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so what you're saying is we won't be picking either of them.

Either or any?

any

either of the ones that are left when we pick

The only way Goff isn't on our team is if they determine Lynch is better or there is a trade up.

My guess is that the new coach and GM will be asked extensive questions about both QBs during the interview process.

Picking a PAC12 QB scares me

Why?

There is a lot that will happen between now and the draft. With Mack, Schwartz, and possibly Thomas out the door, OT may be high on our shopping list too.

I heard that we have O'Neil Cousins on speed dial for the start of free agency.

Wow!

So what LATER round QBs do you experts like? Mayfield? Hogan? Doughty? Who??

I have no doubt we WILL take a QB w/ our first, but I would still rather not . . .

Eli Apple declared. The CB pool is looking better.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/

The talent exodus continues at Ohio State, where cornerback Eli Apple became the sixth player to declare for the NFL draft with eligibility left. Apple was the BattleFrog Fiesta Bowl defensive MVP on Friday, and he's now the fourth player on that side of the ball to leave the Buckeyes early to move on to the NFL.

Look At Goff stats vs the better teams in the PAC 12 (Utah, USC ,Ucla, Oregon and Stanford eye opener very below average

Bills will gobble him up at 18 they need CB bad

The UTAH game is an outlier.

UCLA = 295 yards, 60.4%, 3 TDS / 0 INTS
USC = 277 yards, 74.2%, 2 TDS / 2 INTS
OREGON = 329 yards, 43.9% 2 TDS / 1 INTS
STANFORD = 386 yards, 68.5%, 2 TDS / 0 INTS

That is below average to you?

All losses

So it's his fault his defenses got destroyed? I guess the only QBs we should look at have to be from Ohio State or Alabama.

Jalin Marshall is deciding to go pro. I actually have his phone number and am considering sending him a text to get his ass back in school. Enjoy the third round money when you could have held out for 2nd.

Goff critics, this might help explain the enthusiasm of those of us who see him as a good NFL prospect.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/11/21/9744146/2016-nfl-draft-jared-goff-scouting-report

dude can't throw the ball past 30 yards without losing accuracy and arm strength. that is not a first round QB. That does not work on Lake Erie

in his scouting report they even say he is super thin and lean with a noodle arm in the NFL. Colt McCoy 2.0


His ability to extend the play and feast on intermediate routes is why he's so deadly to defenses. That doesn't exist from in the NFL because the LB's are too fast.


He can make NFL-level deep throws, but it's something he'll need to work on during the pre-draft season.


Goff has average arm strength. He's a pretty lean guy, so hopefully as he gets stronger and fills out his frame he can develop some better deep throws.He's hit or miss with throws longer than thirty yards.

that doesn't translate to the NFL

Defense is a dirty word in the PAC 12.

Goff lacks arm strength and makes poor decisions because he forces the ball into coverage. That is a terrible, terrible combination that will not work in the NFL.

I knew this would happen. A California guy doesn't fit the stereotype of being a big strong gunslinger. I'm convinced a lot of you would have passed on Aaron Rodgers coming out of college.

I had to reread this because I thought you were talking about Manziel.

I threw a fit when we passed on Rodgers. you can look through the archives. I was so excited when I thought we were going to get him... I thought our team had a QB for the next 10 years.

Goff is not Rodgers. he doesn't have 1/2 the arm.

Those throwing lanes won't be there. Those extension of plays won't be there. Everyone busts on Johnny for being frail... this dude is thin.
lastly... he is not accurate past 30 yards. What's going to happen when the winds get going in the north?

if I said that is what I wanted in a QB... I'd get laughed off the board.

That's why he won't translate to the NFL.

Manziel has a pretty big arm. Goff does not have his arm.

Manziel has a weak arm. Are we watching the same guy? Also, ask Packer fans, they'll tell you Rodgers arm wasn't very strong coming out of college.

What are you even talking about?

Goff had one of the best deep ball percentages in the college:



https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...in-the-country/



https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/05/why-cals-jared-goff-is-our-no-1-qb/

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/s...-222767991.html

The subject of Rodgers' arm strength is something Tedford loves to talk about. He pulls out a tape of Rodgers' 2005 pro day workout at Cal, which is just across the San Francisco Bay from Candlestick Park where Rodgers and the Packers will take on the 49ers in a regular-season opener at 3:25 p.m. Sunday.

