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Where the heck do you believe I said any such thing?

Go back and re-read what I wrote. Then stop and re-read it one more time because you probably screwed it up the first time, lol

Don't try to insert what you THINK I wrote... read just what I wrote.

He may be in charge of scouting but since BROWN is the guy DOING the picking he BETTER know how to scout a player. He BETTER know which ones to pick because HE is the one DOING the drafting and signing the FA's. If he's SMART he will take his assistant's suggestions. But what kind of GM candidate will take a job knowing they have zero control over the roster? We will get a yes man kissing Sashi Browns butt and recommending players he knows Brown favors.

You DO understand that it is possible to be in a role that has ultimate authority and not be involved in the day to day minutae right? Tons of jobs have those beneath them doing all the heavy lifting, but bringing important decisions before them to "sign off" on it.

Clearly this FO needs a single figurehead to keep everyone else focused on the same goal. For all any of us know, Sashi could take more of a role of "quality control" or an "inspector". If the GM wants to bring someone in, Sashi is likely going to have to determine a) that the numbers makes sense and b) that its a player that the HC is on board with or if there's a guy the HC wants to get, that again, the numbers work out, and if the GM has the same opinion or if they have someone better suited in mind.

If Sashi had all this power, then we wouldn't bother with hiring a firm, Jimmy and Dee would sit back, and it wouldn't matter who we hired first, HC or GM.

It didn't sound like he alone would do it all. Haslam distinctly said there'd be much collaboration. Mentioned better communication too. I'm hoping to hear more about Sashi and his personality. He seems well liked. I'd like to hear him talk...SOON!

I know your comment was made early on. I listened to Browns Daily on the drive home today. I think the set-up makes sense. After it was explained a bit, I am on board. Brown is a pretty sharp guy. I have full confidence he is going to listen to the coach and whoever is hired as the "scout" for lack of a better term.

I look at it like this....we have had football guys making the calls for a while now and they have run the team in to the ground. It can't get any worse, and I'll bet it gets better.

As for the coach, these guys don't work in a vacume. Everybody knows who is on everybody elses short list, but in the end for any team, the coach is almost exclusivly a owner pick.

Brown has been in the league for 10 years. It's not like he hasn't been around the game. It won't be all that hard to find a "football" guy who is good at evaluating talent.

As for the selections, I really believe it will be a concensus pick, unlike what Ray Ray and Mike tried to sell. It's pretty obvious those two could never get on the same page about the players on the roster. Bowe is a prime example. Pet wasn't going to activate the guy.

Haslam saw this and had enough and all the while Brown had Haslams ear. I am sure Haslam didn't just hire this guy in to this position without Brown giving his take on players, etc, and being right most of the time.

Time will tell.

There's a business person in charge of EVERY football side in the league.

There is not one team, anywhere, that doesn't have the GM reporting to a business person. None.

Drennan had some info just now. Nine teams are set up like this and have hired coaches before GMs. Can't remember the list but they include KC, SEA and CAR.
They seem to have done well enough.

Think Pittsburgh was on that list as well that Drennan and Geno presented

Maybe we should bring back Savage, Holmgren, or Butch...they were football guys.

I say wait and see who we hire to consult Brown. Lets see what kind of draft they conduct before we go off saying how things suck, because you know what? Things suck about as bad as possible because our "football" guys couldn't manage a darn thing.

So are you saying that Haslam is purposefully creating a set up to run the franchise in to the ground? Sounds counter intuitive to making money...

Or are you saying that Haslam knows he sucks and has no business being an owner, but he won't completely step away and let someone run it for him because he simply can't give up the heated seat in the owner's box that warms his tush just right?

I think Haslam simply said what Sashi Brown's role will be in an awkward way.
Like some other posters, I think SB's role will be the decision maker if there is a stalemate between the GM and HC.
I think Haslam saw what went on between Pettine and Farmer (if indeed there was friction, it's all conjecture at this point), and wanted a guy who could eliminate any animosity between the HC and the GM.

Hahhaahah! Whatever man. You go roll with your theories, I'll just wait and see how it plays out. I have no skin in it no matter which way it goes.

Seems some players are on board with Sashi Brown....

Five-foot tall cardboard boxes stood in front of each Browns player’s locker Monday. The sound of packing tape flying off the roll filled the air as players walked through the room where they spent nearly every day of the past four months one last time before departing for the offseason.
With the Browns parting ways Sunday with general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine, Cleveland players left for their respective offseason destinations understandably uncertain of what’s next.

The frustration of a 3-13 finish lingered with all of them. Offensive lineman Joel Bitonio spoke for many when he said part of the blame for Farmer’s and Pettine’s respective removals fell on the players, too.

“We didn’t win enough games for him. It is not just on the coaches. It is on the players,” Bitonio said. “We didn’t perform well enough. I think the whole thing wasn’t quite good enough, and that is what happens in the NFL.”

Shortly before meeting with reporters, the players gathered for a meeting with owner Jimmy Haslam and newly appointed executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown. For many, it was an introduction to Brown, who held the role as Cleveland’s executive vice president-general counsel since January 2013. It was not for wide receiver Andrew Hawkins, who called Brown “very impressive.”

