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I have a different view. Most colleges red-shirt their freshman quarterback, in part because they probably have good upperclassmen, but also to give them a year to absorb the difference between the HS football and college football. I see the jump from college to pro as at least as big. In recent years there have been several instances where 1st year QBs have started and done well, but I still think those are the exceptions. We have McCown who has proven to be a competent starter and a good guy to teach and hold the position while a rookie gets indoctrinated into the NFL. It may not be for a whole season, but I believe it is best for a rookie to watch an experienced pro do the prep and study required of an NFL QB, and to watch how he runs the game from the sideline with a coach by his side.

Who was a bigger "project" than Mariota? He did fine his rookie year.

I know, our chances of winning the 2016 super bowl would be so much better if we start josh mccown.

If you draft a QB and hope him to be the guy, you have to play him and let him grow. Did we learn nothing this season? Heck even Mike Pettine was so fond of the "there's no substitute for live reps."

If we draft anyone in rounds 3-4, I assume that means we think they will be good.

Then play them.

I don't care if its Jared Goff, Cardale Jones, or Dak Prescott*.

Play him, let him grow with the team.

* - I really like the idea of Prescott in the 3-4th round. Grab a WR at 32 (or earlier) and let them grow together.

Newsflash: With spread offenses taking over, you're going to have a bunch of more projects coming out.

If you are counting on a guy that we draft this year to win this year, just write him off right now and talk about which QB we draft in 2017 or 2018.

If you want to win long term, get a coach that will spend this season teaching good habits and fundamentals to whoever we draft and let him play a bit in garbage time and the end of the season if he looks like he has promise.

We are not a QB away from the playoffs let alone the Superbowl. Don't force a rookie with bad habits on the field before he is ready.

I completely disagree with you.

That's fine, most do. It doesn't make it less right. If there were a Luck or Stafford or Cutler in this draft it might be different.

Just dumping even more on kid that has to learn basic things and put him out there against NFL speed with fans wanting wins right away is a recipe for disaster.

Apparently not, we don't even know who we have yet and everyone is wanting to start him.

QB is not RB or any other position in football. There is too much to process and those live reps equal bad habits if the kid doesn't have good habits going in. They also equal extra surgeries because QB's that aren't ready are usually put in the hospital before they figure it out on the job.

Vernon Adams QB Oregon is having a nice East-West Shrine Game.

Yeah he looks really good. I just wish he was a little bigger.

You quoted someone who was talking about playing a young QB..

And used that quote to talk about not playing them..

Clever.

This is only true if you believe that a QB cannot get better during the season. Which is a crazy requisite for this theory to work. Which it doesn't, in reality. Because, according to this, every starting QB sans Tom Brady and Carson Palmer should suck. As they are all day 1, rookie starters. However, they do not. I know we live in a rather Academic World, but we cannot forget that: Experience is the greatest teacher.

A QB needs to play if he wants to get better quick. Why would we not want our starting QB to develop quickly?

I did agree with him though, fans of this team never learn.

For this to come true things need to happen.

1) We need to reach for a QB. (which we will)
2) He'll need to be a project. (which he will be)
3) You guys will demand that we start he too early. (which you will)
4) You'll think he turn everything around right away. (which you will)
5) He'll fail because he was thrown in too early. (which he will)
6) We'll rinse and repeat in 2017.(which we will)

If you really really want to develop a QB for the future. You'll let him develop for a year and learn behind a vet. You don't want that though, you want to win now.

Thinking that a QB that hasn't even played in a Pro system learns best by being thrown out on the field and being pounded by 300 lb guys is beyond stupid.

IF RG3 sat a bit and learned how to make Pro Style reads before he got hurt, he might still be starting right now. They may have won a couple more games in the short run, but they traded a lot of picks for a guy they are throwing into the scrapyard now.

You are stating this like it is fact. It is not.

BTW Tom Brady sat until Drew Bledsoe got hurt and Carson Palmer sat an entire season behind Kitna.

It's more than fact. It's tradition here.

No. That the best thing for a QB is to sit.

Using a blanket statement like that makes it seem like always QBs will fail if they start right away. That is simply not true.

As with most things in football (and in life), this should be looked on a case by case basis. There are obviously some QBs that shout sit, there are others who should not.

If we draft either Goff or Lynch, I think they should star right away, Cook as well..

Wentz you'd have to see where he's at as it gets closer and make a decision on him.

Anyone else, the argument gets harder to make, which is why I'm interested in very few other QBs.

Though I really do like Prescott, and would argue that Hue could cook up a gameplan smart enough for him to start right away, assuming he can handle the playbook.

QBs got started early be for because they were making 50 million guaranteed, and teams needed the return on investment sooner.. that idea is over..

This isnt throwing Couch to the wolves on an expansion team anymore.. we are not going to "ruin" a QB by pmaying him, IMO if you actually started him, and named him THE GUY (See Oakland: Carr) I think it'd be better for him..

We didnt "ruin" Quinn, McCoy, and Weeden.. They just weren't any good..

These guys are better than them..

Etymology[edit]
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I see your fantasy, never will happen, scenario and propose my own:

1) Draft Goff
2) Dump him in nuclear HGH for 3 months and then take him out
3) ?????????
4) WIN THE SUPER BOWL!



This is really the only basis for your argument. But if we use past history (Despite completely different scenarios each time, including this time) to guess (and that's being nice) the future then the Browns will never even go to a Super Bowl. So what's the point?