He still marvels at the way he fired the ball around the field throwing "lasers."


and here is a scouting report for verification
http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/3032-aaron-rodgers-2005-scouts-inc-scouting-report/



(QB) Aaron Rodgers - CALIFORNIA (6'2", 223, 4.71)
Strengths: He has outstanding arm strength. Has one of the strongest arms in this year's quarterback class. Shows the ability to make all the necessary throws in the NFL. Has great zip on his deep out route and shows the ability to fit the ball into tight spots. He has terrific fundamentals and mechanics. Also has very good touch and timing. Shows the consistent ability to lay the ball in between the linebackers and safeties in coverage. Impressive deep accuracy. Will also show the ability to take some velocity off of his underneath throws.


my work here is done...

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/...rength-weakness

The first thing that stands out to me is his arm strength, or lack thereof. In general, his passes have very little velocity on them, lacking a tight spiral, and the ball often tends to nosedive short of targets. This is incredibly worrying because it limits what he is physically capable of doing as a passer in the NFL. "


here is more:

Does Jared Goff have what it takes above the shoulders to make up for everything lacking below?

The simple answer is no.

Goff is not incapable of processing information as a quarterback, but his ability to do so is not nearly on par with quarterbacks to come out recently with similar arm abilities such as Teddy Bridgewater or even Johnny Manziel. Goff is asked to run a very simple offense at Cal, often throwing short passes in the flats, the shallow middle or hitting open windows down the field. It is important to not take these criticisms seriously in a vacuum though, as I will never discredit a quarterback for hitting open spaces down the field, as Marcus Mariota did countless times at Oregon. However, what I do worry about is what happens when those windows begin to tighten and close. As for Mariota, a quarterback running a more complicated, albeit still "simple" offense, he had very strong games against more athletic defenses such as Ohio State, Washington, UCLA and Stanford, displaying the ability to hit "NFL windows" and function outside the "simplicity" of Oregon's scheme. The story is... different with Jared Goff. In his last games against UCLA, Stanford, Utah and Washington (which would be the most talented defenses he's faced recently), Goff completed under 57% of his passes throwing 8 touchdowns versus 8 interceptions with two of those touchdowns coming in garbage time against UCLA. What consistently happens against these better defenses is that as space shrinks downfield, Goff opts to dink and dunk on defenses rather than threaten downfield.

When he is forced to throw downfield against these teams, due to falling very far behind, the results often yielded are negative. He does not have the arm strength to threaten downfield nor does he anticipate or process information well enough to compensate.

On top of those negatives he possesses as a pure passer, he is incredibly inconsistent under pressure, sometimes thriving and sometimes crumbling.


He has Brian Hoyer/McCoy scouting report after scouting report written all over him.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-cals-jared-goff/

How did the Browns not draft him again? Winslow had who throwing to him? Garcia possibly? Oh man. Him sliding all the way to the 24th pick is a one of those rare moments that happen every thousands of years.

I'm still vexed over that draft and Big Ben's.

I wonder what it is about his personality that put so many people off? Mike Nolan hated him when he brought him in at San Fran. I mean, I've always thought he was a funny guy. Maybe the shots at Russell Wilson wasn't PC, but eh. I enjoy a nice barb.

my bottom line of Goff is pretty simple

1. if he was in last year's draft he would have been taken in the 3rd round.

2. He needs to go to a team that will let him sit for 2 or 3 years... fill out and work out his arms and legs and core. He needs to live in the weight room more than Brady Quinn did. After that, he may have a chance. That is probably why Dallas has been checking him out. They have Romo. They can get by with a Qb on the bench in the first ofr 7th round and their fans will accept it.


3. he doesn't have the ability to consistently make NFL throws this year. He can make great college throws but it's very few and far between where he makes NFL throws longer than 10-15 yards.

Except if you ignore the fact that he was the best deep ball passer in college this year.

You and your stinkin facts!

I have already read this scouting report. It was released before the season. Is it possible Goff has improved? (Yes.)

Also, when pressured:



https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...in-the-country/

So Sup doesn't have any statistical evidence to support his claim, but instead the opinions of some bloggers I've never heard of?

The National Football Post guy is Greg Gabriel, who used to be the scouting director for the Bears. But the scouting report was released on September 20th, 2015. Goff has improved since then.

I don't like Pro Football Focus's grading system, but their stats are valuable. Knowing that he is more accurate when pressured than anyone is important. Knowing that he is a great deep ball thrower is important.

You are making things up now.

If we're becoming more into analytics, then we're definitely going to choose Bosa or Goff.