“I am a fan of Sashi Brown and the way he approaches things,” Hawkins said.
“I think he has the knowledge. If he has been in it long enough to understand everything, then I am all for it. I am on the side of putting Sashi Brown in charge.”

The message to the players was similar to what Haslam delivered in a press conference late Sunday: The Browns leadership is determined to get the franchise turned around after a season that disappointed absolutely everyone inside the Berea facility.

“The fans deserve a winner,” Hawkins said. “We have the best fan base in the National Football League, which is the truth, and they deserve to have a team that reflects the reason why they are so loyal. I think that is his goal and that is everything he laid out for us in the meeting.”
Running back Isaiah Crowell called it a “sad day for everybody” but stressed there’s nothing the players can do now but put themselves in the best position to succeed for whomever is hired to replace Pettine.

“They’re just looking for coaches and (we) have to just come back strong, get our bodies healthy and come back strong ready for next season,” Crowell said.

In his press conference Sunday, Haslam talked up a number of the Browns’ selling points -- great franchise, great fans, lots of draft picks, strong core of young talent -- but conceded that the state of the team was a “several-year rebuilding program.” Tight end Gary Barnidge, who recently signed a contract extension and said Monday he had no regrets in doing so, was confident whoever is hired would turn things around sooner rather than later.
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It’s happened to other teams. You can win the next year. That happens,” Barnidge said. “You just never know what’s going to happen. You just have to come and be ready to go each year.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...d8-4650ecf5d1ce

If hiring a lawyer and businessman to draft and sign players is good, why the HELL are we limiting our coaching search to football coaches? Wouldn't a Judge, or a computer repairman be just as good as long as they are smart? Intelligence is much more important than experience or knowledge of the game. We've tried hiring coaches to be the head coach, since Sashi Brown is such an inspired hire, lets hire an electrician to be the head coach. Works for me. LMAO

You don't get it do you?
None of those choices would work.We have the lawyer,what is needed now is a doctor and an Indian Chief.

No comment, nothing at all, sorry but i can't speak about this, talk to my agent, ask Mac he knows..

When they say something they say it because that's what they believe..

It's also a comment from a player inside the building.. A little different then a comment from a non Browns employee.. Like from the board...

I was eating carrots at my desk and spit them out laughing after reading this.

It doesn't mean I agree with you. Just made me laugh in only the way Spirit can.

Not to be a jerk Mac but thats how I see a lot of your posts..but your entitled to your opinion.



I understand towing the company line...but what the heck do they have to lose by being truthful?? What I read in the posted article didnt feel like a company line...it sounded like a sincere opinion from the players quoted.

I could be wrong..and we will all find out in time now wont we...

How do you know Mac? The reality is you don't. By all accounts we have had some pretty good, well seasoned football guys in charge and they have failed in miserable fashion.

We all know you don't like business people, educated people, people who make money, and people who wear suits. What else?

Maybe just see how this works out, though I get the feeling you will hate it if a Harvard educated, suit wearing, front office type actually improves the team.

To me it's all about this team getting better. I don't care who makes the picks. I wish the guy well.

“I am a fan of Sashi Brown and the way he approaches things,”

Comeon, FBH. You know that sounds like, "Well, I have no idea who the hell this guy is, but I really want to keep my job because I'm a 5'9 WR."

If you want to see a truthful player on the Browns it's Joe Thomas.


Joe Thomas says there was nothing different or new in what owner Jimmy Haslam said to team today re coaching search. "Boilerplate" his word.
https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/684050170640732160

He is entitled to his opinion to...just like Hawkins and every other player..I'm just saying...it didnt read like towing the company line.

And I know this isnt popular but I dont care how Joe Thomas feels...will I listen to his opinion sure..just like I did the players in the article...do I think he is a hall of famer..yep...is his opinion the end all be all? not even close for me...he wants to leave to..well see ya Joe good luck and I hope you win a few more games then you have here.

I think Haslam will figure it out..Honestly I do..am I wrong?? maybe..we are going to find out soon enough.

Me either, I'll leave it at that.. I posted my thoughts on Joe in the Joe Thomas thread.

There were a plethora of proven GM candidates out there. There was a proven President of FO out there(Bill Polian). Haslam didn't even interview ONE of them. But you are right, we have hired football guys in the past to build the roster and it hasn't worked out. So how do we know that having a lawyer draft and sign our players isn't better? Of course by that logic, we have hired football coaches to coach our football team in the past and it didn't work out. So we should look outside the profession to change things up. I say we hire Mike Hargrove as the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Why not? He took the Tribe to two World Series. Who says a football coach has to know anything about the game of football? That's what coordinators are for. Right?

You should have never said that.

What?

Knowing how to coach and selecting players are two different things. To coach, no doubt you need to know the X's and O's. To select good football plasyers.....who knows what you need to know? It is probably why you have 1000 scouts to every coaqch.

I get the feeling that the Haslams are laughing at Brown's fans. "Look, they bought it again! There really is an ass for every seat." HaHa HaHa HaHa!

