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I don't know 15, there are any number of reasons why people do things. I am asking whether that's an option.

If the Browns fire Farmer, Pettine, and trade Manziel then look to draft a QB they need to stay away from all spread QB's. Learn lessons from past mistakes. We have tried and tried spread QB's over and over again all better in college than what will be available this draft. Weeden, McCoy, and Manziel.

They need to target a playmaker on defense like Bosa or on offense like Treadwell in the first round. Then take a Pro Style QB in a later round to groom for the future.

So, first let me say it pains me to do this. Going into the KC game I was expecting to see Manziel continue his on-field trajectory for the final 2 weeks. And then we were left with his game last Sunday and being out for this Sunday. As many predicted, here we are now at the end of the season wishing we had seen more of Manziel playing this season, but instead we have our head coach throwing people under the bus for his maddening string of bad decisions... And we don't know what we have in Manziel. So that leaves us with needing an answer at QB, and it ain't Austin Davis and it ain't Josh McCown (who I do feel played well this year -- very well by Browns standards, but will be 37 and his body is breaking down.)

Sure woul be nice if we were able to rely on our 2014 1st rounders.

1. Tennessee -- Laremy Tunsil, OT Ole Miss
2. Cleveland -- Jared Goff, QB Cal
3. San Diego -- Ronnie Stanley, OT Notre Dame
4. Dallas -- Joey Bosa, DE Ohio State
5. San Francisco -- Myles Jack, ILB UCLA
6. Jacksonville -- Jalen Ramsey, CB Florida State
7. Miami -- Deforest Buckner, DE Oregon
8. Baltimore -- Vernon Hargreaves, CB Florida
9. Tampa Bay -- Robert Nkemdiche, DT Ole Miss
10. New York Giants -- Shaq Lawson, DE Clemson
11. New Orleans -- LaQuon Treadwell, WR Ole Miss
12. Philadelphia -- Mackenzie Alexander, CB Clemson
13. Detroit -- Emmanuel Ogbah, DE Oklahoma St
14. Chicago -- Taylor Decker, OT Ohio State
15. Indianapolis -- Reggie Ragland, ILB Alabama
16. Buffalo -- A'Shawn Robinson, DL Alabama
17. Oakland -- Jack Conklin, OT Michigan St.
18. St. Louis -- Paxton Lynch, QB Memphis
19. Atlanta -- Josh Doctson, WR TCU
20. Pittsburgh -- Kenny Clark, DT UCLA
21. Washington -- Jarran Reid, DL Alabama
22. Houston -- Corey Coleman, WR Baylor
23. Seattle -- Leonard Floyd, LB Georgia
24. New York Jets -- Jaylon Smith, LB Notre Dame
25. Kansas City -- Germain Ifedi, OT Texas A&M
26. Green Bay -- Jonathan Allen, DE Alabama
27. Minnesota -- Michael Thomas, WR Ohio State
28. Cincinnati -- Jayron Kearse, S Clemson
29. Denver -- Derrick Henry, RB Alabama
30. Arizona -- Noah Spence, OLB Eastern Kentucky
31. New England -- Deflated
32. Carolina -- Jason Spriggs, OT Indiana
33. Cleveland -- Zack Sanchez, CB Oklahoma

65. Cleveland -- Scooby Wright, ILB Arizona

100. Cleveland -- Trevon Stewart, FS Houston

5th. Cleveland -- Tyrone Holmes, OLB Montana
5c1. Cleveland -- Nelson Spruce, WR Colorado
5c2. Cleveland -- Devin Lucien, WR Arizona St
5c3. Cleveland -- Tyler Marz, OT Wisconsin

6th. Cleveland -- Jake McGee, TE Florida

7th. Cleveland -- DeAndre Washington, RB Texas Tech
7c. Cleveland -- Steven Daniels, ILB Boston College

Honestly I feel like this is a stinker of a draft compared to what we could get if we weren't locked into getting a QB. Getting Treadwell and another high second could make a huge difference to me, and instead we get Goff, who could end up being a lateral move to Manziel.

there is no way we take a QB in this draft in the first round

How do we not?

This.

Come to the light!

We officially have the #2 pick. We also have the first pick of the second round (which is pick #32 as a result of the Patriots getting their pick yoinked).

Yeah, we'll go QB at 2. There is almost zero chance that we don't.

I really would love to get Bosa though.

If you use those dumb mock draft simulators, then you can get Goff, Bosa, Ramsey, and Elliott.

Goff or bust. No overthinking or half assing this by signing some former vet turned journeyman. Manziel is NOT the answer. Draft the best QB in this class and BUILD AROUND HIM. I'm tired of using over used prehistoric cliches that worked in the 70's and 80's. Get him some weapons.

