DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon files application for reinstatement from league suspension

You really want your brand spanking new wide receiver watching meathead to see how it's done? You want to cut a wide receiver that IS a good teammate, DOES put the work it, so we can keep meat on the roster?

I believe distraction kills. I believe bad apples can spoil a team. IF we were a veteran team with a coach like Belichick then perhaps meathead might be worth a tryout. That's what it would be. He'd be trying out and he BETTER be in STELLAR shape. Unfortunately we AREN'T a veteran team with longstanding leadership in the locker room and a hall of fame coach. We are just starting out. Again. NOW is the time to rid ourselves of any former mistakes. Start anew. get all our little ducks in a row.If you're not part of the solution your part of the.... oh to hell with it, you're GONE. That's my opinion anyway. Meathead has disappointed the fans over and over again. No reason to let him do it again. I sure wouldn't cut a serviceable player for a guy that will almost certainly screw up again.

You've just dated yourself.
At least half these posters prob have no idea what a Big Bambu is... and TRULY won't get the joke if they learned about it from a CD....

a friend of mine has one in mint condition.. its incredible

you nailed it...

that was one hell of a paper

Dave's not here.

I sense your implication is that you want them to get the crap together while still on our team, and I am completely in agreement with you there. We have time and pain and sweat invested in these guys and if it somehow pays off then that's great.

To say I have doubts that Gordon will be able to stay in the league if he gets reinstated is an understatement. Haven't heard anything about him for a while but not sure that means anything other than he has not been in the league. He was able to apply for reinstatement so maybe that means he did what he needed to do. He's done that before, though, stay clean long enough to get back to playing. Then he falls off the path.

JFF almost has the same pattern, though the transgressions seem less. After an embarrassing rookie year he put forth an effort to learn the game and looked better. Then he had a transgression. Took his punishment, toed the line and got back in good graces. Once there, he crossed the line again.

Both of these guys is like wash, rinse, repeat. Once things seem like they are going OK, back to stupid.

JG wants reinstatement....he has earned the right, so I'm happy for him....I've advocated cutting him, trading him because he isn't/hasn't been trustworthy...a talented meathead...I love WE, the Browns, suspended him AND cost him another year playing for us...added leverage. Agree with other posters, he has exceptional talent...his peers put him at 14 best in league, better than Thomas...I want the Browns to get value for him, he can go or stay, I don't care...hope Hue gets All Pro season out of him....or...someone will give us a second or third or more, because THEY can handle him. 2cents on JF...QBs held to higher standard...Brady, Manning, Wilson, do they make NEWS off the field...JF has some talent, but I don't want him on the team...he has demons and you can't have your QB do the stuff he's done and survive...cut or get a six pack for the guys NOT under league watch and let him go to Dallas where he wants to be.....lastly, I've seen Browns as NFL Champions...like everyone else, would love to see SB championship....GO Browns!!!!

He has earned the right to "apply" for reinstatement. The league will decide whether he's earned the right to "be" reinstated.

JC

Josh Gordon IS as Josh Gordon does... It's not just about the off the field b.s. either. He looks disengaged at times, takes plays off, doesn't block when he's supposed to, doesn't finish routes... looks entirely clueless at times. Combine that with not knowing (or caring to understand) the playbook and he's a real headcase.

I'm hopeful that this extended absence has made him reevaluate his life. He's going to have to put his head down and WORK. His past is a combination of DUMB and the NFL making him a poster child. To reverse that - he has no choice but to stay clean and earn the trust of his teammates and coaches. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. For that reason, there's no reason (for me) not to be excited. With all the letdowns from this organization, living in the past does nobody any favors.

Clean slate... Upside? Superstar. Realistic thinking? Solid WR that requires a lot of attention from defenses. Downside? How is there really any downside at this point? He's under contract and has rare physical talent. Johnny's charades cause distraction, it's all over the news and bleeds through the locker room AND he plays a position where he is expected to be a leader. Josh does any of these things and he's GONE. If this happens, is there really anybody saying "damn, we could have kept roster spot #54"?

Hue needs to get him into camp, run him through the wringer, and probably be his "daddy" to a certain extent. A small price if he gets on the field in September with his head screwed on straight.

That about sums it up.

Wait a minute Spiritbro, didn't you read what Oober was saying?

He said, we shouldn'lt depend on Gordon and I think about any one with a brain knows and understands that. But Draft your stud WR and if,,,,,,,IF, Gordon does somehow find a way to fix his issues, you have two studs. Tell me again what's wrong with that?

If Gordon doesn't have his head on straight, trade him. Someone will give you something for him.

So all your talk of a bad apple etc etc, don't mean a thing if the kid fixes himself.

I remember back then my neighbor from across the street rolled one with that paper. It was one hell of a joint! Talk about drug seduction at an early age.

My hopes are that Hue helps Josh, like he helped Chad.

I remember when my buddy was supposed to bring his to our grad party and decided he didn't want to part with it... I had to use what we then called "typing paper". I taped it with scotch tape. The next morning we tore apart the "roach" and rolled 12 fatties.

Chad Johnson never had the issues that Gordon has/had.

If Dolphins coach Joe Philbin didn’t like Chad Johnson’s language, he’s definitely not going to like this.

