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And when I say hand keys over - I mean Jimmy has ZERO input on anything to do with anything. Not the structure, not the FO and not the players.

Yep - I think that would interest a lot more quality people to run the team compared to Dee and Jimmy interviewing and being part of this set up where the GM has no power and the HC they seem to want needs to be weak and follow direction . . .

I'm sure you won't be to upset, but I disagree!!!

It is not totally about the money. Besides Saban isn't a spring chicken. He is making millions controlling is own fate. I don't think Haslam has enough to convince Saban to leave. Saban is about to retire having his name next to Bear Bryant. Why would he even think of tarnishing that to coach the Browns? It would be a major step down in my opinion.

Saban wouldn't be my #1 choice. I'd like to get Sean Payton in here or Hue Jackson ... my top 2 choices hands down. Neither will be here under the set up we are organizing. The analytics guys doesn't really worry me as much as Sahsi - I hear and read a ton of good to great things about Sashi... how much is true ? Anyone's guess. But he's never been in this position before - and I just think you got to be a football guy in order to manage the roster and have final say over your GM.

I really wish we could hire a PROVEN coach that brings instant credibility and experience with success (Coughlin, Payton, Shanahan, etc) ... but that won't happen.

It'll be a first-time HC who was a coordinator somewhere ... like always

I'll just say that the way you cut those words from my post takes it out of context making it sound like I said something I didn't. I know it wasn't malicious, but someone who didn't read my post, because they think I suck, but did read yours, because they think you're ok, gets the wrong idea of what I really said and now think I suck even more.

Also, yeah, it could turn into that "long A" thing in a a hurry. Let's hope it doesn't.

J/C and just an observation from me. I'm encouraged to see a slew of interviews scheduled this time around for personnel that are also desired for other franchises. Did that happen last time out? My recollection is hazy on these things but it felt like we "settled" for Pett; some called him 6th choice. I also got this nagging recollection that Gase even refused to even chat with the Browns on the last go round and now he's in.

This could mean a couple of things. Maybe the position isn't as toxic as first thought and the structure might be appealing/intriguing to some freakin genius maniac. Or maybe we are being used as leverage Either way, it seems that we are in the mix here.

Belichick has employed a "Research Director", a guy named Ernie Adams, since 2000. Adams has a football background, worked with and for BB as far back as the 80's with the Giants. Adams uses mathematical analyses to evaluate outcomes on things like the Pats' 2-pt conversion chart, when to go for it on 4th down, etc. He also helps the scouting dept build their draft board. So, seeing as how the Patriots have used an analytics model - to some degree - for 16 years, with some success (4 SB rings) - it would figure that Patricia, as well as McDaniels would be a good fit in the Browns' new framework. Nick Caserio, BB's player personnel guy might also be a good fit for the GM position. The good thing about Patricia / McDaniels as HC, paired with Caserio at GM is that they have a long standing work relationship, so would be less likely to be at loggerheads like Pettine and Farmer were.

After reading what BB had to say about Patricia, he is currently the one I hope gets the job.
Wish he could bring Sheard back here with him.

what do you guys think of hiring Josh Mcdaniels Head Coach and then making a trade for Jimmy Garoppolo? I think we still draft a QB but maybe do it in later rounds instead of early. Just a thought.

Welcome to the board and that is a good thought. I think McDaniels has learned from his mistakes in Denver and he is one of the brightest offensive minds in the entire NFL.

Jimmy G is a good prospect. I doubt if NE will trade him, though.

Anyway........nice thoughts, Young.

Good idea. Question: What draft picks would you be willing to give up for Garappolo?

What is the track history of the Qb's that the Patriots have let go or traded away in the past .... Hmmmmm ? If Garappolo is any good they aren't letting him go ... if they are willing to let him go, I don't want him. Sort of a Groucho sort of deal !

I also want no part of McDaniels - he was a disaster in Denver. I'd much prefer Gase who has improved the players he's been associated with. I guess Gase might be 3rd on my wish list - 4th would be Doug Maronne.

Thanks guys. I know it would probably take some giving to get the Pats to let go of Jimmy. I would hope maybe a second or third rounder packaged with someone who I would hate to lose but may not be around much longer anyhow would be a Joe Thomas. Then that would make us have to think OL a lot sooner in the draft but would mean we could potentially have a decent answer at the QB spot who would know Mcdaniel's system.

we can say the same thing about past patriots Coords getting HC positions.

it just hasnt worked.

If this scenario plays out do they retain Flip and what kind of defense would be in play. With that being said if it's a 3-4 do you go with Bosa at #2 if Tunsil goes #1 to Tennessee?

Hue Jackson would be the best guy for the Browns. He has expereince working in a chaotic organization. He knows how to get the most out of people and he would probably bring in a DC to run the 4-3 lol All wins 9in my book.

Now with what we are implementing above the coach. You really need a coach that will work extremely well with Depodesta. If this has any chance to work those 2 really have to work well.

I have been a fan of McDermit also. The guy has great anticipation for what another team is gonna do.

Just because of past success(lol), I'd rather not see another coordinator, but that is what we will probably end up with as a coach. The coordinators we have ended up with, are just that, coordinators, not coaches. Please!! Let's get our 1st or 2nd choice, not the nth choice!!!

I know what kind of coach I do not want to see, is the so-called players coach!

From everything iv read the coaches we are interviewing are
Adam Gase oc Bears
Sean McDermot dc Panthers
Matt Patricia dc Patriots
Hue Jackson oc Bengals
Doug Morrone oline,asst head coach Jaguars
Teryl Austin dc Lions
Paul Guenther dc Bengals
Jerome Henderson db coach Cowboys

Off that list i would like Doug Morrone if he can bring Jim Schwartz as dc.

I think I'd take Gimli given that list. Hue Jackson is just too crazy to me.

I would trade high 2nd or a low 1st for him like I originally said to do when I wanted us to draft him instead of Manziel. It might take a high first to nab him now though because he has looked pretty good when given a chance to play. Honestly, I think Bill plans to have him be Brady's successor and won't touch a trade for him at all.

I disagree.

A players coach doesn't have to mean a pushover, but one thing that Tom Coghlin made in his going away presser is that success in the NFL is absolutely founded upon relationships. I want a head coach who can establish relationships with his players, engendering loyalty and "buy in".

I definitely want a head coach who can establish those strong relationships, with his players, and the coaches under his leadership.

Jimmy G is heir apparent to Tom Brady, if I were him I'd stay put unless BB ships him.

I wouldn't be comfortable trading more than a 3rd rounder for him and I would doubt NE would go for that.

So was Ryan Mallett.

Unless Tom was just trolling Peyton Manning, Brady plans to play for another 4-6 years. And I think he's serious (and can do it with that quick release and offense).

Jimmy G won't want to waste the prime years of his career holding a clipboard. Plus, the Pats are willing to trade their backup QB for picks.

So was Hoyer

Tom Brady is done in a year or two ...tops. Mark it down.

What do you base this on?

To be fair, they are in the extremely weak AFCS, and Weeden actually won his 2 games for them. (1 he came in when they were behind, and brought them back for the win, and the other was the start he won)

If it ends up being one of these guys - I think I can be okay with it. I don't know much at all about Henderson - Guenther - Austin and McDermot .... Others I'd be okay with. I am kind of warming to the idea of Maronne - 2nd time HC and he had a fair stint during is first go round at the Bills.

Judging by the stats you just gave...seems like whole lot of other people had something to do with them getting to the playoffs...just saying.

I agree, Huge mistake.

I dont..I'd take old ass McCown over Hoyer.

I wouldn't, I think they can and will get one better than both of them if they know what they're looking for.