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I've also seen "gambles" like Cam Newton and Blake Borltes pay off.

I feel like some guys just want to wait for a Peyton Manning or Elway.

And that player is who?

Also, if we do get a real franchise QB, then what player makes a bigger impact than that player? The reward outweighs the risk.

And I feel like some guys think every qb is Peyton Manning or Elway.

What we need to do if we want to make the playoffs is improve our defense.

Here is the list of defensive ranks. Asterisk indicates currently slotted as a playoff team.

Total Defense:
Rank Team Total Def PPG Allowed
1 * Denver 280.9 18.4
2 * Seattle 295.7 18.1
3 * Houston 316.5 20.5
4 * Carolina 318.7 19.9
5 * Arizona 319.5 18.5
6 * NY Jets 320.2 19.5
7 * New England 332.9 19.7
8 * Kansas City 337.6 18
9 Tampa Bay 338.7 25.3
10 Baltimore 340.4 25.1
11 * Cincinnati 340.8 17.5
12 Dallas 342.2 22.7
13 Tennessee 343.2 26.2
14 * Minnesota 343.8 19.3
15 Atlanta 344.8 21.7
16 Chicago 345.2 24.9
17 Detroit 350.1 25.3
18 San Diego 352.5 24.7
19 * Green Bay 353.7 20.2
20 Buffalo 360.1 22.8
21 St. Louis 361.8 20.7
22 Oakland 365.3 25.1
23 Pittsburgh 369.7 20.5
24 * Washington 371.9 23.7
25 Jacksonville 373.2 27.9
26 Cleveland 379.2 26.9
27 Miami 388.2 25.3
28 Indianapolis 389 25.6
San Francisco 389 24.7
30 Philadelphia 394.9 26.7
31 New Orleans 413.4 30.6
32 NY Giants 419.3 27.1


Scoring Defense
Rank Team Total Def PPG Allowed
1 * Cincinnati 340.8 17.5
2 * Kansas City 337.6 18
3 * Seattle 295.7 18.1
4 * Denver 280.9 18.4
5 * Arizona 319.5 18.5
6 * Minnesota 343.8 19.3
7 * NY Jets 320.2 19.5
8 * New England 332.9 19.7
9 * Carolina 318.7 19.9
10 * Green Bay 353.7 20.2
11 * Houston 316.5 20.5
12 Pittsburgh 369.7 20.5
13 St. Louis 361.8 20.7
14 Atlanta 344.8 21.7
15 Dallas 342.2 22.7
16 Buffalo 360.1 22.8
17 * Washington 371.9 23.7
18 San Diego 352.5 24.7
19 San Francisco 389 24.7
20 Chicago 345.2 24.9
21 Baltimore 340.4 25.1
22 Oakland 365.3 25.1
23 Tampa Bay 338.7 25.3
24 Detroit 350.1 25.3
25 Miami 388.2 25.3
26 Indianapolis 389 25.6
27 Tennessee 343.2 26.2
28 Philadelphia 394.9 26.7
29 Cleveland 379.2 26.9
30 NY Giants 419.3 27.1
31 Jacksonville 373.2 27.9
32 New Orleans 413.4 30.6

Now, to be sure, a defense doesn't perform in a vacuum. Our best defender on Sunday was that 3rd quarter drive that ate up like 12 minutes or whatever it was. But the point is, there are teams with far from elite QBs on that list that are in the playoffs because their defense is very good. On the other hand, there are teams not in the (or even close to) the playoffs with very good passing games.

(stats from ESPN.com)

Goff officially declared.

https://twitter.com/CalFootball/status/682622929654419457

Your not going to be a successful Team reaching for a player in the NFL Draft , and that includes a QB !

If a QB becomes a long term starter, then you didn't reach for him.

Tannehill has officially locked himself in as a "long term starter"

Miami took him at 8. It was and is still a reach, if we had taken him at 4 and he been as good here, it woukd of been a massive reach.

Except it would allow the phrase "Cleveland Browns starting QB Brandon Weeden" to not be a thing.. so..

That is a good comparison. I see Goff and Lynch in the same light as Tannehill. An NFL project with some ability and not a sure fire NFL QB that would be nothing more than a reach in the top 5 of the draft.