RG3's problem wasn't that he didn't sit, it was that the Shanny's literally ran him into the ground. And then Mike Zimmer peed on him.

How about this for an argument: This year's crop of QBs are pathetic. Some of you are conditioned to talk about QBs every year and then you overrate guys each year. I remember people wanting Gino Smith and EJ Manuel a few years ago.

I said all these guys are projects and should sit.

A guy like Luck can jump in right away because he had decent mechanics and could make pro style reads.

Show me a Luck in this draft.

All I see is spread and small school QB's and QB's with footwork bad enough that their teams played em in shotgun.

I'm sorry, man. You're not going to find another Luck. It's just not going to occur. But can you find a Flacco, Big Ben, Russ, Brees, Russell Wilson or a top quality, immediate starter? These guys do exist. QBs can be successful starting right away. That's why scouting is so important. To find them.

Better than your scenario...

1) Draft Goff at #2 unless somehow you could trade up to #1 for him.

2)Start a small school spread QB week 1 and expect Superbowl

3) Demand we start him again after he gets out of the hospital still thinking superbowl.

4) Cut the bum when we go 2-14 because "He just looks lost" to you.

5) Find your next QB savior in the 2017 draft

RG3 was another spread QB that couldn't make NFL reads. They threw him in because he could run around a lot and win them an extra couple of games. He got hurt and couldn't run around anymore. Still can't make NFL reads. He could have learned that on the sidelines.

Lets take Goff for example...

Do you think he can learn 3 and 5 step drops on the sidelines?
Could he learn read progressions?
How about better throwing mechanics?

Wouldn't it nice if he got all of those things down pat so he wasn't thinking about that instead of where the rush was coming from when you threw him in?

I know I'm out-numbered here, but right is still right.

Goff doesn't come from a small school or a spread offense. Do you even know who we're talking about?

I guess you could argue about how big Cal is, but that is a spread offense.

General thoughts watching highlight videos..(I'm no draft guru either)

Goff
Has those Peyton Manning pitter patter feet going..
Good deep ball, doesnt seem to float.
Good mobility/escapability
Needs to add weight or he may he broken.

Lynch
Dude is huge.
Also super athletic.
Rocket for an arm, good zip and deep ball.
Worried he may have a little DA in him, touch passes (highlight vid) seemed high or still "too fast"

Wentz
Quick (to me) release (all three had seemingly quick releases, again, to me)
Good anticipation on throws
Knowing the level of competition, I dont k ow how to gauge his athletic ability. Compared to everyone else it looks "easy" for him..

Goff - Take a look at pictures of him as a freshman and sophomore. He is physically maturing. He still has a good ways to go but this is making progress. I love love love what I hear about his off field prep work. If his body continues to mature and he improves his accuracy, sky is the limit. Reminds me a Tom Brady early in Brady's career. The potential is certainly there but remember, Brady wasn't drafted until round 6.

Lynch - Love his accuracy especially on the deep ball but no issues on his shorter passes. Excellent vision IMO. My issue with Lynch is that he didn't "grow up a Qb", He was converted as a HS senior. And then Memphis ran this ridiculous (and not in a good way) offense. How long will it take him to understand the position? I see potential to turn into Cam Newton. Unfortunately he will be Brock Osweiller for the next 3-5 years.

Wentz - Agree on everything you said. Easily #1 overall if he had performed like he did in a Power 5 conference. But he didn't. How many of those completions that he zips into a tight window end up knocked down or turned into a pick 6? Will he be able to adjust to the speed difference in the NFL? A question on every player, just that much more difficult to answer for him. Will he be a Flacco story from a small school? (A lot of people use Big Ben as a small school story but the MAC is a universe higher in competition than what Wentz faced.) Odds are against him.

Anyone of these COULD become a great NFL Qb. Any and possible even all 3 could be total flops.

Most likely Qb's in this draft to be at least solid? Goff and Cook. Solid meaning Kirk Cousins level.

For a QB, I don't know if the conference makes as much a difference as it does for other positions.

If the throws are there, the throws are there. You also have to consider his receivers aren't as good as in a top conference, so they aren't getting much more seperation from the guys covering them then do the guys in the big conferences, so to me it is all relative.

I think Deputy has a great understanding of the game and I think it might be wise for some of you to actually listen to what he has to say rather than trying to make him look bad.

Hats of to ya Vers ; That was nicely said !

There's always a chance, but we need quite a few parts this year. The coaches are not who I worry about. I'd doubt Hue would start a rookie before he's ready without pressure. What I worry about are the fans putting out enough pressure that Haslam tells Hue to start him. Or that Haslam has already put that pressure on him.

The guys that think that a first year QB learns best on the field never played the QB position. Even for the few guys that succeeded when starting year one, it wasn't easier. It was harder. There are too many things they can learn off the field to be on the field.

Fans and owners expect quick results though.

Some of you are still stuck in the past.

It does not matter one lick if you sit or not. If you have talent, and are willing to learn, then the QB will be fine.

The idea of playing a QB ruining a QB is asinine

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...rterback-050715

Here's some analytics. The article is pretty long, but a good read. I posted only part of it below.

I don't know, vers. There's just something about dd. I can't really put my finger on it, but everytime I see 1 of his posts I just can't help but think of Barney Fife........