Draft Order:
1 TEN
2 CLE
3 SD
4 DAL
5 JAX
6 BAL
7 SF
8 MIA
9 TB
10 NYG
11 CHI
12 NO
13 PHI
14 OAK
15 STL
16 DET
17 ATL
18 IND
19 BUF
20 NYJ

https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/683812759008460800

Player rankings will change depending on whether our new coat runs a 3-4 vs 4-3 defense but I think these guys are scheme diverse and could thrive in either system. This early it is really hard to project where players will go after the 1st round or 2 so cut me some slack on that.

1 - Goff qb Cal
Alternatives:
Bosa De/Olb tOSU,
Tunsil Mississippi

2 - Tim Williams Olb Alabama
Alternatives:
arran Reed Dt Alabama
Corey Coleman Wr Baylor

3 -De’Runnya Wilson Wr Miss ST

Alternatives:
Corey Davis Wr WMU
Travin Dural Wr LSU
Yannick Ngakoue De/Olb Maryland

4 Wayne Gallman Rb Clemson

5 Tyler Marz, OT Wisconsin

I would be shocked if we don't take a QB. Shocked.

Me too. I included alternatives for our round 1 pick to cover the event that Tennessee trades out of #1 for someone who wants Goff.

I like Lynch but not at #2 overall. Perhaps we could do a trade down then pick him.

When was the last time the #1 pick was traded? Was it Vick?

(Google search)

It was Eli to the Giants in 2003.

I view a trade up to #1 as very unlikely.

Unlikely most years but Tennessee doesn't need a qb. I don't know what defense they run but if they want Bosa he will go #1 however they could use Oline help and there are several top LT's in this draft. Or perhaps they want a Cb, another position that has a lot of depth at the top of the draft. If they prioritize one of those other 2 positions over Bosa then trading back would make a lot of sense. And with the rookie salary scale trading up isn't as difficult.

Having said that, if I was running the Titans draft, I would take Tunsil. He is going to be a perennial pro bowler (IMO) and they need to protect their investment in Mariotta.

If we switch to a 4-3:

1. Jared Goff, QB, Cal
2. Carl Nassib, DE, Penn State
3. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
4. De’Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss ST
5. Joe Schobert, OLB, Wisconsin
6. Braxton Miller, WR, OSU
7. Jacob Coker, QB, Alabama

With the news of the firings, I hope the Browns do take Goff, which will help ensure their future futility.

Only the Browns can be this dumb.

That's a weird thing to say.

Not sure why you're so dead-set against Goff. Your dislike of him is looking similar to what it was with Carr. Everyone get's them wrong from time to time, but why the firm belief against him?

I think he makes poor decisions. I think he forces the ball into traffic. He is playing against poor defenses. That crap won't fly in the NFL.

I also think that the biggest weaknesses w/this team this year was not at the QB position. The Browns are desperately lacking impact players and gambling on another question-mark Qb is pretty freaking stupid.

Then again.............at this point. I really don't care who they take. The Browns suck and at this point in time........I am done w/them!

I've tried. I just ignore it at this point. If San Fran or Dallas trade up for Goff here's an alternative:

We'd have to build a team committed to running and playing defense because I am NOT drafting Lynch. Try to sign Lamar Miller in free agency.

1. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
2. Carl Nassib, DE, Penn State
3. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
4. De’Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss ST
5. Joe Schobert, OLB, Wisconsin
6. Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State
7. Jacob Coker, QB, Alabama

Have Cardale and Coker battle it out and try to develop.

I could live with that draft. I would switch it up a little from that...

1) Goff
2) Nassib
3) Davis
4) WLB Eric Striker, Oklahoma
5) WR Nelson Spruce, Colorado
6) Miller
7) Something else that's not a QB


How about this if switching to a 4-3?

1) DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State
2) QB Dak Prescott, Mississippi St
3) MLB Scooby Wright III, Arizona
4) WLB Eric Striker, Oklahoma
5) WR Nelson Spruce, Colorado
6) WR Devin Lucien, WR Arizona State
7) C Mitch Smothers, Arkansas

My previous reply was to your first mock, but I was thinking of something similar if Goff is gone and we go 4-3:

1) DE Bosa
2) DE Nassib
3) MLB Wright
4) WLB Striker
4tu) FS Stewart (5 + 5c2)
5c1) WR Spruce
5c3) QB Allen
6) WR Lucien
7) C Smothers
7c) FB

I'd love that if we can't get Goff.

If we take a QB with our first pick it probably will spell the demise of at least another 2-3 seasons for the Browns.

This draft class is weak at best especially when you see a kid like Cardale ranked in the top 5 QB's of the draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-d...king-guarantees


Which QB-needy team will be in position to take Cal's Jared Goff? (USATSI)
The 2016 NFL Draft features plenty of talent at the quarterback position, but it's spread out between a dozen (or more) prospects.

That's unlike a year ago when it was obvious that the top two prospects -- Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota -- were relatively transcendent underclassmen (and then a steep drop-off in talent after them), the 2016 draft is loaded with projects.

The crop was significantly boosted Thursday with the expected announcements that the top two quarterbacks on NFLDraftScout.com's board -- Paxton Lynch (Memphis) and Jared Goff (California) - were forgoing their senior seasons and heading to the NFL.

