DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Sashi Brown is Promoted VP Ops

As I said above, I think the GM will turn out to be nothing more than the "grocery shopper" for the head-coach. And if we can pull a coach like Cowher, Billick, Gruden, etc ... then I think that is really what people would like to see.

However, if we pull some no-name coach and hire a token GM, then I would really have to consider that theory about Haslam being a Steelers plant, trying to destroy the Browns from within.

j/c:

I hope he'll do a press conference soon. I'm intrigued to hear some of the follow up to Jimmy's comments last night. I'm also sure the media is chomping at the bit to talk about final decisions and hiring sequences.

Bbv

Triple, chances are your bosses, bosses boss knows his job and how to keep things on the right path. I strongly question what Haslam knows about the football path and how to keep things going in the right direction, based on prior decisions he has made.

Hope you are correct!

I suspect that the battle between Pettine and Farmer over 46/53 was interesting and revolved around Bowe.

I think Jimmy said it in his press conference last night.

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#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam: Sashi Brown will have final say on 53-man roster, handle salary cap. GM will focus on talent acquisition, scouts

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Well, you were right about one thing. A "bozo" said it.

I said this last night and I'll say it again; "Money Ball".

I think Sashi Brown is the analytical critical thinker that is going to buffer the big egos of the HC/GM. Haslam said "Ultimate say over the 53 man roster" not "Final say", giving me the impression that he is the tie breaker merely listening to the arguments presented by the football guys (HC/GM) then filtering the ego and bias with statistics and making the call as to what is done. In cases where there is a consensus between the football guys he will defer (or should defer) to their judgement.

Not sure if I have this right or not, but it looks like Haslam is reigning in the GM/HC egos and infighting by putting a non-emotional non-football guy into his old role as the tie breaker. He has basically removed himself (a positive), defined each football guys role precisely (limiting interference, a positive), given the HC full control of coaching (a positive), and given the GM the streamlined priority role of finding better talent (removing the contract negotiations, and other non-football non-player-evaluation responsibilities, a positive).

This could turn out to be a great setup or another train wreck, time will tell.

I would like to know if Sashi Brown was responsible for the Bowe contract.

negotiating it for sure..

I turned on NFL Network, and man, they just blasted the way the Browns are doing this.

They mentioned that few candidates are going to be interested in the job the way it is structured. They mentioned that many candidates for GM might not even be allowed to interview by their current teams because of the fact that they gave Brown control of the roster and draft. They also were very much against analtics, saying that it just doesn't work in the NFL, and even in the NBA, using the example of the Sixers as a huge analytics driven team, that can't even accomplish anything but being the worst team in the NBA. Then they said that the Browns basically looked at 3 other teams in their division, who are all successful, and said, "Nope, we know better, and we're going to do it our way".

It was really discouraging.

*Sigh* It ain't easy being a Browns fan.

NO GM nor HC would want to report daily to someone that doesnt know a damn thing about football. We will find another Mike Pettine 2.0 when all the qualified candidates tell us to take a hike.

I am a head coach thats produced wins and now you are asking me to report to a frekaing lawyer. this collaborative system has been in place since Jimmy Haslam took over and it has worked so well that we want to do it again. Seriously.

And a team built upon analytic based system, really? Football is a fine balance between talent and team chemistry. There is a place for it but the analytic guy should be reporting to the football guy to use the info not the other way around.

Which is why I say that if Sashi Brown steps into thinking he is a football guy and making scouting decisions and such, we're doomed.

As long as all of those decisions stay with the GM, and Sashi knows his role and acts and just the mediator/tie-breaker between GM & HC, then we might be ok.

The thing is, there is room for interpretation on how "ultimate say" is implemented.

If he is a hands-on micro-manager, this is bad. VERY bad.

If he is a hand-off manager that allows the GM to do his work and he only steps in when disputes arise, then this isn't bad at all.


In both cases, he would be the "ultimate say" - it just depends upon what type of manager he will be.

This is the same job Banner had with us. It can work, but I have little faith.

Mike and Mike are the last people I would listen when determining if something is a joke. They are the biggest joke around. Corporate shills that are made to look like a radio show.

Clarification. It was Herm Edwards and Chris Carter doing the talking. M & M never gave opinions.

I love it when it's not worth bringing up or reading if the wrong person said it. Do you not agree with me that the team is a joke?

I do not know if the team is a joke. I will take a wait and see approach (I am leaning towards joke). I do know that I will not let some talking heads help determine my opinion.

If we hire a coach everyone loves and a GM everyone loves, then in two weeks everyone will be saying how smart we are (whether we do that is another thing altogether). People love to dump on the teams that are done.

that's quite a brown move.

On why the team will hire a head coach first and then a general manager and not the other way around:

“Remember, Sashi Brown’s job as executive vice president of football operations, he will have the ultimate say on the roster. If you think about it, we just think this makes more sense to hire the head coach first, then second to hire the talent acquisition or general manager.”

Jimmy Haslam press conference - 1/3

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...8d-e447e395cd95

IF that happens, I will be thrilled to say I was wrong.

I don't see it happening though, This job has become the least attractive job in the entire NFL. We'll hire a guy who makes Mike Pettine look like a top level coordinator, and probably wind up promoting a guy like Morocco Brown to "GM".

Then we'll have "Browns" at VP football operations and GM. Maybe we can hire Corwin Brown as coach, and have a "Brown" trifecta.

He is the beat reporter for the Akron Beacon Journal, who took over Pat McManaman's (sp) spot when he left the paper many years ago. He is a pretty solid beat guy, as well connected as just about anyone else, and a pretty respected guy.

I cannot recall any time where he reported something that wasn't heavily supported.

If you don't believe a direct quote from Haslam's mouth, what will you believe? Does Haslam have to call you personally to tell you the news?

Interpret it however you want - it doesn't matter at this point. Time will tell us what it is, and there is nothing we can do about it.




Ummm... he owns the team. There is no scenario at all, ever, short of him selling the team, that has him NOT being able to precisely what you're complaining about. None.

Hey Jimmy...your new dumpster is shipping today.

Last night Haslam literally said that all of the blame is on him.

yea but he didnt pull out the sword, aim it at his chest and fall forward.

Supposedly Haslam is putting together the same management tree Seattle implemented.

I tried finding who Pete Carroll reports directly too. John Schneider reports to the president.

From what I read Sashi Brown is suppose to be a very level headed and analytical. Sounds like a Joe Banner type.

Haslam isn't attempting an untested organizational tree. Key will most definitely reside on the owner, GM, and HC communicating. It works in Seattle. In my opinion, the communication structure isn't design to support Seattle's success more the people make it work. If there is a power struggle, in my opinion, it gets ugly.

I believe HC hired must have experience. In this structure, HC has major influence. As for the GM, I see a strong person in player evaluation will thrive. Steelers Kevin Colbert works more in this structure.

This model suggests that we are focused on building a team that the marketeers can be proud of, promoters who will steal us blind while the dead cow is milked and the dead horse beaten some more for our own good reward for being such a loyal fan base.

This hogwash sounds less like NFL football than anything I have seen in my life. Because the committee consensus groupthink has panned so much gold thus far.

I remain concerned that a lot of the deciding is done and in place already. This window dressing is in place to look thorough for appearances. Just wonder how much is in place already, and how much damage is done already. Hope I am wrong.

More credibility than Grossi and MKC? That is hard to swallow!

It may have been beneficial to give a coach a little bit of time to see if he worked out.