Who knows..........maybe they will raise ticket prices again after do a market analysis that shows people really believe they are trying and the new plan really will work this time!

I have two schools of thought on this matter:

"Realistic view" aka the view I have now because I've been beaten down so much by this team that I don't think it will ever be fixed and I just wish I were a fan of another team: This will not work. And all we did was limit the pool of people who would be interested in coming into an already bad situation.

Optimistic view:

-We have tried all kinds of structures and each one failed. The only regime that made sense from a "team chemistry" relationship was Shurmur/Heckert/Holmgren (where they failed was Holmgren was not the right person to put this mix together. Too much groupthink in an outdated method.).

-I'm not so sure a GM being the boss of a coach makes sense, the more I think about it. They're distinctly different jobs. What really matters is that they work in perfect harmony. In many ways, the coach is slightly more important than the GM (managing people, motivating people, game planning, etc.) If Sashi Brown's role is creating that harmonious relationship between high performing coach and high performing talent evaluator, and using his knowledge of the cap and the league to help assist, then you have a recipe for success.

-We can call this the "second regime change," however in many ways this will be the first true regime under Haslam without Banner/Lombardi at the helm. One could argue that promoting Farmer and Scheiner was Haslam's way of maintaining continuity despite turnover at the top, but because the existing organization built by Banner/Lombardi was so messed up, it couldn't succeed. On the surface, it appears as though Haslam has identified the person he can trust in the organization to get things done right.

It all depends who we hire as coach and talent evaluator. But if Sashi Brown is who Jim Donovan and Nathan Zegura raved about, then this has a chance to work.

This last line is what I also think. I just never understood why people attacked or were overly defensive of previous coaches and GMs. I don't care who they are, if they are not doing the job, goodbye. Their contracts are guaranteed, so they won't be hurting like most people would. In the words of Al Davis, just win baby.

Simple.....pure stupidity. ...

Are we over-reacting? I don't know although my initial reaction was pretty negative. Perhaps this setup can work but I, like others, forsee difficulties getting a competent person to fill the GM's role. [/quote]

Browns fans over reacting? How could that be?

I think you have to think past GM. We really won't have a GM. Brown is over football operations. He will be over the coach and whoever we bring in to be the talent evaluator, who will be hired after the coach is in place so the coach has a hand in who it is we eventually hire.

I like the set-up. If the coach has his guy in place for evaluations, there shouldn't be a fracture in relationship as we saw with Farmer and Pet. When I say "his" guy, no doubt Brown will have a say in who we hire, but at least the coach has his say. It should provide for a nice working relationship.

Brown isn't going to be the guy making all the picks if his coach and talent guy aren't on board. I think he will more or less be the tie breaker if the people in the draft room can't agree, or decide on who to take.

I pretty much feel the same way. It's an odd setup to be sure but I see Sashi's role as one that would be in place to prevent a Justin Gilbert/Manziel from being drafted or signing a 9 mil dollar bench warmer.

If they get the right coach, and then a GM who can and will work with that coach they will be on the same page. It's ludicrous to think that they will hire polar opposites again.

right?

I think Sashi is more Quality Control than anything else.

I agree.

I also think that Sashi's role once we do have a successful HC and GM combo, is one that we won't hear much about or from down the road.

ESPN.com: Cleveland

Morning Kickoff: These would be welcome quotes from the new Browns executive vice president of football operations

By Tony Grossi

Tuesday, January 5, 2016

Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.


Things I’d like to hear from Sashi Brown, the Browns’ new executive vice president of football operations …

“That ‘Play like a Brown’ thing? I don’t ever want to hear it again.”

“This is 2016. You’re darn right wide receivers are important. You can never have enough of them.”

“You know how in 2012 the Redskins drafted a quarterback in the first round and a quarterback in the fourth round? I wouldn’t be opposed to that.”

“I want my general manager or coach attending the pro day of every relevant quarterback in the draft. I want him interviewing trainers, equipment personnel, coaches, bartenders, professors … anybody who can tell us something about the next Browns quarterback.”

“So I never studied a frame of film. I just know what I saw on most Sundays.”

“Training camp should be football hell, not a summer vacation.”

“Mark it down: I will never trade with the Steelers, the Ravens or the Bengals.”

“Somebody explain to me why we couldn’t draw on the resources of former Browns living in this city?”

“Analytics, smanalytics. I want my team to take the ball to start a game and score a touchdown.”

“I am so tired of one player putting himself above the team. You know what, get me Jerry Jones on the phone.”

“We’re sinking all this money into the facility in Berea. What sense does it make to move training camp to Columbus?”

“We are going to try hard as heck to re-sign Travis Benjamin and Mitchell Schwartz before they get to free agency.”

“Hello, Nike. What were you thinking? Can we try it again?”

“I know centers are important, but I think we can find one later in the draft, thank you.”

“I never said we can’t go from three wins to 13 wins. That was the owner.”

“You want to trade jerseys with a player from another team? Do it at the Pro Bowl.”

“Who in this building is in charge of the Ring of Honor? Why can’t we put Blanton Collier and Gary Collins in, already?”

“Sorry, Jimmy, I can’t go along with that.”

YES!!!!