Lynch (6 feet 6, 230 pounds) possesses all of the physical tools to excite scouts, including rare agility for a man of his size and a hose for an arm. However, rather than end his career with a bang, Lynch struggled mightily in a 31-10 loss to Auburn, raising all kinds of questions about the steep learning curve he'll face in the NFL.


Goff (6-4, 210), on the other hand, was brilliant in guiding Cal to its first bowl victory since 2008, tossing six touchdowns without an interception to win the Armed Forces Bowl. That victory, however, came against an overmatched Air Force defense and there are plenty of concerns as to whether Goff's thin frame and average arm strength will hold up in the NFL, making it potentially critical that he's drafted by a team that fits his strengths.

The top-rated seniors at the position also come with significant questions.

Michigan State's Connor Cook remains in the first round conversation as the 6-2, 220-pounder has the build, arm strength and track record in a pro-style offense to offer a relatively quick transition to the NFL.

Scouts, however, question how much of the Spartans' success is due to Cook. Michigan State beat Ohio State on Nov. 21 without Cook by sticking to Mark Dantonio's philosophy of running the ball and playing physical, assignment-sound defense. Despite starting the past three years for Sparty, Cook still has a tendency to spray the ball due to inconsistent footwork.

Further, scouts question whether Cook, who curiously was never voted a captain by teammates during his collegiate career, has the leadership traits necessary to ever be a franchise quarterback.

North Dakota State's Carson Wentz is the small-school wild card to keep an eye on. He was lightly recruited out of high school due in part to his size (5-8, 125 pounds as a high school freshman) but he sprouted and now possesses an ideal frame for the NFL (6-5, 231).

Not surprisingly, Wentz has starred against the lower competition, guiding the Bison to a berth in the FCS national championship Jan. 9 against Jacksonville State. While he possesses the frame, arm and surprisingly athleticism scouts are looking for, he comes with obvious level of competition questions with only one career appearance against an FBS team (Iowa State). Scouts are excited to see Wentz matched up against top talent at the Senior Bowl. A strong performance in Mobile could push Wentz into the first-round mix.

With an undefeated record at Ohio State that includes sparkling performances in playoff wins last year against Alabama and Oregon to guide the Buckeyes to a national championship, Cardale Jones doesn't come with the same level of competition questions as Wentz. Further, he boasts the most exciting skill-set of this year's quarterbacks with a Daunte Culpepper-like combination of size (6-5, 250 pounds), arm strength and athleticism.

While undeniably gifted, Jones is quite a gamble at the next level, having started only 11 games (and played in 23 overall) over his collegiate career. In terms of running the ball or chucking it downfield on vertical routes, Jones looks like a future star. It is virtually everywhere else, however, that Jones needs considerable polishing before he can be expected to guide an NFL franchise.

With no guarantees among quarterbacks at the top, NFL teams could elect to take advantage of this year's bumper crop of offensive and defensive linemen (who make up the majority of our current mock drafts) and instead wait until the middle rounds to find a passer.

There are some intriguing prospects amongst the second-tier quarterbacks, including Mississippi State's Dak Prescott, Stanford's Kevin Hogan, Arkansas' Brandon Allen and Louisiana Tech's Jeff Driskel, each of whom made strides in 2015.

None, however, boasts the complete skill-set to ease the concerns of QB-needy general managers throughout the NFL, which should make the buildup to this year's draft all the more fascinating to watch.

I'm convinced some of you think a Andrew Luck is going to fall into our laps.

I thought compensatory picks can't be traded.

I'm convinced some people on this board think there is someone 1/2 as good as Luck. or on the same playing field as Mariotta Winston Newton Gabbert Stafford Ryan Flacco that is worth drafting at QB this year.

this QB draft class may be worse than 2013 2007 or 2002

correction- I meant Bortles not Gabbert

That is allegedly changing this year, but prior to this season you would be correct.

I believe the trades can happen starting in 2017.

There would be only two teams that concerns me, namely Dallas at #4 and San Fran at #7. Probably way too expensive any further down. This is assuming that QB is our target and those two teams are the only ones who may want to surrender a bunch of picks to move to #1. If we are not targetting a QB at #2, then stay where we are or trade down a few spots. Unless the Titans can get their man (Tunsil?) while trading down, I believe they stay at #1...

Ah you're right. In that case, just change it to 5 & 6. If they're willing to trade for a 5th and a 5th comp, they'd be willing to trade for a 5 & a 6

I think, at least at this point, it would be more valuable to protect Mariota with a LT than it would any future assets they could receive in return, no matter the size or possibilities.

If the Titans likes that LT, pick him and move on.

If Tunsil is the guy they want, they can't drop behind San Diego.

People who think Goff isnt worth it will be infulence when they actually watch him.

The top three guys in this draft seem to be pretty clear at this point. It will be Tunstil, Goff, and Bosa in some order.