Man... Goff might not be perfect but he's not as dumb as Tannehill was in college.

Yeah. There's no need to be cruel when making comparisons.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/27/jared-goff-nfl-draft-2016-top-quarterback-qb-prospect

Good write up on Goff. I would paste the article but there are pictures and stuff.

Beautiful throw

Throws like that are how people convince themselves that a guy is great. They play it over and over and over. Look at the pocket. Look at the competition. Think about the decision.

The qbs in this draft are garbage.

Speaking of other qbs in this draft. I really, really don't get what people see in Cook. His pocket presence is terrible. He forces balls, he checks down too early, he doesn't step into many of his throws, the blades of grass on the field have more emotion than he does, etc.......

And if he can't handle Alabama's defense, what will happen when he faces NFL defenses.

There have been years to get a qb. There are years to pass. This is one of them.

Not impressed with Goff at all last night, not a single point scored. Their best drive was near the end of the second half when they had a chance to score and keep the game from getting away from them. Goff threw a horrendous pick to blanketed receiver. No reason to force that throw, I think it was only 1st or 2nd down.

I think you mean Cook, not Goff.

LoL good call.

15 , I really think you are trying to talk yourself into a pick ! I'll say it again and then let the Draft play out ; There isn't a top 5 QB pick in this draft .. Maybe not a top 10 ..

I'm not trying to talk myself into anything. I've liked Goff the entire season. I've watched him play. We will be taking a QB.

Guys, I am not an OSU fan so no homer pick here but, if Joey Bosa is there when the Browns select he has to be the pick.

If we want play makers Bosa is a play maker. He will sack the QB and that pressure on QB's will lead to picks. Will really make the secondary much better. Our talent back there like Haden will look much much better with pressure on the QB.

You guys realize there's not a single prospect that you can't be talked into not drafting?

So Jaylon Smith in the 2nd no matter what?

I doubt Jaylon Smith lasts the first 10 picks. If he is there in the 2nd, ABSOLUTELY take him!! I like him with our first pick. I also like Bosa, Hargreaves, Goff, Lynch, and trading down with the first pick. There is a lot of things will happen between now and then to effect the first pick.

Do we know what Smith's injury is yet?

I saw it, left knee. How severe I don't know. It didn't look catastrophic, but knees are tricky.

It looked horrible.

cook was complete garbage in his game.

He is clearly behind Goff and Lynch. He might also be behind Wentz.

1st, Goff has shown time and time again that he can play with people at his feet. Just because he can make that throw with a clean pocket is not an indication of how he throws with pressure in the pocket. He's one of the most accurate at college to do so, because he has amazingly good footwork for a college QB.

2nd, The competition...well, Air Force was a highly rated defense. And it's not like Cal is a hot bed of college talent. Goff made them better than they look, but Cal is only 2 years away from 1-11.

3rd, the decision? He found a guy who beat his man, and the safety was late. What was the bad decision there? Sure, it's a hard throw. A very hard throw. I don't see how that is a knock against Goff. He's throwing to guys who are NFL open and completing them at a high rate.

Sure, if you don't want to like Goff because he's a supposed pretty boy, is how I believe you put it before, that's fine. You are definitely entitled to that opinion. But there's not much wrong with that throw, and the guy has rare talent for the QB position.

Passing on Goff would haunt this franchise for years to come.

Pretty boy? What the hell are you talking about?

And you completely missed my point. Gee, that's surprising.

The only thing that is surprising is me actually expecting a response that didn't just discard my post because I "missed your point". Fantastic.

Waste of my time.

I know, I'm quoting myself, but I omitted Treadwell from that list. I really like Treadwell too.

Jaylon Smiths injury is going to sideline him possibly next year too. I'm reading that it might be worse than just an ACL tear.

Do us both a favor and don't waste it again.

I think we call agree that Jared Goffs ability to shuffle his feet, sense pressure and manipulate the pocket is literally his greatest asset. Absolute textbook how he does it.

Not sure of the rules, can Smith keep his senior year eligibility if he spends a year rehabbing?

Why would he do that? He can get paid to rehab and get insurance money if he goes pro.