According to Davie (Fla.) Police Department captain Dale Engle, Johnson was arrested Saturday night on domestic violence charges, per the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

According to the report, Johnson was arrested after an incident involving his new wife, Evelyn Lozada. He allegedly head-butted her during an argument in his car. They were married on July 4.

When police arrived at the scene, Lozada had lacerations on her forehead. link

Chad Johnson has gotten himself into legal trouble again.

The former six-time NFL Pro Bowl wide receiver has a warrant out for his arrest after skipping an arraignment in Pembroke Pines, Florida for driving with a suspended license, TMZ Sports has learned. Johnson was reportedly cited for the offense in May, before a warrant was issued nearly a month ago. link

That was when he was on the Dolphins and went full nutso. I guess one could argue that he couldn't survive without Hue's influence.

(Chad Johnson was successful both before and after Jackson was with the Bengals.)

True, I just liked what Chad said about Hue. And that it might carry over to Josh.

FWIW, Chad did a radio interview essentially saying Hue was the primary reason for focusing on football and staying on the straight and narrow. I don't think it was about being successful or not on the football field regarding stats, rather, making it more a priority and honing the craft to be the best he could be.

There is definitely a chance that Jackson can help Gordon.

I will be pretty impressed if Gordon went a whole year passing tests. That will show maturity and a willingness to change his behavior.

Yeah it's a good time to wrap up the JF and Josh Gorgon package for shipment to Dallas.

Unless he has broken some other law/rule that we do not know about.. what do you base that decision on? Did he help enough old ladies across the street? Visit enough youth centers? Wash Goodell's car enough?

If you are suspended for X amount of time, and during that time you have no other offenses, then you should be allowed to play... this circus about "earning the right to play again" and "applying for reinstatement" is a bunch of crap.

Perhaps that is his point?

If true, then there is really no need to apply.

don't think josh would lie

I guess my point is that there is a lot we don't know, DC.

There's a plethora of things that I have no clue about, such as:

--did he attend the self-help group meetings?

--what were the results of his diagnostic findings?

--how many times was he tested while under suspension?

--did he ever miss a test for any reason?

--did he attend all counseling sessions?

--what were the results of periodic progress reports?

--what exactly were his treatment recommendations and did he follow them?

I think Pit is right to say that we really don't know if he will be reinstated or not?

I guess we aren't that far apart then... My point was that there should not be anything subjective to this process.

If he can go down through your list and say "check, check, check" and everything was done correctly based on the conditions of his suspension, then there should be no questions.

and you and I don't have a need to know. If the powers that make those decisions decide he's to be allowed to play, then I'm sure that was all taken into consideration.

I'll wait for them to decide.

Did I say I have a right to know? Why so combative?

If he were suspended for a certain amount of time, I believe you would be correct. However, that is most certainly not the case here. Maybe you have been misled or misinformed.

Gordon is on an "indefinite ban". There is no time limit per say. No certain amount of time per say. It's an "indefinite suspension".

One year is the earliest he can ask for permission to be reinstated.

I'm certainly not saying that he won't be reinstated, but there's certainly no guarantee or requirement for the NFL to grant reinstatement of an indefinite ban.

So I believe IF this had been a single season suspension, your assertion may be correct. That is if there aren't factors we are unaware of as Vers pointed out. But this was not a 16 game or single season suspension. This was an indefinite ban from the league. The minimum time is a year.

Fair enough, thank you for the answer.. yes, I had in deed forgot that this was an indefinite suspension.

However, it still seems like there should be parameters that, if met, would mean he could be reinstated and, if not met, would mean he can't.

I just don't like the whole subjective cloak and dagger process. It kind of reminds me of fraternity guys sitting around at pledge time determining who is cool enough to hang out with them.

DC..........I agree w/you in that the stipulations were either met--or not--met.........but, I guess my point is that we have no idea if they were met or not met.......so, as of right now, it's hard to say what the NFL will decide.

Put it this way, Josh has been dishonest before when describing what happened or didn't happen.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-brow...r-reinstatement

In the above video Rapoport says that, "All indications are that Josh Gordon is on track for reinstatement."

If you mean the NFL process where they can hold the fate of an NFL player in their hands and base such decisions on their feelings and their whims, I agree with you.

It's that precise factor that creates doubt about what lies ahead on the future of Gordon's reinstatement. I've spoke out many times over the years about the way many NFL rules are so vaguely written that allows the NFL to wield their power over the players by such undefined guidelines.

I'm certainly not a fan of it.

Given the NFL's total inability to keep a secret, I'm assuming that if Gordon had gone astray of any of his requirements, that we would know already.. I guess I could be wrong.

Yup, that's pretty much what I mean.


I could be more a fan of it if you at least had a small diverse panel wielding the power.. a former player, a former team executive, somebody with a law background, etc... instead of ONE GUY, with all of the power.

No, his issues were more of the Johnny Manziel type, always his face in the media above the team.

I believe it would be beneficial if we considered that it was people with law degrees who set this entire process up in the first place.

I believe that many moons ago, football set theirs up based on the old baseball model, which wanted a very powerful commish. I heard the story once but it had something to do with a recent baseball scandal that they set it up that way... and it was working, so football used that as a template...

That is also why I'm giving the person with the law background just one of 3 votes.