude, give us a break. You don't need to be here every day."

My wife would be all "Arch, it's the off season. Why are you watching film every day? Why are you spending 3-5 hours, 5, 6, 7 days a week at the facility?"

My answer would be "To get better, so we can continue this life style. So I can have a job next season."

Keep Manziel out of a non-needed rehab get him to hire a QB coach over the offseason/forever.

oh man, I was ready to keep Johnny, and I thought he would finish strong. I know he has no receivers, but he did not finish strong. I think we better take a QB, either Goff or Lynch. We need to stop wishing and hoping and get the best QB we can. Can't go on like this.

Well it would be a shock kind of in a way if the team keeps Manziel. Has the talent but a bit of a loose cannon.

Based on Pettine's comments, I don't see the Browns passing on a QB in the first round. Obviously, he's NOT sold on Johnny's ability to be a franchise QB. Wonder what the new GM will do? Interesting.

You concluded that Manziel is an alcoholic and maybe a drug addict from that article?

Yet, Gordon failed drug tests several times in college and the NFL, lied about it, and you defended him to the point of wanting Goodell fired.........

And you have the nerve to call me names like slanderer and liar.

What happened that makes you wanna panic and draft a qb in the first round?

Was it the concussion or the article? If it was the latter, I don't get how you would think that Pet is giving-up on Manziel.

The problem with the Browns since '99 is that we never utilize the patience to develop a young QB. Here, we have a young QB who is really finding himself making progress with each start. Why get rid of him now?

His off the field antics are largely over-exaggerated IMHO. Every player blows off steam off the field but Johnny has a giant target on him, and quite frankly, it's not fair. We can speculate all we want about the concussion thing but with any other player in the league it would be chalked to up to it occurring some time during last Sunday's game and that he's beginning to feel the symptoms now. OR, and this happens A LOT - a player has a concussion during a game but keeps a secret because he doesn't want to leave the field. If Johnny had a concussion on Sunday, I couldn't tell, and if it's true that he did, I respect his passion to want to prove himself and I respect his toughness. Any other theory as to HOW Johnny got the concussion is a conspiracy theory and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. This type of stuff happens all the time with post-game concussion symptoms but because it's Johnny, the media circus loves to go nuts. It's not fair.

I think that if we give up on Manziel right now and go with yet another unproven rookie or washed up vet we would be wasting a HUGE opportunity of EPIC proportions that has a very likely chance to come back and bite us in the butt. It would be a complete liquidated investment - and I just don't see any value in doing that.

In a draft year where there will be no Andrew Luck's; heck, there's not even any Teddy Bridgewater's, Blake Bortles', or Derek Carr's, why draft another rookie QB? It is THESE things that make us a complete JOKE and the laughing stock of the league and reinforce my main point of never developing our young talent. Connor Cook and Jarett Goff are a notch below those guys and are unlikely to project to elite status.

I'm sick and tired of having a new QB every year leading to very little enthusiasm or legitimate hope for that season yet again, again, and again. Let's try and develop Manziel! Let's give him another year. He's made HUGE progress, you can't deny that. Donte Whitner, Gary Barnidge, and the Chiefs DB are right. The statistics show that he'll only get better next season.

mac, did you--or did you not--defend Gordon? Did you--or did you not--call for Goodall to be fired for his treatment of Gordon?

Whose crimes are worse, mac----------Gordon's or Manziel's?

You keep resorting to the Wright thing because you know the old board is down.

You surely aren't denying the claims about Gordon, or are you?

I'm standing behind Johnny




I hear he is buying and I could use some free drinks.

I think there are a lot of problems w/the Browns, but I think it would be stupid to give-up on Manziel and draft a question-mark QB w/a top 2 pick.

Manziel's game is better than any of those guys.

I do worry about the off-the-field stuff w/Manziel. It's a gamble. He could fail. No doubt about that. However, drafting one of the chump qbs in this draft w/such a high pick is a bigger gamble.

I didn't think that could happen. I thought the league had to check it out to make sure the concussion is real so that teams couldn't use it in other ways..

Have I been misinformed?